Anti Ranger much?

[littleman17]

<div><img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/jrc316/EQ2_000006.jpg"></div><div> </div><div>Now if SOE can even think of calling this situation fair to us rangers they must seriously have monkies running their mob placement... After my initial pull, I have zero room to execute back attacks or I will pull the aggro of the other groups standing around.</div><div> </div><div>Now this is a Tears Grifter quest which is meant to be soloable by ALL classes. But I have tried this instance about 4 times and am compiling some serious debt trying to figure out how in the hell I am suppose to solo these mobs?</div><div> </div><div>I can use storm of arrows to drop the two mobs I am looking at to half health. But past that I am down to our whopping three frontal attacks to fend these two guys off. Although they are both single down arrow mobs, I am already below half health by the time the first one dies. Which since there are two of them equals one dead me...</div><div> </div><div>If any of you whining classes are reading our forums, here is an example of how unuber we are... Put in the right situation and our dps takes a serious nose dive right off the chart...</div>

[Anas]

<div>hmmm</div><div>doesn't seem hard hehe</div><div>as long as the mobs aren't up arrows and you don't aggro multiple groups at once you should be fine</div><div>plus if not mistaken isn't Storm of Arrows an AE that hits nearby groups too , i wouldn't use it in that situation ??</div><div>I'd say Thorny Trap and choose a target to kill as quick as you can then snipe the snared ones one at a time .. then move on to next group</div><div>plus : is your gear top notch ? i mean at least legendary? good DD poison?</div>

[littleman17]

<div>Storm of Arrows = Encounter based aoe.</div><div>Natural Selection =  Straight up aoe</div><div> </div><div>And no my gear isn't top notch because the game hates me all to hell. I have been playing since launch and across 6 characters (harvesting every node I come across) I have only harvested 6 rares. I have mined over 200 of the metal nodes in the SS and about 50 in the PoF and have yet to see a single piece of cobalt.</div><div> </div><div>So yeah, I shouldn't have to need legendary gear to do a simple solo quest such as this... I have to get by on what I find/afford for I am not one of those f*ckers the game prefers. In my case they should change cobalt from rare to impossible to mine...</div><div> </div><div>Oh and on a positive note, after rooting the one I wasn't fighting with thorny trap, I was able to slowly whittle this zone down untill I was able to beat it. ^_^; *happy dance*</div>

[kartikeya]

<div></div><p>Hrm. I've done this one a few times.</p><p>What I did was put a thorny trap right down where you're standing, and then pull those two blues with Storm of Arrows. If the trap doesnt give you enough room for range, scoot over to the opposite corner to your left there.</p><p>I agree though that the Tears Grifter quests can often be frustrating, given how closed quarters things are.</p>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div>I'd use hidden fire against one of the blue guys on the left. You really shouldnt have too much problems against em in the melee either. And you dont need that much room for cheap shot + another ranged CA combo.Then maybe natural selection to those yellow ones (if theres only 1 encounter, if theres 2, then not), etc...In the back room is 2 separate groups and 1 uparrow mob iirc, pull the 1st encounter preferably with triple fire, then twiggle back from the door while shootin storm of arrows. To the other group, natural selection is prolly loaded already, so i'd start with that...That particular quest can be tough if ya rush things out, but you should be able to defeat it pretty easily.<font color="#ffcc00">*EDIT*</font><font color="#ffcc00"></font><font color="#ffcc00">if you get your b**t handed to you in the melee, dont forget to switch to defensive stance, it really makes a difference... and when cheap shot is up again, switch offensive stance back up, stun + bacpedal some + shoot + switch to def stance if needed</font>++Xan<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class="date_text">02-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:33 PM</span></p>

[GoNom]

<div></div><p>I had a real hard time with one of the Tears rooms....died 3 times trying then finally decided to take it real slow and figure out the environment before attacking.  Make sure there isn't a curtain behind and to your right, from the screenshot vantage point.  If there is, there is another goon back there, and in my case he was a blue ^.  From behind with no avoidance I was getting pounded, the mobs in front of you should be solo'able with ease.  But, put another behind you and its basically an heroic encounter.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Hope this helps some....good luck</p>

[Marcuzs]

<div></div>I use to die often on those quests. They do take some effort to get them down. Usually I only have trouble on the up arrow mobs. The other mobs you can stun one for 6 sec while killing the other one down. Also you mention you have 3 mellee attacks, I sure hope you ment 4 since that is how many we actually have.

