So, if our DPS is the new tier1 dps,lets help to balance the others!

[Superwize]

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[Superwize]

Don't look at my screen name, I choosed it long time ago, before starting beeing a ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Fennir]

I didn't need to see your screenname to know you're an idiot.  You're not helping.  In fact you may be hurting.  Please stop.<div></div>

[Hiro]

<div></div>If you read the post and not just the first few sentences you would have noticed that SoE WANTS to stop health inflation. if you make rangers to where they are supposed to be and mages back on the top you will have to adjust the health of every mob in the game causing ALOT more work.

[Memory]

<span><blockquote><hr>Hiro32 wrote:<div></div>If you read the post and not just the first few sentences you would have noticed that SoE WANTS to stop health inflation. if you make rangers to where they are supposed to be and mages back on the top you will have to adjust the health of every mob in the game causing ALOT more work.<hr></blockquote>bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].you only need to tweak up rangers to just where Assasins/Wiz/Warlocks are.then you gotta change nothing.if youre gonna nerf furhter you can start changing hp and other stuff.</span><div></div>

[Hiro]

<div></div>yes I agree but intill you actually play a caster you will realize how easy you have it. scouts draw little hate compaired to casters and as it stands now rangers do double the DPS for half the deaths

[leafnin]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Hiro32 wrote:<div></div>yes I agree but intill you actually play a caster you will realize how easy you have it. <strong>scouts draw little hate compaired to casters and as it stands now rangers do double the DPS for half the deaths</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Ummm that's not excately true..the drawing hate issue I mean.  My guild only has one Troub and the Rangers don't get him.  We also don't have a Pally in group.  We are pretty much left to watch aggro on our own and I usually see the aggro boundry for us being more then 750 -800 DPS any higher and we're kissing dirt.  Please don't assume all Rangers have troubs and pallies in their groups, k? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p> </p><p>Falcon</p><p>60 Ranger</p><p>Kithicor </p><p>Message Edited by leafnin on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:56 AM</span></p>

[meest]

<div></div>I wish the new rangers would understand the Veteran Rangers could care less what DPS we output.... I realy could care less. I'm a ranger, i play a ranger because i like being a ranger, not because i like my DPS rating and my damage output. I play it because I'm up for the stupid "what did one ranger say to the other ranger? You bind here often?" joke that you hear about once per day.you might catch a few of the younger Ranger Generation here, but don't expect us to be kissing your whinning [Removed for Content] and agree'ing with you here.I'm tired of these threads about DPS and how wizzy's are less than us, oh wait their more than us now. Whine Whine Whine Whine. If all you play the game for is watching your Parser you need to go find a different forum to complain in. Cause many of us are no compasionate to your kind who go about trying to get change by raising hell. The Correct way to do it would be to mention that you would like that, not demand it./rant<div></div><p>Message Edited by meest03 on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:04 PM</span></p>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p>

[TrigunVash]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW

[BtilTheMage]

<div>"rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW"</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Heh, let's not start this old argument again.</font></div>

[Sulas]

Heh... why not?  It would be really easy to just cut/paste the old threads and we could just kick back. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div>"rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW"</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Heh, let's not start this old argument again.</font></div><hr></blockquote><p>Agreed, I don't know where the Predators got the idea we should do more DPS than Sorcerors. Please stop demanding top DPS, it makes u look greedy.</p><p>I for one am perfectly fine sharing top spot with the Sorcs. I'm sure it will be back and forth depending on situation.</p><p>In the End, I figure Slightly Lower Grouping/Soloing Tools, and having to pay for poison makes up for the fact that We get to wear Medium Armour. I'm not so bold to demand greater DPS as well.</p>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>TrigunVash wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW<hr></blockquote><p>Well if you think Rangers have 0 utility then that may be your problem. You are also forgetting that Predators have much better defense than sorcerors.</p><p>I think most Predators and Sorcerors (and even the Devs) agree that T1 DPS should be shared amongst the 4 classes and not just 2 out of the 4. If Sorcerors were to constantly out DPS predators then predators would become useless and vice versa.</p>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>This BS (nerfing other classes) gets the Thumbs DOWN from this here Kittay</p><p>I'll never stoop to that level. If my DPS is enough that I'm able to continue filling my role, I'll be happy.</p><p>That said...I'd hate to be a summoner about now. They have to know that they're next in line.</p><p>Thanks to Bitl and Poochy for the support, it's kinda ironic coming from you guys but we appreciate it all the more b/c of that.</p>

