Rings on test

[Cael]

<div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=46795" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=46795</a></div><div> </div><div>Well, it would seem they are changing rings again, and look at the Str one, "successfull melee attack"</div><div> </div><div>Looks like not only do we get no any proccing gear but Ironwood and Valian, we wont be able to proc off our rings now either</div><div> </div><div>Man, they are doing a good job nerfing us with all these sublties</div>

[Woffer]

<div></div>Well the agi one procs of CA's, and the buff is better for us anyways.

[Cael]

<div></div><p>A haste buff and a bigger power pool are better than an 11% dps boost and then more str, where our dps comes from? How is that better?</p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caelum wrote:<div></div><p>A haste buff and a bigger power pool are better than an 11% dps boost and then more str, where our dps comes from? How is that better?</p><hr></blockquote><p>Agreed, and for those who have not seen the notes on LU20 on test here it is regarding us:</p><p><strong>Ranger changes:</strong>- Trick Shot's hate gain no longer increases as it is upgraded, and its duration has been lowered to 5 seconds.- The stealth effect for Shrouded Attack will now trigger much faster.</p><p>So, this is how they plan to bring Wizards in line with us? LMFAO.  This is so stupid in my opinion.  Change the rings to a measly 3% chance to proc some BS that lasts for like 30 seconds...</p><p>Think about it for wizards...they are going to have rings that likely will require melee (god I hope so). Likely it will proc off their CA's though.  I find it soo ridiculous that wizards even carry weapons they are such wimps when it comes to getting close enough to hit with it.</p><p>I thought the change concerning rings being a perma buff as long as they were on was understandable...but this is borderline nuts. </p><p>Then to change our (and other scouts equiv.) trick shot...well if it isnt going to lock hate onto the tank anymore it should at least do twice as much damage.  Its duration about makes it worthless on a pull now too...unless your tank can get in and hit real fast.</p><p>I dunno, the ring change blows...if the poison changes I heard rumor of go into effect...well you can kiss all of those new "must be uber dps machine" rangers goodbye [Removed for Content].</p><p>Heres to the hope that this is just the first round of changes and the next include ring fixes after they break them.  I did notice one thing though...no wizard changes. </p><p>Peace Health and Happiness</p><p>Saihung Talechaser</p>

[Fennir]

I dont even use the trick shot line for its intended purpose anyways.  I just use it as another arrow attack and cancel the buff so I don't get someone killed.  So I don't mind that change very much.The rings are stupid.  I'm not sure what annoys me more... that I went out and got another STR ring made last week after reading the patch notes, or that all my imbued rings are completely useless to me now.Oh well. =)(btw the int rings are procced on successful hostile spells)<div></div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><div><div>Good Change imho, still great rings stat wise and a neat effect now to boot without being overpowering and making fabled obsolete.</div></div>

[Deml]

<div></div>If they proc off bows this could be a decent change.  I agree it is a fine change for crafted gear, since Fabled should be better anyway. 

[Ranja]

<div></div><div><div>Good Change imho, still great rings stat wise and a neat effect now to boot without being overpowering and making fabled obsolete.</div></div><p></p><div>Khalan60 RangerSecond Dawn, Najena</div><p></p><hr><p>Neat affect! What are you crazy! What is the neat affect? The one that only procs on melee or the useless haste buff and power pool gain.  Jesus, no wonder why they are nerfing rangers - we cant even agree on what is best for our class.</p><p>How about leaving the rings the way they were and not allowing them to stack.</p><p>I would think all sane minded rangers would agree this blows, but I guess not.</p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div><div><div>Good Change imho, still great rings stat wise and a neat effect now to boot without being overpowering and making fabled obsolete.</div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah wouldnt be bad if they proc'd off of attacks (ranged or melee).  Until I see them I guess I should reserve judgement, I just think it is sounds stupid.  As long as I get the full bonus to agility/strength from my imbued, I could care less if they proc'd and dumped poo in my inventory.  The way I read it though is that they will have the mediocre stat bonuses on the description and no big boost to the ability otherwise.  I just dont equate a 3% chance to proc an 8% haste increase as nearly equivalent to what we had before.  Especially if it is from melee...I mean...how does that highlight our bow being our weapon of choice.</p><p>I will warily wait for this change and then /feedback it everyday if it stinks.</p><p>I like the optimism though <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ranja]