[GoNom]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Marcuzs wrote:<div></div>I use to die often on those quests. They do take some effort to get them down. Usually I only have trouble on the up arrow mobs. The other mobs you can stun one for 6 sec while killing the other one down. Also you mention you have 3 mellee attacks, I sure hope you ment 4 since that is how many we actually have.<hr></blockquote><p>1. Deadly Reminder2. Lunging Blade3. Tear4. Shocking Thrust</p><p>4 by my count too</p>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p>These are not that hard if done properly. Stand where you are an SoA the first group. Make sure you are using a high DD posion and even a stun poison if you want overkill. SoA will kill all 3 or at least bring them all down to red. They will charge. Kill one instantly with Rip and then cheap shot the other .Take a step back and blast one of you bow CAs into its face. That is 2 dead in 20 secs. You cna even switch to defensive stance if you want. Melee the other one and cheap shot if he is still up when he gets to you. Now the other yellows you must go into defensive stance or they will hammer you. You can wait to SoA is back up or use Natural Selection and Trap. Either way use cheap shot and don't go behind for a stealth attack just step back and blast triple fire or flaming shot into their face - it does so much more damage than a strealth/backstab combo.</p><p> </p><p>Happy Hunting</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p>Also looking at your spell bar you are missing some CAs. Waht kind of set up do you have? Might want to rearrange some of that. Where is your bleed line of CAs, and Lunging Blade. Like the OP poster said we have four melee CAs - The two DoTs, Shocking Thurst, and the Rip line. I cant see them on your hotbars.</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[Zendi_Perma]

<div></div>I just wanted to say there are some great responses to this thread, with no flaming.      Practical tips are what I look for in this forum, and this thread reminds me I need to setup that macro to switch stances with one button!

[nimbus2kgold]

<div></div><div>I havent dont this one that i can remember ( they started to blur together after a while..lol.) but from looking at this here is my suggestion:</div><div> </div><div>Im not so sure about Storming those guys.  My concern is, if they are social to the second mob, your going to be in trouble.  So what i would do is first place a trap in the extreme corner on your left, just inside the door, or as close as you can get to it without getting the see-invis aggro.  Next, make like a tank and carefully do a body pull.  Inch Inch slow untill you see the see-invis guy start to move at you.  Scoot back into your trap and **snap** you got them.  Back up into the corner your standing in now and fire away.  If you want to use storm here, cool, or if you dont want to risk the trap breaking just take them out one at a time.   Or storm them with Translucent Phantasmic Visions ( the rangers best friend!!!)  and root em good.  Once they are dead you have plenty of room for the second mob. </div><div> </div><div>So its not impossible, just takes a little finesse.  Look at it as a challenge.  Think of the sense of accomplishment you will get when you kick their [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!!</div><div> </div><div>((Edit: Oh look!!! my very first [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] !! Ive never been censored before.. woot!! yay for me! Im such a dirty girl.. **grin**))</div><p>Message Edited by nimbus2kgold on <span class="date_text">02-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:15 AM</span></p>

[Incedio]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>littleman17 wrote:<div><img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/jrc316/EQ2_000006.jpg"></div><div> </div><div>Now if SOE can even think of calling this situation fair to us rangers they must seriously have monkies running their mob placement... After my initial pull, I have zero room to execute back attacks or I will pull the aggro of the other groups standing around.</div><div> </div><div>Now this is a Tears Grifter quest which is meant to be soloable by ALL classes. But I have tried this instance about 4 times and am compiling some serious debt trying to figure out how in the hell I am suppose to solo these mobs?</div><div> </div><div>I can use storm of arrows to drop the two mobs I am looking at to half health. But past that I am down to our whopping three frontal attacks to fend these two guys off. Although they are both single down arrow mobs, I am already below half health by the time the first one dies. Which since there are two of them equals one dead me...</div><div> </div><div>If any of you whining classes are reading our forums, here is an example of how unuber we are... Put in the right situation and our dps takes a serious nose dive right off the chart...</div><hr></blockquote>1st off a litle about my Ranger. I am a level 51 Ranger in normal crafted indium chain with an Imbued Ironwood bow and up until late lastnight I was using an imbued indium sai and a PGT as my weapons for melee. None of my gear is what you would consider great and I have no issues with completing this grifter mission.</div><div> </div><div>Here is how I handle this mission:</div><div>1. Move to the right corner (I can't tell if you are there already in that picture or if you are just inside the door)</div><div>2. Target the front left blue Dervish Guard</div><div>3. Open with an Arrow CA of your choice, you are only going to get 1 shot off before they close into Melee range. (I personally use Culling the Herd)</div><div>4. Hit your HO hotkey and Cheapshot the Dervish guard when he gets to you.</div><div>5. Strafe left turn around and hit said Dervish guard with Arrow CAs until he is dead. Triple Shot / Debilitating Arrow or Sharp Shot</div><div>6. 1st mob is dead and now you only have 1 down arrow blue to kill. Use your HO and beat him down, he shouldn't give you any trouble but if he is cheapshot him and move to the other corner and arrow CA him to death.</div><div> </div><div>7. Move to the left corner and shoot the yellow Dervish Guard with an Arrow CA of your choice, he is a solo mob and the two blue single down mobs beyond him do not add.</div><div>8. Repeat steps 1-6 for the 2nd set of down arrow guards and then you have the whole front room to move around in for easy clearing of the rest of the house.</div><div> </div><div>I personally save my Storm of Arrows for the next room because there are packs of 3 mobs (not because they are difficult but because I love to hit big packs of mobs with SOA) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div>You don't need fancy expensive poisons or stun poisons to do these missions. I personally just use vendor poisons and I have no issues with any of the grifter missions now that I have them all figured out.</div><p>Message Edited by Incedious on <span class="date_text">02-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:02 AM</span></p>