[Bayler_x]

<span><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's.</p>...<hr></blockquote>Great.  So the unrealisticly very-high-end raiders are balanced. Now what about the level 35 group ranger with average gear?What about the 44 solo ranger in handcrafted trying to do writs?What the level 10 newbie who's never played a MMORPG and thought a ranger sounded fun?It's not all about raiding.  That's all that's being tested right now, though.  But these nerfs reach far and deep.Honestly, I don't feel like I have to be the best DPS in a raid or group.  But I do want to feel like I can contribute - like my actions make a difference.  And when I'm fighting solo, I want to be doing it with archery, which is looking pretty unlikely from reports from beta.</span><div></div>

[Tes Mar'a]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TrigunVash wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW<hr></blockquote><p>Well if you think Rangers have 0 utility then that may be your problem. You are also forgetting that Predators have much better defense than sorcerors.</p><p>I think most Predators and Sorcerors (and even the Devs) agree that T1 DPS should be shared amongst the 4 classes and not just 2 out of the 4. If Sorcerors were to constantly out DPS predators then predators would become useless and vice versa.</p><hr></blockquote>I don't get this. all them that says it's ok that predators and sorcerors has same DPS, or Sorcerors have to ave better DPS, all says.Sorcerors has utilitys, but predators has better armor/defens.come on. When has you last seen that a predator is secon tank, on a raid. or main tank in a group.</span></div>

[frisco4]

<div></div>Well To me, Seems like the Conjuror's DPS is waaaaaay out of line.  Aren't they supposed to be tier 2 DPS? Yah they are...So basically what they've done is pushed one or two of the T1 DPS classes to the bottom and brought a T2 DPS class to number one, Oh yeah makes perfect sense /not.

[jarlaxle8]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Bayler_xev wrote:<span>Great.  So the unrealisticly very-high-end raiders are balanced. Now what about the level 35 group ranger with average gear?What about the 44 solo ranger in handcrafted trying to do writs?What the level 10 newbie who's never played a MMORPG and thought a ranger sounded fun?It's not all about raiding.  That's all that's being tested right now, though.  But these nerfs reach far and deep.Honestly, I don't feel like I have to be the best DPS in a raid or group.  But I do want to feel like I can contribute - like my actions make a difference.  And when I'm fighting solo, I want to be doing it with archery, which is looking pretty unlikely from reports from beta.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>same here. i don't mind the changes and all that. but i still want a viable role in groups/raids and, above all, still be able to solo well.i don't care if i get out-damaged by assassins/wizards/sorcerers some of the time. in tier 1 dps there should be 4 classes, all about the same, and that's fine with me. but i want to offer the same as the other tier 1, and i want to be able to play solo.so i do hope they'll balance it out soon if the cut to our damage is more then it should be with this change. and i mean soon, not in 6 months, and not with a change that over-powers us again so the screaming against rangers starts all over.</p><p>---------------------------<a target="_self" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=383113204">Ryilan Nightbreeze </a>---------------------------</p>

[Dojoc]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p schrieb:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TrigunVash wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW<hr></blockquote><p>Well if you think Rangers have 0 utility then that may be your problem. You are also forgetting that Predators have much better defense than sorcerors.</p><p>I think most Predators and Sorcerors (and even the Devs) agree that T1 DPS should be shared amongst the 4 classes and not just 2 out of the 4. If Sorcerors were to constantly out DPS predators then predators would become useless and vice versa.</p><hr></blockquote>YOU AGAIN?You've learned nothing again, the last post from you i've read, you stated that Rangers have greater debuffs than brigands, go and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] somewhere else plz</span></div>

[uggo]

