Hail thee fellow rangers...

[StealthM0]

<div></div><div></div><div>I am back in eq2 again.</div><div> </div><div>Gave it up for a while at the end of september due to real life reasons. Got time again to play and getting back into eq2 today.</div><div> </div><div>I remember how "fun" the ranger was right after lu13.</div><div> </div><div>Are we still a plagued class?</div><div> </div><div>I am noticing some new "changes" to the system and can only hope I have enough platinum to serve in this new world (poisons proccin faster?). Is my mostly legendary tier5 gear going to be good enough to get me to 50? Or am I going to need to raid a lot to get decent gear?</div><div> </div><div>What ca/ability wise has changed for us since lu13, if anything?</div><div> </div><div>I see they re-nerfed arrow type/class again. Did they ever implement queing for arrow crafting (woodworkers)? And did they introduce queing for poison crafting yet? I ask cause I used to use mostly legendary (ebon) arrows for my raids. But from the nerfing I read around these forums it was re-nerfed and rare arrows no longer matter again?</div><div> </div><div>What ca's 42-45 are worth getting adept 3 in? I currently have about 4plat on my toon from before. Prolly going to get some ad3 upgrades, but not sure what has changed since lu13 that might want me to upgrade something to ad3.</div><div> </div><div>Is it true the PGT is nerfed? I am still using this as my 2nd hand weapon at 43! 8(</div><div> </div><div>Has any of this gear been super nerfed?</div><div> </div><div>Imbued ebon chain spaulders</div><div>Imbued ebon chain leggings</div><div>Imbued cedar longbow</div><div>Imbued ebon leafblade</div><div>PGT</div><div> </div><div>I heard a rumor that legendary gear is now better then fabled gear in most cases is this true?</div><div> </div><div>Far as poisons anything new added that a t5 ranger might want to use? I am a legendary poison junkie, so if anything new is out there please let me know.</div><div> </div><div>Did they ever implement arrow quivers to have a backup stack?</div><div> </div><div>Lasty, any new fabled/legendary/mythical ranger gear I should look out for on my way to 50?</div><div> </div><div>I am on bayle and could use some help re-learning the ropes so to speak. I'll be camping out in feerrott for a while until I get my game down. So if you need a hand or have some advice/rares you don't want, send me a tell! <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Good to see you all again. I hope the old heads like RStahl are still around.</div><p>Message Edited by StealthM0de on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:31 AM</span></p>

[Zholain]