<div></div>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div><div><div>Good Change imho, still great rings stat wise and a neat effect now to boot without being overpowering and making fabled obsolete.<hr></div></div><p>He posted that drivel on the testing feedback as well and got just as negative response. Chaos, I think you are the only on in the entire EQ2 universe that thinks this is good. And I get I can guess why - you have fabled rings.</p><p>So, how about this - instead jsut remove the stacking - that was a dumb idea to allow that anyways. Dont let rings of the same stat stack - done.</p><p>Neat effect without overpowering. How about an effect that blows for every class and something that useless not underpowered but useless</p><p>If SOE has any brains, there is no way this will make it off test.</p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p><p> </p>

[BtilTheMage]

<div>"<strong><em>If SOE has any brains</em></strong>, there is no way this will make it off test."</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">We're doomed :smileysad:</font></div>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div>"<strong><em>If SOE has any brains</em></strong>, there is no way this will make it off test."</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">We're doomed :smileysad:</font></div><hr></blockquote><p>Let me guess...this is supposed to be your way of saying what...That because we are discussing the changes and saying we dont like them (notice no rangers here are saying anything remotely like what is in most wizard complaint threads...like quitting).</p><p>Or, please surprise me here Btil, are you actually chiming in by making an overexaggeration in agreement with our opinion that by appearances the changes to rings suck?</p><p>or do you think that maybe wizards will now regain their rightful place back atop the dps charts and be fully utilized by botters everywhere?  (This is a good example of bad humor and sarcasm...just an FYI)</p><p>If it is either the first or the last, then do me a favor, go to the newbie yard and help out some newbie wizards or something...or something.</p><p>In either case dont be gloating or derogatory in our forums please.</p><p>Thnks</p><p>Saihung</p><p> </p><p>***edit*** I just realized I was being a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] here...know what, welcome Btil, I hope you have some good ideas for alternatives to this ring change they propose.</p><p>Message Edited by Saihung23 on <span class="date_text">02-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:25 PM</span></p>

[Woffer]

<div>@ Caelum</div><div> </div><div><em>"A haste buff and a bigger power pool are better than an 11% dps boost and then more str, where our dps comes from? How is that better?"</em></div><div> </div><div>It all depends on how much the str buff is... DPS boosts only affect auto attack, so dmg wont rly change, while haste allows us to shoot more arrows and proc more poison and archer's frienzy... On the other hand, if the str buff is big it might affect our CA dmg enuf to do more dmg than the haste would though.</div>

[Cael]

<div></div><p>I didnt think haste altered or CA's. Maybe I misinterpritted haste, but I thought it was for autoattack.</p><p>Which would take down our bow autoattack, but, given SOEs proc formula, actually LOWERS our proc rate on autoattack. Which would be a nerf in the guise of a buff, but again, I thought haste only sped up autoattack. I could easily be wrong though.</p>

[Ranja]

<div>"<strong><em>If SOE has any brains</em></strong>, there is no way this will make it off test."</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">We're doomed <img border="0" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif" height="16" width="16"></font></div><div><hr></div><p>I actually read that to be:</p><p>SOE has no brains, so this will make it to live. So we are doomed.</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[AfflictedOne]

Haste only speeds up autoattack.  In other words haste is pretty useless.  Long cast timers and the fact that if you queue an art before the other is finished you prolly won't autoattack between ca's makes haste something that doesn't make any difference in the big picture.   I'll give up haste any day of the week for a few more points of str.  Heck for a few points of int for that matter.For the record...  Sta rings are procing off taking damage, Int rings are procing off casting hostile spells,  Wis are from casting healing spells (maybe beneficial spells for that matter not sure), Agi from combat arts, and Str from melee attacks.  So out of the two types of rings that I've used as a ranger,  Int is impossible for me to proc and  Str is so close to being impossible that it may as well be.  Technically at least four of them should be changed to proc from all attacks and spells.  That way people have a choice of how they wanna play.<div></div>