<div>>meest03</div><div> </div><div>Best post I've read all month.</div><div> </div><div>/buggo</div>

[coltla]

I laughed when I saw this, but I agree with Meest and Jay this is below us. If nothing else remember mages, assassins, and others are coming to our support. Lets do nothing to erode that. :smileywink:

[Gailstryd]

<div></div>Calling for other classes to be nerfed is bad form broham, don't stoop to their level no matter who or how bad they deserve it.  And no class deserves to be nerfed.  I can understand it and accept it for the sake of the game, but don't wish it on anyone, it's bad form, it's bad karma, it's all that bad jazz.  And it's not very nice either, and for all those ranger and non ranger being supportive and constructive with SOE's blind new take on Rangers, it is nice to see other peeps with curtesy and respect for those around them and it really does mean all the more coming from you non rangers.  Don't kick down someone else's door just because someone kicked down yours, if you are going to blow a bunch of hot wind then aim for the peeps who are responsible.  And no that's not an incitement to flame the dev's and what not though I've found myself making a few posts of a said nature, be constructive and inform them since they apparently need it and maybe we can get "balanced" instead of nerfed. 

[MagicWand]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Hiro32 wrote:<div></div>If you read the post and not just the first few sentences you would have noticed that SoE WANTS to stop health inflation. if you make rangers to where they are supposed to be and mages back on the top you will have to adjust the health of every mob in the game causing ALOT more work.<hr></blockquote>I guess some people think a 4000 DPS is way cool, however for the health of a long term game it sucks majorly.   I really DON'T want to fight mobs with a boat load of HPS just to compensate for Ranger DPS.

[Fennir]

Please stop throwing around the 4000 dps number.Rangers never hit 4000 dps on live and it only happened in beta because of a bugged AA.Pretending 4k dps is some sort of average ranger dps only makes you look incredibly dumb.<div></div>

[MagicWand]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Fennir wrote:Please stop throwing around the 4000 dps number.Rangers never hit 4000 dps on live and it only happened in beta because of a bugged AA.Pretending 4k dps is some sort of average ranger dps only makes you look incredibly dumb.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah your right, lets throw around this number...  Scoring 300+ DPS more on average then other Tier1 DPS on the LIVE server atm.  If you want to talk about actual numbers on the Live server, then there you got it. <p>Message Edited by MagicWand on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:23 AM</span></p>

[Fennir]

You would be well served to read my other posts on this issue before acting like a child because you got your bad numbers thrown in your face.If I parse 300 dps better than other T1 DPS on live and suffer a 500-600 DPS reduction after the proc changes, something is wrong.Maybe you would enjoy rangers being lower than T1 so we can be "punished" for being awesome for a while, but that's a vindictive stance only a little baby would take, and has no place on our forums.<div></div>

[LokiHellsson]

<div>>>if you make rangers to where they are supposed to be and mages back on the top you will have to adjust the health of every mob in the game causing ALOT more work.  <<</div><div> </div><div>As SoE continues the current practice...making every class feel like they get nothing but the shaft in this game...there will be a lot less work for SoE employees.</div>

[LokiHellsson]

<div>>>agree but intill you actually play a caster you will realize how easy you have it. scouts draw little hate compaired to casters and as it stands now rangers do double the DPS for half the deaths  <<</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>How'd you make it to 60 if you don't know how to play without pulling aggro?  I've got a warlock and a ranger and if I'm in group with even a semi-conscious tank, I can avoid pulling aggro unless I choose to pull aggro.</div><div> </div>

[Rhannnn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Necromancers and Conjurers are (where) both summoners once (before LU19). You DPS overview clearly states Conjurers but you refer to them as summoners.</p><p> </p><p>Sinns</p><p>L60 Necromancer</p>