<div><span><blockquote><hr><font size="2">StealthM0de wrote:</font><div><font size="2">Are we still a plagued class?<font color="#ffff00">We are an wonderful class.  LU13 put us where we should have been in the first place.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">I am noticing some new "changes" to the system and can only hope I have enough platinum to serve in this new world (poisons proccin faster?). Is my mostly legendary tier5 gear going to be good enough to get me to 50? Or am I going to need to raid a lot to get decent gear?<font color="#ffff00">Legendary t5 gear will get you to 50 and beyond.  But you'll definitely want to consider some upgrades before level 54.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">What ca/ability wise has changed for us since lu13, if anything?<font color="#ffff00">Honestly, too much to go into.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">I see they re-nerfed arrow type/class again. Did they ever implement queing for arrow crafting (woodworkers)? And did they introduce queing for poison crafting yet? I ask cause I used to use mostly legendary (ebon) arrows for my raids. But from the nerfing I read around these forums it was re-nerfed and rare arrows no longer matter again?<font color="#ffff00">This was a bug that was fixed in Saturday's patch.  It will still display incorrectly until the next update, however.  All arrows were given a level of 1, which of course screwed their damage.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">What ca's 42-45 are worth getting adept 3 in? I currently have about 4plat on my toon from before. Prolly going to get some ad3 upgrades, but not sure what has changed since lu13 that might want me to upgrade something to ad3.<font color="#ffff00">Personally, I would wait until 47 to start upgrading.  Every skill before level 47 will be replaced in t6.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Is it true the PGT is nerfed? I am still using this as my 2nd hand weapon at 43! 8(<font color="#ffff00">Melee weapons will not longer proc off of our bows.  This includes legendary, fabled, etc.  This was a result of LU19.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Has any of this gear been super nerfed?</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Imbued ebon chain spaulders</font></div><div><font size="2">Imbued ebon chain leggings</font></div><div><font size="2">Imbued cedar longbow</font></div><div><font size="2">Imbued ebon leafblade</font></div><div><font size="2">PGT<font color="#ffff00">No.  You're in good shape all the way into t6.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">I heard a rumor that legendary gear is now better then fabled gear in most cases is this true?<font color="#ffff00">This is a reference to some of the fabled in t6.  SOE honestly has a poor loot table for t6.  Much of the legendary gear you will find in DoF is better in some ways than the fabled.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Far as poisons anything new added that a t5 ranger might want to use? I am a legendary poison junkie, so if anything new is out there please let me know.<font color="#ffff00">Also a result of LU19.  Poisons appear to proc a LOT more, therefore don't last nearly as long.  This is most likely an unintended bug, but no one know for sure.  Poisons are changing drastically with KoS expansion.  You'll want to check the devs(Beghn) comments on this.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Did they ever implement arrow quivers to have a backup stack?<font color="#ffff00">Yes we have quivers now, but they are not like the endless quivers of EQ1.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Lasty, any new fabled/legendary/mythical ranger gear I should look out for on my way to 50?<font color="#ffff00">No mythical that anyone is aware of.  The Peacock Club series of quests award the t6 version of prismatic weapons, but there's no bow.</font></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">I am on bayle and could use some help re-learning the ropes so to speak. I'll be camping out in feerrott for a while until I get my game down. So if you need a hand or have some advice/rares you don't want, send me a tell! <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Good to see you all again. I hope the old heads like RStahl are still around.</font></div><p><font size="2">Message Edited by StealthM0de on <span class="date_text">02-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:31 AM</span></font></p><hr></blockquote><font size="2">Sorry my responses were a bit brief, but quite honestly there have been a LOT of changes along with/since LU13.  If I tried to go into detail, this post would be about 10 pages long.</font></span></div>

[BtilTheMage]

<p><font color="#cc0033">Rangers are overpowered at the moment and in the process of being fixed.</font></p>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p><font color="#cc0033">Rangers are overpowered at the moment and in the process of being fixed.</font></p><p></p><hr><p>Man what is your problem. You have been trolling these Ranger boards all day. Get a life and go away. You are jsut a jealous paper mage that wags their finger. I would think that you would be better served posting on the mage boards about construtive ways to fix your class.</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Darn Stealth.  I nearly forgot.  Welcome Back !!!</font><div></div>

[KnightOfTheWo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div></div><p><font color="#cc0033">Rangers are overpowered at the moment and in the process of being fixed.</font></p><p></p><hr><p>Man what is your problem. You have been trolling these Ranger boards all day. Get a life and go away. You are jsut a jealous paper mage that wags their finger. I would think that you would be better served posting on the mage boards about construtive ways to fix your class.</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p><hr></blockquote>Unfortunately the only way to respond is not to respond. Eventually the various trolls will go away...but for now we will have to focus on issues that Rangers understand, and others who have not played our class do not. Getting into a discussion with the trolls only incites them to come back.Best of luck...<span>:smileyhappy:</span></span></div>

[Carna]

<div></div><p>While the statement was inflamatory it was never the less very useful feedback to a Ranger returning to the game. Less antagonistic might have been to say that Rangers are the top damage dealers at the moment but it would appear that the devs are intent upon adjusting them. Whatever perspective you come from, it's the kind of thing a Ranger coming back would want to know.</p>

[BtilTheMage]

<div></div><div><font color="#cc0033">I'll reword my post to be nicer.</font></div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Until Sorcerers get fixed Rangers are the best damage dealers.</font></div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">SOE is taking the easy road out and fixing Rangers and Summoners instead of Sorcerers though.</font></div>

[StealthM0]