[Woffer]

<div></div><div><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Didn’t say it affected auto attack. I may have be unclear though... What im saying though is i would rather have haste for my <u>auto attack</u> then a dmg boost for my <u>auto attack</u> since i believe that the added procs we would get would in the end do more dmg than the dps boost would... BUT.. if the str buff you would get is high enough, allowing for our CA's to do more dmg, the str ring could be better.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">I've never heard that haste affected our chance to proc though. Just though they used the speed on the weapon without modifying it when calculating to proc %.. Any one know how it works for sure?</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff"></font></span> </p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">This is just my opinion though.... Good hunting.</font></span></p></div>

[Domyr Farseeker]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>LOL.</div><div> </div><div>I read about this test update 3 hours *after* shelling out almost 2 plat for a Vanadium STR ring. I actually was going to bite the bullet and buy 2 STR and 2 AGI so I could stack one stat or mix and match depending on the situation. It was a lot of money (for me, at least), and would have nearly cleaned out my bank, in fact. But, I hadn't upgraded any of my jewelery slots to T6 stuff yet, and the idea of being able to go all-out-AGI or all-out-STR or mixing it up was reaaally tempting. I was a little worried that SOE might kill the stacking thing, and I was a little tempted to make one an INT ring, so I hesitated to pull the trigger while I debated.</div><div> </div><div>The only thing that saved me was the fact that I had just got my new cobalt spear in the mail and was anxious to try it out. To buy all 4 rings, I'd have had to do some toon swapping to get the plat out of my merchants' banks. I really wanted to go out and kill some stuff with my new toys, so I decided to think about it and get back to the other rings later. As it is, throwing two plat down the drain was a sickening feeling...I keep telling myself to be happy it wasn't 8 plat. Whew....close call.</div><div> </div><div>The worst part about this change to me, is that this was running on the BETA server (hidden behind the NDA) *before* the latest change went live. Why in the world would SOE put the current change on the live servers just to change it again later? Thanks for the bait and switch, SOE. No way would I have EVER spent 2 plat for a 3% chance to proc a temporary buff that probably won't proc off my bow. Never. Ever. Wouldn't have even crossed my mind. I'd much sooner have spent that money on a Master or another cobalt weapon, or kept it in my poison fund.</div><div> </div><div>It's only virtual money, and I'm at the point where I can only laugh about it now. But, my first reaction to reading the update notes (just hours after laying out my coin) was to take my multiple accounts (the payments for which are currently stackable, btw) and give SOE a 2% proc to collect next month's subscription payment from me. And no, you can't have my my stuff. But, if you're quick...I just threw a nice shiny Vanadium ring in the South Qeynos gutter. You're welcome to it.</div><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Domyr Farseeker on <span class="date_text">02-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:23 PM</span></p>

[BtilTheMage]

<div></div><div>Let me guess...this is supposed to be your way of saying what...That because we are discussing the changes and saying we dont like them (notice no rangers here are saying anything remotely like what is in most wizard complaint threads...like quitting).<p>"Or, please surprise me here Btil, are you actually chiming in by making an overexaggeration in agreement with our opinion that by appearances the changes to rings suck?</p><p>or do you think that maybe wizards will now regain their rightful place back atop the dps charts and be fully utilized by botters everywhere?  (This is a good example of bad humor and sarcasm...just an FYI)</p><p>If it is either the first or the last, then do me a favor, go to the newbie yard and help out some newbie wizards or something...or something.</p><p>In either case dont be gloating or derogatory in our forums please.</p><p>Thnks</p><p>Saihung"</p><p><font color="#cc0033">Stop taking everything I say as an insult :smileytongue:</font></p><p><font color="#cc0033">It's quite obvious, no matter what class you are, that SOE is brainless and makes stupid, worthless changes.</font></p><p><font color="#cc0033">Weren't you there for me being made an honorary Ranger?</font></p><p>"Aye Btil is now an honorary RANGER.  Since he has surpased most ranger in post count in thier own forumns.  I think you brought up some good points as some of the counter arguments as well.  A good healthy debate. " -Niuan</p><p><font color="#cc0033"></font> </p></div><p>Message Edited by BtilTheMage on <span class="date_text">02-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:41 PM</span></p>