[TrigunVash]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TrigunVash wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW<hr></blockquote><p>Well if you think Rangers have 0 utility then that may be your problem. You are also forgetting that Predators have much better defense than sorcerors.</p><p>I think most Predators and Sorcerors (and even the Devs) agree that T1 DPS should be shared amongst the 4 classes and not just 2 out of the 4. If Sorcerors were to constantly out DPS predators then predators would become useless and vice versa.</p><hr></blockquote>Remember sorcs have stuns stifles roots and many other command abilities, we have a crappy snare. i would rather use cloth armor and be able to use stifle,stun ext, than use chaini never said anythign about brigands debuffs compared to rangers, rangers have some heat mit decreasce,20defense decrese and some crapy parry debuff bow shot, thats about it<p>Message Edited by TrigunVash on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:15 PM</span></p>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhannnn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Necromancers and Conjurers are (where) both summoners once (before LU19). You DPS overview clearly states Conjurers but you refer to them as summoners.</p><p> </p><p>Sinns</p><p>L60 Necromancer</p><hr></blockquote>Necromancers are right behind them in DPS if not more on single target with their new lvl 65 skill, but there wasn't a necro on the raid.

[Poochymama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dojocan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p schrieb:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TrigunVash wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>rangers and assasns should be top of T1 dps, we have 0 utility, we are basically not good for anything but pathfinding and DPS FTW<hr></blockquote><p>Well if you think Rangers have 0 utility then that may be your problem. You are also forgetting that Predators have much better defense than sorcerors.</p><p>I think most Predators and Sorcerors (and even the Devs) agree that T1 DPS should be shared amongst the 4 classes and not just 2 out of the 4. If Sorcerors were to constantly out DPS predators then predators would become useless and vice versa.</p><hr></blockquote>YOU AGAIN?You've learned nothing again, the last post from you i've read, you stated that Rangers have greater debuffs than brigands, go and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] somewhere else plz</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>LOL better debuffs than brigands? LOL, yep I guess I said that. Whatever you say man.</p><p>Actually I said they had better debuffs then wizards which is true, but wizards also have better buffs to make up for that.</p><p> </p><p>Hmmm, whonder when I made that statement? Maybe someone is lying?</p>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><p>Oh yeah and Dojocan please link the thread where I said Rangers have better debuffs than brigands as I would really love to see that.</p><p>Or did you just make that statement up?</p>

[Gareorn]

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[Darice]

<div>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>I wish the new rangers would understand the Veteran Rangers could care less what DPS we output.... I realy could care less. I'm a ranger, i play a ranger because i like being a ranger, not because i like my DPS rating and my damage output.</div><div>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div> </div><div>Words spoken by a <em><strong>TRUE</strong></em>  Ranger!!  I totally agree...</div><div> </div><div>My advice to those unhappy or unable to cut it as a ranger...... I have a robe for you...</div><div> </div><div>This is NOT a class that  just anyone can play and play it well...We should be,  at this point in the game..   able to take on and master anything  sony throws at us.  We will always be rangers!!    I didnt make  the class  called DPS.... I created a ranger.</div><div> </div><div>Skyra ( level 60 ranger - DPS NOT INCLUDED)</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Ayo]

<div></div><div></div>And I don't believe for a second that you "VETERAN" rangers don't care that your dps is getting cut by 60%.   Its great you play a Ranger because you are a "true" Ranger but I am not a person that plays or does anything just because of the name. I play a Ranger for the simple fact that they lay waste and they are fun as hell!! I pay the same price as everyone else and believe that customers that pay 15$  a month shouldn't be punished because they picked a certain type character.  I believe that it was SOE mistake from day one but it should of been fixed very soon after discovered.  Not 600 days after.  Everyone says "well you knew it was coming" wrong after over a year you believe it was here to stay.. I believe that people have payed to play this game and invested allot of time into a character shouldn't have there character deamed useless. I am going to continue to play the game and I am sure I will have fun.  I and I am sure many other people do not agree with the way allot of things are handled in this game.  This is our right considering we pay to play.  I can say that I will be trying Vangaurd and Hero's Journey  just for the simple fact that I might not be pushed around by the gamemaker.      Oh yah I think your opinions will change when you are getting your arses handed to you in every duel by characters 3 levels lower than you!!! After all this game is somewhat of a power trip and you will have no power!!<div></div><p>Message Edited by Ayode on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:29 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Ayode on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:30 PM</span></p>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=20436&query.id=0#M20436">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=20436&query.id=0#M20436</a></div><hr></blockquote><p>Lol you posted a quote of me saying that Rangers have better debuffs than Wizards. Not sure why you did that.</p><p>Still waiting on the quote saying Rangers have better debuffs than brigands.</p><p> </p><p>Starting to think Dojocan just lied.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:31 PM</span></p>