[littleman17]

<div>I always forget to use Tear because pre combat revamp it was such a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] weak skill that I never used it. But now that it actualy does do pretty good damage I may start using it now.</div><div> </div><div>As per my skill set up my four melee skills are as follow:</div><div> </div><div>1. Shocking Thrust line</div><div>4. Lunge line</div><div>-. Deadly Reminder line</div><div>Alt 0. Tear</div><div> </div><div>They are all there...</div>

[Beldin_]

<div></div>I do this instance quiet often for solo leveling and a little money farming .. i start with the single guy in the middle with culling the herd or hidden fire .. cheap shot .. step back .. flame arrow and leg shot . Storm of arrows for the next group .. if possible leg shot on the first guy .. fight him down in melee .. chep shot the second .. step back .. flame arrow . Thorny trap for next group .. tripple arrow on the first .. if he's not dead leg shot ..  flame arrow on the next .. cheap shot .. and whatever is up .. or maybe jump behind and use backstab melee. For all the rest you have more place so mostly with tripple arrow and leg shot one is dead .. cheap shot the next and use whatever skills are up. And if you really have problems .. or ar just a little lazy .. use a stun potion <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Qwexer]

<span><blockquote><hr>Zendi wrote:<div></div>I just wanted to say there are some great responses to this thread, with no flaming.      Practical tips are what I look for in this forum, and this thread reminds me I need to setup that macro to switch stances with one button!<hr></blockquote></span>May I ask what the macro entails?<span>Woodfire and his trusty sidekick Splinters32 Ranger 75th RegimentHighkeep (soon to be crashing butcherblocks party)Servants of ElizurTrader of collectibles pst me anytime</span><div></div>

[kartikeya]

<div></div>Randomly, if you think this particular mission is bad for rangers, wait until you get the one to rescue the hostage. Holy claustrophobia, Batman. There are five mobs crammed into a space smaller than your average newbie inn room (1 group of three vvv mobs, at least one of which that can see invisible, and two single ^ mobs, both casters (and healers!). I've had several times where I've zoned into that only to be immediately jumped by the see invis mobs as well.

[Quillian Feetfa]

<div></div><p>If this is one of the Maj'Dul Residences, I do them all the time.  This is a piece of cake for a Ranger.  I usually never open with Storm of Arrows for fear of drawing the 2nd group.  I usually pull with Triple arrow or my stealthy shot.  You have to use cheap shot often and move left and right as to not draw the 2nd group.  The ones in the next room can be pulled with triple shot or miracle arrow.  You should be able to get them into view of the doorway.  If you want to do it faster, I suggest Touch of the Beholder to stun them.  It's not worth Phantasmic Visions for these.  I can do this instance in very close to 5 mins flat.  My gear isn't uber.  I'm still in my Fulginate Chain, because I haven't had the Plat to upgrade to a T6 armor yet.  Pristine Imbued Ironwood Longbow though.</p>

[Teksun]