[Sulas]

<span><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div></div><div><p><font color="#cc0033">Stop taking everything I say as an insult :smileytongue:</font></p><p><font color="#cc0033">It's quite obvious, no matter what class you are, that SOE is brainless and makes stupid, worthless changes.</font></p><span class="time_text"></span></div><hr></blockquote>Today we are in complete agreement.</span><div></div>

[AfflictedOne]

Also wanted to put in here.  The str rings are currently a 1% chance to proc on melee attack.  The int are 3% chance to proc on hostile spell.  Don't have any others so not sure what % chance to proc are.<div></div>

[jarlaxle8]

<div></div><div></div><p>i'm just pretty glad i cranked out 2 plat for a str ring 2 days ago. and it's pretty cool, it'll even proc off mellee attacks. i mean, rangers should mellee great, or not? :smileymad:</p><p>well, maybe i should be happy that i'm so poor that i couldn't afford getting a second ring yet...</p><p>/sarcasm off</p><p>would be good if they make the str ring to proc off mellee AND ranged. it's enough that the rings are gonna be way less worth then what people paid for them; doesn't have to be be nerfed to total uselessness for rangers.</p><p>---------------------------<a target="_self" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=383113204">Ryilan Nightbreeze </a>---------------------------</p><p>Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on <span class="date_text">02-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:39 PM</span></p>

[Saihung23]

<span><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div></div><div>Let me guess...this is supposed to be your way of saying what...That because we are discussing the changes and saying we dont like them (notice no rangers here are saying anything remotely like what is in most wizard complaint threads...like quitting).<p>"Or, please surprise me here Btil, are you actually chiming in by making an overexaggeration in agreement with our opinion that by appearances the changes to rings suck?</p><p>or do you think that maybe wizards will now regain their rightful place back atop the dps charts and be fully utilized by botters everywhere?  (This is a good example of bad humor and sarcasm...just an FYI)</p><p>If it is either the first or the last, then do me a favor, go to the newbie yard and help out some newbie wizards or something...or something.</p><p>In either case dont be gloating or derogatory in our forums please.</p><p>Thnks</p><p>Saihung"</p><p><font color="#cc0033">Stop taking everything I say as an insult :smileytongue:</font></p><p><font color="#cc0033">It's quite obvious, no matter what class you are, that SOE is brainless and makes stupid, worthless changes.</font></p><p><font color="#cc0033">Weren't you there for me being made an honorary Ranger?</font></p><p>"Aye Btil is now an honorary RANGER.  Since he has surpased most ranger in post count in thier own forumns.  I think you brought up some good points as some of the counter arguments as well.  A good healthy debate. " -Niuan</p><p><font color="#cc0033"></font> </p></div><p>Message Edited by BtilTheMage on <span class="date_text">02-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:41 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I know I know...I thought I edited that somewhat, I wont hide what I said...Btil you have me on edge when you say something...I am not going to look at your posts as immediately suspect...lol.  I cant help it....I apologize. I will give you the benefit of the doubt you deserve.  Oh...and that thing about you having bow envy...umm...that was a joke [Removed for Content].  If you havent seen it yet, well.../sighI need a break...again, sorry Btil, I keep thinking of previous posts in relation to the present one.No posts for at least an hour or two.</span><div></div>

[Spectralmist]