[Rhannnn]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhannnn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Necromancers and Conjurers are (where) both summoners once (before LU19). You DPS overview clearly states Conjurers but you refer to them as summoners.</p><p> </p><p>Sinns</p><p>L60 Necromancer</p><hr></blockquote>Necromancers are right behind them in DPS if not more on single target with their new lvl 65 skill, but there wasn't a necro on the raid.<hr></blockquote><p>First: I don't play on test so i totally rely on the judjement of other Necro's <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I ask you to scan the necro board for the general 'feeling' regarding this spell. Your conclusion will be that Necro's considered it almost a fluff spell.</p><p>I think you are mistaking the Necro spell for the Conjurer one which makes the pet immune for stun/fear/root/stiffle AND ups the attackspeed (if scoutpet is used) or gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]load of HP (8k if im correct) if the Tankpet is used.</p><p>I would trade our spell for the Conj one anyday in the year</p><p>Sinns</p><p>L60 Necromancer</p><p>Message Edited by Rhannnn on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:01 PM</span></p>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhannnn wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhannnn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Necromancers and Conjurers are (where) both summoners once (before LU19). You DPS overview clearly states Conjurers but you refer to them as summoners.</p><p> </p><p>Sinns</p><p>L60 Necromancer</p><hr></blockquote>Necromancers are right behind them in DPS if not more on single target with their new lvl 65 skill, but there wasn't a necro on the raid.<hr></blockquote><p>First: I don't play on test so i totally rely on the judjement of other Necro's <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I ask you to scan the necro board for the general 'feeling' regarding this spell. Your conclusion will be that Necro's considered it almost a fluff spell.</p><p>I think you are mistaking the Necro spell for the Conjurer one which makes the pet immune for stun/fear/root/stiffle AND ups the attackspeed (if scoutpet is used) or gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]load of HP (8k if im correct) if the Tankpet is used.</p><p>I would trade our spell for the Conj one anyday in the year</p><p>Sinns</p><p>L60 Necromancer</p><p>Message Edited by Rhannnn on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:01 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>No, actually i'm not mistaking it for the conjuror spell. From my friends testing (he is in beta) it is clear that this is one of the best new skills of all the classes. Only problem I see is the long recast time.</p><p>Even if there are no corpes it will summon 3 undead which ups your DPS by about 200. If there are 3 corpses on the ground you can expect a 400 pt boost to your DPS which will actually put you above conjurors for that fight. If there are 6 corpses it will boost your DPS by about 800 which makes for a pretty insane skill.</p>

[Gareorn]

<div>Looks like we've been reduced to such insignificance that we now have a berzerker and a necromancer discussing beta spells in the Ranger forums.</div><div> </div><div>Is this funny or what?:smileyvery-happy:</div>