<div>Thank you all for the replies. Especially thank Catareina for the quick and to the point replies.</div><div> </div><div>I have a few days of reading ahead of me (changelogs) and I seem to be lagging all over norrath (bayle).</div><div> </div><div>I like the new quiver, within 10 mins of first logon in months my favorite tailor pms me and asks if I have any superb pelts or augmented leather. I said no, why, he explained about the quivers and needless to say for 5g (pelt) plus 5g=I now have a nice 18 slot quiver (more bag/box room for harvesting rares!).</div><div> </div><div>I didn't get into too much melee/ranged combat. All I did as a matter of fact was to help some poor sole in Feerrott who was about to die (he had a mob or two of the beach apes). I had no poisons on, regular makeshift feyiron arrows, and all I can say is with just base bow ca's (tier5) and melee for 5 x lvl 38 beach apes=they got slaughtered. I'd hate to see how fast they go down with poisons.</div><div> </div><div>The pgt I can get over (as well as the melee aspect) most of my damage comes from adept 3 in all categories and legendary poisons anyway.</div><div> </div><div>So I'll get a SSOY and add it to my leafblade for the close in fighting, and I will snap back and release my adept 3 (just got these made tonight) culling the herd (500-900dmg+slow 54% WHAT!?!), run in hit them with blazing thrust (the 2nd ad3 I had made today, heat dmg mmm!), pop a cheap shot on em, back out to bow range and unleash hell (yes as you can see when I get to 50 and get SoA its all over).</div><div> </div><div><img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>I think though I am going to get me some more ebon armor. To keep this skinny elfie alive.</div><div> </div><div>Any t5 bows with better procs then a cedar imbued longbow?</div><div> </div><div>And at 44 we get a master 2 choice. Since I have adept 3 in every ca ability from 1-43 I guess I should just take the lvl 44 ca and upgrade it to m2? I mean otherwise I just wasted ad3 right?</div><div> </div><div>And far as they are replaced at higher levels. No worries. I have been grooming this character with adepts since the island (And believe it or not this is my only toon no alts) I want to one day say I have adept 3 in everything and master in everything else.</div><div> </div><div>ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY RARES HAVE DROPPED IN PRICE!!! OMG. I was stunned when I saw how CHEAP ruby/rhodium/ebon has become. Market competition has come a LONG way from lu13. I bought 3 rubies today for 1p20g. That is like buying one and getting two free! (Ruby/rhodium was 80g-1p15g circa lu13 for those that don't know). I have to go harvesting to see if the drop rate increased any for good t5 rares (not the luminous crap).</div><div> </div><div>Far as DoF I don't have it, I was planning on getting KoS but I might hold off for now (almost pre-ordered KoS today). DoF is ok dont get me wrong. But I hear a lot of negative things about it.</div><div> </div><div>And whats with the PVP servers? Wasn't pvp in DoF via arenas? So are arenas/pvp going to all servers or just the KoS expansion owners (I recall anyone could duel anyone before, what aspect of PVP is changing?).</div><div> </div><div>Lastly, the moves, the lag, the.....I see sony is doing a server consolidation. And some awesome lag showing up on Antonia Bayle tonight, 5-8min chat lag is the norm from what I hear (scuttlebutt). SoE is aware of the problem courtesy of blackguard (see bayle forums in lag thread), but its obviously something in lu19 that caused the lag nerf. Why not just roll it back (fix mail, fix lag, fix balancing complaints, fix poisons (if they are indeed broken)) till they get a more stable version that can withstand test and a lu?</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Zholain]

<div></div><font size="2">LOL  Aye, prices have come down a LOT, and that is primarily because the drop rate has been increased in all tiers.On the subject of DoF, as far as expansions go, it feels kinda smallish.  The content within it however is pretty good.  There's a new heritage, a quest for a free carpet that's just as fast as the purchased horses.  There's a loooong prismatic 2.0 quest series which the value of the end reward to a ranger is questionable.  And the loot table for DoF just stinks.  There is one t6 fabled bow called Darkfury.  It's stats are good, but it has no proc at all.  It drops off the Black Queen in the Shimmering Citadel raid instance.  I'm not sure how they're going to work around this, but I perceive leveling from 50 - 60 to be problematic without DoF.  We'll see.If you're guilded, you should really begin the quests for prismatic 1.0.  Many of those drakotas leading up do Darathar, and Darathar himself, have a rare chance to drop the Valian Bow.  It is arguably the best bow in the game because of it's proc damage/rate.  It's a t5 bow, and there a quite a few rangers still using it at 60, including me.</font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zholain on <span class="date_text">02-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:09 AM</span></p>

