Question to all Rangers

[Deml]

<div>Is it just me or are all the rest of you guys getting burnt out on having to defend our class at every post we make or every comment we make in game?  I'd like to think I've kept my complaining about changes in LU19 to a minimum.  I knew ahead of time a drop to our DPS was coming, I have for 6 months.  We knew the change to weapon procs was coming so that's no biggie.  I mentioned to my guild, the same thing I posted on these boards, about non-weapon procs no longer working.  The post on here, that I hoped to be a truthful post to hopefully get some decent feedback from the Dev's turned ugly quick.  My comments to my guild on the same thing resulted in a 30 minute long arguement between myself, a monk and a wizard in my guild because they "think rangers whine whenever anyone threatens to lower their dps" which I just don't see as the case.  Maybe I'm just looking at this from a narrow point of view but from the folks I've talked to in game, we all have pretty much the same view on the changes.  A lot were expected and we will live with them.  It just royally sucks that the impression I'm getting lately is that we, as Rangers, can't ask for any change or modification because whenever we do, the Dev's never get to see the true intent of the post, all they see is constant attacks on our class by members of the wizard, warlock, brigand, etc classes in the game.</div><div> </div><div>Yes, Rangers are high DPS and yes we can still dish out strong DPS numbers.  Does that mean we can't ask for bug fixes and changes in the game just like every other class does?  In the past 6 months I've not seen one thread from a ranger asking for any change that said to take anything away from another class, but instead ways to tweak and fix our own class.</div><div> </div><div>Guess I'm just rambling at this point but just had to babble/rant for a bit.</div>

[NovacaineExpre]

<div></div><p>I completely agree.  Since LU 13 I have seen so many classes refering to themselves as "broken." (Wiz's, Guardians, Assassins, etc.)  But when I rant a bit after LU 19 I am told to quit my whining?  I am sorry that I am upset that I spent hours/days/even months trying to get my gear to be the absolute best that it could be and to find out that it is now useless.  I think rangers have every right to complain now.  Call me a whiner or a baby that I am upset or whatever I don't care.  Will I get over it?  Of course.  I still think rangers are the best class suited for my play style and will continue to play the ranger no matter what happens to the class in the future. </p><p> </p>

[Cael]

<div></div><p>Yeah, 100% agree as well</p>

[Sirlutt]

I've made my Guardian my main specifically so I dont have to defend myself.. everyone knows Guards are gimped .. so they pity me. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><p>Good Points.  Great observations.</p><p>I too am seeing that we are labled whiners when changes to DPS come around.  I do not think our whining is any less than any other class when an update does not meat community expectation.</p><p>I believe we are targeted because alot of classes are envious to what we can do.  Dripping with envy I would say.  Every once in a while I visit the wizzard forumns and see the daily parse threads on how they were out dpsed by a ranger.  Monks whine dailey on how bruisers are supperior to them.  Wizzards whine cause warlocks out dps them on multi mob  encounters, in turn, warlocks whine cause wizzards out dps them on single target encounters.</p><p>I have played many alts over level 30 and few boards are as calm as ours with the exception of perhaps the brigands.  They are playing the our class sucks ticket knowing they are very happy where they are.</p><p> </p>

[Gareorn]

<div>Actually, this has never come up in-game for me.  But, I can't imagine that anyone in my guild would be happy about a reduction in capability to any class because it affects the entire guild.  I guess we are a little different than most.  The poison proc nerf affects the DPS of all predators and rogues in the guild and therefore affects the DPS of the entire raid party.  The proc nerf to the bows affect all the Rangers in the guild and therfore affects the DPS of the entire raid party.</div><div> </div><div>I can't imagine anyone in my guild would be so self-centered that they lose sight of the big picture.  As a matter of fact, the only people I've ever heard call for another class to be nerfed is the wizards, warlocks, berzerkers, etc. who troll the Ranger forums.</div>

[BtilTheMage]

<div>"Yes, Rangers are high DPS and yes we can still dish out strong DPS numbers.  Does that mean we can't ask for bug fixes and changes in the game just like every other class does?  In the past 6 months I've not seen one thread from a ranger asking for any change that said to take anything away from another class, but instead ways to tweak and fix our own class"</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Issues should be dealt with in the order of importance.  SOE has things far more importent than the minor bugs of the Ranger class to deal with.  You guys are in great shape at the moment, back of the line.</font></div>

[BtilTheMage]