[AChampi]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Poochymama p wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Actually guys, I know it sounds weird coming from me, but... Ranger DPS isn't all that bad on test. Has it taken a major hit? Of course, but is now more in line with the other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>My best friend in RL is currently in Beta. He recently attended a beta buffed raid where everyone had t7 fabled and master 1's. Don't know the name of the creature they fought, but it had over 1.4 million HP. In that raid the Ranger that attended didn't really do all that bad. He told me a few of the parses. Can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I do remember the dragon one he told me of.</p><p><strong>Conjuror 1163 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin 843 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 799 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 784 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Those are the only classes I can remember for that encounter. I also remember another one, but for the life of me can't remeber the Assasins DPS</p><p><strong></strong> </p><p><strong>Conjuror 1127 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Assasin ? DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Wizard 963 DPS</strong></p><p><strong>Ranger 884 DPS</strong></p><p> </p><p>Rangers did recieve a pretty darn huge nerf, but I would advise you all to stick it out and see what really happened. From what my friend has told a lot of Rangers are overeacting to the nerf and making false claims. He also said that DPS between the 4 T1 DPS classes is much more balanced overall with assasins having a slight edge, but nothing that can't be overcome with skills and dedication. Only complaint he had was that now summoners (a t2 class) are now significantly ahead of the t1 DPS classes.</p><p>My advice to the Rangers out there would be to stick it out and lvl your Ranger to 70 before making your final decision on whether to stay or quit. Also don't always believe the things that are said by people that have just been hit with a big nerf as it is very easy for them to overeact and not see the whole picture.</p><p>I hope this can help ease the pain a little. If not... well I tried.</p><p>Message Edited by Poochymama p on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't suppose this parsed out the damage done by other's damage buffs like assassin's apply poison or the wizards str and int buff, cold shield, cold proc (and fire pet) or the rangers - erm? - and attributed to the right class and removed from the delivering class?</p><p>And similarily for debuffs? (e.g. any increased dps from the ranger's Forester's Noose, Snipe, Debilitating Arrow and the debuff poison [not unique] should be attributed to the ranger, likewise for the assasin, and the wizard -elemental resist)</p><p>I would really like to see this detail to have a rounded dps discussion.</p><p>I am willing to accept Tier 1 DPS classes utility is comparable (evac, stun, slow, pathfinding, tracking, elemental resist, roots, stifle etc.), though I would prefer to have more class defining utility rather than something in common with other classes (e.g. elemental for wizards, poison for warlocks)</p><p>Regards</p><p>  -Slic.</p><p>[PS Not exluding the warlock from the tier 1 DPS - just don't know a ton about them]</p><p><img src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/3262.png"></p><p>Message Edited by AChampion on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:41 PM</span></p>

[Arhan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fennir wrote:You would be well served to read my other posts on this issue before acting like a child because you got your bad numbers thrown in your face.If I parse 300 dps better than other T1 DPS on live and suffer a 500-600 DPS reduction after the proc changes, something is wrong.Maybe you would enjoy rangers being lower than T1 so we can be "punished" for being awesome for a while, but that's a vindictive stance only a little baby would take, and has no place on our forums.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I couldn't agree more about the parse statement...

[GrayStorm]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>meest03 wrote:<div></div>I wish the new rangers would understand the Veteran Rangers could care less what DPS we output.... I realy could care less. I'm a ranger, i play a ranger because i like being a ranger, not because i like my DPS rating and my damage output. I play it because I'm up for the stupid "what did one ranger say to the other ranger? You bind here often?" joke that you hear about once per day.you might catch a few of the younger Ranger Generation here, but don't expect us to be kissing your whinning [Removed for Content] and agree'ing with you here.I'm tired of these threads about DPS and how wizzy's are less than us, oh wait their more than us now. Whine Whine Whine Whine. If all you play the game for is watching your Parser you need to go find a different forum to complain in. Cause many of us are no compasionate to your kind who go about trying to get change by raising hell. The Correct way to do it would be to mention that you would like that, not demand it./rant<div></div><p>Message Edited by meest03 on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:04 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Sorry but not everyone is a simple as you are.</p><p>Some of us actually like to play all the content in the game</p><p>That includes raiding, in fact it requires raiding on a regular basis just to gear up to kill Godking, etc. to complete end-game quests.</p><p>If ranger dps is cut in half, that affects the entire raids ability to get the job done.  I don't care about other classes dps, I just don't want to become OBSOLETE.</p><p>so now it's your turn to ST  FU because you certainly don't speak for all of us.</p>

[Sokolov]

<span><blockquote><hr>LokiHellsson wrote:<div>>>if you make rangers to where they are supposed to be and mages back on the top you will have to adjust the health of every mob in the game causing ALOT more work.  <<</div><div> </div><div>As SoE continues the current practice...making every class feel like they get nothing but the shaft in this game...there will be a lot less work for SoE employees.</div><hr></blockquote>lol, that's true, doesn't matter what the end result is if no one cares by that point =D</span><div></div>