<span><blockquote><hr>Qwexer wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Zendi wrote:<div></div>I just wanted to say there are some great responses to this thread, with no flaming.      Practical tips are what I look for in this forum, and this thread reminds me I need to setup that macro to switch stances with one button!<hr></blockquote></span>May I ask what the macro entails?<span>Woodfire and his trusty sidekick Splinters32 Ranger 75th RegimentHighkeep (soon to be crashing butcherblocks party)Servants of ElizurTrader of collectibles pst me anytime</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Hmmm... I always just double click the stance I want. First one clears the old stance, second click triggers the new stance...</span><div></div>

[Beldin_]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>kartikeya wrote:<div></div>Randomly, if you think this particular mission is bad for rangers, wait until you get the one to rescue the hostage. Holy claustrophobia, Batman. There are five mobs crammed into a space smaller than your average newbie inn room (1 group of three vvv mobs, at least one of which that can see invisible, and two single ^ mobs, both casters (and healers!). I've had several times where I've zoned into that only to be immediately jumped by the see invis mobs as well.<hr></blockquote>Yeah.. the one with the ^ - Patriach next to the door is really the badest one .. normally you can't shot him before he aggros .. and if you stun and step back  you may   get aggro from the groups behind :smileyindifferent:

[Gerdos]

<div></div><p>No offense, but If any ranger is struggling in these grifter instances, you just dont know how to play your class.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Deml]

<div></div><p>Gerdos - Those type of posts don't help, take them elsewhere. </p><p>Every instance is trivial for people who know the strategies for doing them.  If it's your first time trying something you're bound to struggle and have problems.  At 60 now, with different gear than when I was levelling and a whole new idea of how to do different situations with my character I look back at stuff I struggled with and boggle at how it was difficult, but at the time it WAS tough to solo some things.  Levels, gear, strategy make all the difference.  Probably in reverse order there of which is most important.</p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gerdos wrote:<div></div><p>No offense, but If any ranger is struggling in these grifter instances, you just dont know how to play your class.</p><p> </p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>And anyone who makes this their first post is not endearing themselves to anyone in their class forum....that is if you are indeed a ranger...SHENANIGANS!!!

[Gerdos]

<div>Oops.  Me bad.  Yes, i do apologise for my hard responce.  This is my 1st post, and yes, i am a ranger (alt).</div><div> </div><div>New to this forum, have been reading a lot of posts for 3 hrs, and am annoyed by so many doomsayers complaining about nerfs, or being attacked by other classes due to our high dps.  This was 1 of the last posts i read, and i guess i just felt compelled to say something, in responce to all those who complain about ranger nerfs in all the posts i've read.</div><div> </div><div>A 52 ranger would struggle more then a 60 ranger in these zones, but all instances are doable, regardless of the class or level.  Try different techniques if the usual method doesn't work.  If that doesnt help, work on upgrading some of your skills, gear then coming back.  Some of the grifter instances are more challenging then others, but, still workable.</div><div> </div><div>There are some very good contributors to this forum, and some ... who might need to rethink about their expectations to their class and the game.</div>

[hawk987]

Ok here is the thing, i see your using one poison in your buff bar. I reccomend running a damage with a stun while soloing.  Doing this 1st mob will be dead before it gets to you just spam range arts. Then cheap shot 2nd guy put up your temporary haste and temporary dps increase buffs and melee him down =)<div></div>

[Ronin]

Dont forget you have your trap also.....Place trap just out from corner while outside agro range, pull them into it and then move left or right whichever direction you can more to based on  layout. Then just bow down the other.Trap is your friend, as well as stun poisons. Also when facing groups of mobs like this where one or more are casters, I use the stifle poisons some as well. Cause even in traps in small spaces like this, your still in thier casting range. This is the only situation i really use stifle poisons also, Which keeps the mobs from using special abilities. Just open first shot to those mobs using a single arrow CA, then while the CA is firing swap targets. If you get lucky, stifle will proc from the first shot and make things easier.<div></div>

[Guy De Alsace]

Those tears ones are hard but once you figure out a strategy its a good feeling beating it. Dont forget you can always zone back out again if you are getting hammered. I always use Thorny Trap in multiple group situations like this. With the right placement you can pick off targets at leisure. IMO its one of the best CA's Rangers have and so far the only one thats enabled me to actually solo up-arrowed heroic group mobs.I did that hostage one fairly easily after figuring out that I needed to whack the group on the left first to give me room to hit the up-arrowed mobs with a nuke before they closed. Was hard but doable.I do have mostly cobalt gear and an ironwood bow though, that undoubtedly makes a big difference.<div></div>