<div><div>"I can't imagine anyone in my guild would be so self-centered that they lose sight of the big picture.  As a matter of fact, the only people I've ever heard call for another class to be nerfed is the wizards, warlocks, berzerkers, etc. who troll the Ranger forums."</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Summoners have to deal with it too.  There is a reason people are speaking out.  When the problem is fixed, I'll stop trying to get it fixed.  Until then, you'll have to make room for me on the couch.</font></div></div>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Demlar wrote:<div>Is it just me or are all the rest of you guys getting burnt out on having to defend our class at every post we make or every comment we make in game?  I'd like to think I've kept my complaining about changes in LU19 to a minimum.  I knew ahead of time a drop to our DPS was coming, I have for 6 months.  We knew the change to weapon procs was coming so that's no biggie.  I mentioned to my guild, the same thing I posted on these boards, about non-weapon procs no longer working.  The post on here, that I hoped to be a truthful post to hopefully get some decent feedback from the Dev's turned ugly quick.  My comments to my guild on the same thing resulted in a 30 minute long arguement between myself, a monk and a wizard in my guild because they "think rangers whine whenever anyone threatens to lower their dps" which I just don't see as the case.  Maybe I'm just looking at this from a narrow point of view but from the folks I've talked to in game, we all have pretty much the same view on the changes.  A lot were expected and we will live with them.  It just royally sucks that the impression I'm getting lately is that we, as Rangers, can't ask for any change or modification because whenever we do, the Dev's never get to see the true intent of the post, all they see is constant attacks on our class by members of the wizard, warlock, brigand, etc classes in the game.</div><div> </div><div><font color="#66ffcc">Yes, Rangers are high DPS and yes we can still dish out strong DPS numbers.  Does that mean we can't ask for bug fixes and changes in the game just like every other class does?  In the past 6 months I've not seen one thread from a ranger asking for any change that said to take anything away from another class, but instead ways to tweak and fix our own class.</font></div><div><font color="#66ffcc"></font> </div><div><font color="#66ffcc">Guess I'm just rambling at this point but just had to babble/rant for a bit.</font></div><hr></blockquote><p>I am sorry that you were flamed for that, discussing fixes and changes arent discouraged as far as I can see.  From experience with you Demlar I dont think you would whine.  And it sucks royally when a post is invaded by the arguments of others.  I hope you keep posting your thoughts about our class and how you think we can improve.  You have proved to be a valuable member of the community and are very insightful.</p><p>I read your post about the LU19 from a rangers perspective...I thought it to be provocative and asked important questions.  What I thought made it more insightful and creditable than other posts is that you were trying to gain your peers ideas on those changes...</p><p>for anyone to say questioning changes and whether or not certain happenings are bugs or intended as they are is wrong and to flame you for it is just silly.  I hope all of this takes a turn for the better...</p><p>I look forward to more of your posts...as well as the civilized discussion it hopefully generates.</p><p>Take care Demlar</p><p> </p>

[illum]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div><div>"I can't imagine anyone in my guild would be so self-centered that they lose sight of the big picture.  As a matter of fact, the only people I've ever heard call for another class to be nerfed is the wizards, warlocks, berzerkers, etc. who troll the Ranger forums."</div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Summoners have to deal with it too.  There is a reason people are speaking out.  When the problem is fixed, I'll stop trying to get it fixed.  Until then, you'll have to make room for me on the couch.</font></div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Want a fluffy pillow with that seat?  :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>It's nice to see another class who understands that it's not that rangers were necessarily broken, but that several of the other classes are.  My guardian has been reduced to carpenter (lol...not much difference), zerker is my main warrior class, wizard my main mage class, and ranger (i've got a monk, but he's basically a provisioner).  The ranger of all the classes needed to be fixed the LEAST.  From what I could see, the wizard class while still VERY strong, needed some minor tweaks that would have fixed them...convert a few spells to ice based damage instead of fire, and reduce the timer for cast/restore....simple fix instead of breaking combat by trying to nerf rangers.  Now I see healers and mages proc'ing off spells, as a MT, I'm having more difficutly holding aggro...but then again, I'm a mediocre tank...I get the job done, but I digress...roots are sucking for my wizards (adept 3), lost some ice spells, gained more fire (yay...that'll help me against those fire resistent mobs :smileytongue<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, and the timers still suck.</p><p>My ranger will gladly sit at the back of the line for fixes...i didn't have any issues with my ranger other than i didn't think we should be wearing chain armor :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Stigch]

<div></div><p>The outcries will die down when rangers get flapping cloaks and deep mysterious hoods to run around in. Which, aparantly, is just around the corner. It's all a matter of headology. Take something away and people feel wronged, give them back something shiny and sparkly and they forget. This is the bases of all religion (well, that and mortal fear).</p><p>When you say your class in broken you consider this process to be a fault of the designer. The designer might have intended this for very good reasons. And even if the reason is not valid, it is their world afterall. It clearly says so. What people should realise is that nothing is static in an environment like eq2. Things are added constantly. Some things change your game experience for the good, others are not so good. That's part of fun of it in my opinion. A new challenge. Never a dull moment. It also teaches you that you can't rely on anything. Your expensive armor might be uber this day and useless the next.</p><p>That being said I personally dislike the fact they keep changing the whole mechanic of the game. Instead of fixing and tweaking, they simply replace all the skills with a whole new set. I really wonder what the big benefit of this is. And from a roleplaying point of view I really like the class progression. Why did they rip that out? To make the game more accessible? It was perfectly accesible as it was. I do wonder how many people actually shaped their decision for a class on the progression before. I for one always knew I wanted to make a ranger. You picked your starter class from the beginning so you're pretty much set. I would have liked 10 levels of a general class and a system that advises what you used most and analyses your tactics and comes out with 'you might want to try wizardry'. Anyway, that's neither here nor there.</p><p>Point is, that change is a challenge. Relearning how best to play your class is a welcome diversion from the grind.</p>

[Niuan]

<div></div>aye aye well said Stigchel !!

[Qwexer]

<span><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><p>The outcries will die down when rangers get <font color="#ff0000">flapping cloaks and deep mysterious hoods to run around in</font>. Which, aparantly, is just around the corner. It's all a matter of headology.</p><hr></blockquote>I still want my forest green spandex tights!!!! I dont care if you think they're cheesy!!!!<span>Woodfire and his trusty sidekick Splinters31 Ranger 75th RegimentHighkeep (soon to be crashing butcherblocks party)Servants of ElizurTrader of collectibles pst me anytime</span></span><div></div>