<div>/em huddles in corner muttering to himself...</div><div> </div><div>"Oh, the agony..."</div><div> </div><div>My poor rings.  One of the things I could count on making some decent coin with.  First they make it a full time effect (but you've got to be wearing the rings).  Bad enough.</div><div> </div><div>Now, they proc.  STR off MELEE attacks.  moan.  I'll have to get rid of the INT ring I'm wearing - since I can't cast hostile spells, so what's the point?  I'll keep the STR, since I still do melee when soloing - but a 1% proc?</div><div> </div><div>I might want to invest in making the STA ring.  Might be more beneficial than an AGI ring...</div><div> </div><div>As for actually selling these - I figure I'll still get orders.  Very specific orders.  mages will want INT, etc.  Not nearly as many orders as before though, and the price.... [vvv]</div><div> </div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div></div>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div><div><div>Good Change imho, still great rings stat wise and a neat effect now to boot without being overpowering and making fabled obsolete.<hr></div></div><p>He posted that drivel on the testing feedback as well and got just as negative response. Chaos, I think you are the only on in the entire EQ2 universe that thinks this is good. And I get I can guess why - you have fabled rings.</p><p>So, how about this - instead jsut remove the stacking - that was a dumb idea to allow that anyways. Dont let rings of the same stat stack - done.</p><p>Neat effect without overpowering. How about an effect that blows for every class and something that useless not underpowered but useless</p><p>If SOE has any brains, there is no way this will make it off test.</p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>Even if they didn't stack they would be too good. +32 to a stat on a Ring that you can harvest is overpowered plain and simple. If they made the effects more viable in the sense that they proc for every class (Spells, melee, Ranged) I don't see how that would be bad. They are STILL the best non Fabled rings out there. I feel for the people who wasted plat to get two, I really do. But irrespective of that I think this is a step in the right direction.

[Deml]

<div>Just remember how many people were [Removed for Content] about the fact the Earthen Band was replaced by crafted when the change went to live initially.  This puts it back into perspective and makes the Earthen Band (A fabled raid won item) worth using again, and makes it about the best ring for Predator's in the game to date, if not the best.</div>

[Domyr Farseeker]

<div>At least the devs seem to be a little bit open minded about what the final implentation will be. The way it stands now, I don't like them very much. I think the proc rates are ridiculously low, for one - some were 1% procs? I think they're not very well thought out in terms of how various classes are able to use them, either. If they tweak them a little bit, they could turn out to be ok.</div><div> </div><div>If they go live as they are currently in test, I'm not sure I'd get much use out of them. As a Ranger, the proc I'd activate the most is the proc from my CA's (unless they reverse their decision about melee procs and bows). Problem with that is the buff for the CA proc is +AGI, which I really only need more of when I'm melee'ing and trying to boost my defense. But the melee proc is +STR, which I'm most interested in maximizing in a group or raid...the scenario where I'm least like to be melee'ing to be able to activate the proc. They can't just reverse them because then the melee'ers get the shaft.</div><div> </div><div>They said they wanted to be more creative and offer some interesting bonuses....ok. The stats I could really use some more options for increasing are INT and possibly STA or WIS. It's hard to find a nice scout usable item with decent INT bonus. It would be nice if the rings gave us an option to boost these sometimes neglected stats, even if it was situational. As I understand it though, we'd never be able to proc the INT buff (only procs on hostile spells), or the WIS buff (only on beneficial spells). I don't remember how the STA ring worked....maybe that could turn out to be useful somehow.</div><div> </div><div>SOE keeps trying to pidgeonhole us into an 'AGI class", and flood us with +AGI stuff. I respec'd a while back and didn't take a single AGI selection. My AGI is still way ahead of STR and STA. And my biggest single damage category is poisons, which are INT based...one of my lowest stats.</div>

[Teksun]

I have questions: Whats a melee attack??? Whats a sword? I can't remember the last time I used one...<div></div>

[Deml]

<div>Swords are those pointy things you use to roast your marshmallows, venison, kerran meat on over a fire so you don't have to dirty up an arrow.</div>

[xandez]

<div></div><p>Well well, the annoyance continues. Wooppee.</p><p>And besides, they should have rathed upgraded the fabled rings, not stomp the imbued rings into being crapola.They should learn to do things right soon... Almost cant hold my breath to wait.</p><p>++Xan</p>

[Gareorn]

<div></div>Agree Xan.  I was about to say the same thing.  I really hope this doesn't make it to live because I'm also a Jeweler.  The only thing I could make that competed with dropped jewelry was the imbued rings.  Once the word got out, that market dried up instantly.

[xandez]

<div></div><p>Yah, ok why not decrease the stat effect on the rings AND add a proc? Whys that not an option? And at the same time upgrade those fabled rings so that ppl who have em would benefit from using them.</p><p>++Xan</p>