[SmEaGoLLuM]

<span><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<p><font color="#cc0033">Rangers are overpowered at the moment and in the process of being fixed.</font></p><hr></blockquote>What exactly was the point of this post? To illustrate or signify what?As a fellow warlock, I advise you to continue to /bug and /feedback the warlock's issues in game instead of implying this kind of stuff on the forums.</span><div></div>

[Teksun]

<span><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div></div><div><font color="#cc0033">I'll reword my post to be nicer.</font></div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Until Sorcerers get fixed Rangers are the best damage dealers.</font></div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">SOE is taking the easy road out and fixing Rangers and Summoners instead of Sorcerers though.</font></div><hr></blockquote>group with a summoner lately? They out DPS me all the time... why don't you go to their forums for a while and leave us alone...tyvm</span><div></div>

[StealthM0]

<blockquote><hr>Zholain wrote:<div></div><font size="2">LOL  Aye, prices have come down a LOT, and that is primarily because the drop rate has been increased in all tiers.On the subject of DoF, as far as expansions go, it feels kinda smallish.  The content within it however is pretty good.  There's a new heritage, a quest for a free carpet that's just as fast as the purchased horses.  There's a loooong prismatic 2.0 quest series which the value of the end reward to a ranger is questionable.  And the loot table for DoF just stinks.  There is one t6 fabled bow called Darkfury.  It's stats are good, but it has no proc at all.  It drops off the Black Queen in the Shimmering Citadel raid instance.  I'm not sure how they're going to work around this, but I perceive leveling from 50 - 60 to be problematic without DoF.  We'll see.If you're guilded, you should really begin the quests for prismatic 1.0.  Many of those drakotas leading up do Darathar, and Darathar himself, have a rare chance to drop the Valian Bow.  It is arguably the best bow in the game because of it's proc damage/rate.  It's a t5 bow, and there a quite a few rangers still using it at 60, including me.</font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zholain on <span class="date_text">02-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:09 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><div>Thanks again catereina.</div><div> </div><div>Far as the valian bow...they changed it from an alternate loot drop to the operation green hood quest? I remember valian and bloodlet bows were the two choices you had as rewards in the quest depending on which npc you turned the quest into in zek. This changed?</div><div> </div><div>Far as DoF, KoS...By the smallishness many people have spoken of, I can only assume DoF was rushed to compete with wow's expansion. I fear KoS will be a repeat of the same. KoS is being released almost the same day as Dungeon and Dragons Online.</div>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Actually, you must be thinking about the Sureshot Bow.  That one was an alternate to the Bloodlet.  Those I think are now of Treasured quality, whereas the Valian Bow is a fabled piece with a 12% chance to proc 200-ish poison damage.  It can only be gotten via raiding.</font><div></div>

[StealthM0]

<div>You are correct.</div>

[Stigch]

<div></div><p>In all honesty, having batttle tested the new changes in a 2 hour solo session last night, rangers are a tiny bit over powered. Not that I mind obviously but when you got your game on, it's just to easy. My findings</p><p>1) Poisons appear to wear of every half our. It all depends on how many times it proces. I have yet to see a fight where it does not proc at least once. This would indicate that a poison with 200 procs would last for 200 fights, but this is very defenitely not the case. So every round of ascending or decending periodic might count as a proc. That would be something to fix.</p><p>2) Mobs one or two levels below my own (in this case I'm 24, hunting 23/22 bears, griffs, deer and the likes) tend to fall before they reach me. With my inbued fir long bow (never seen that one proc at all yet) and standard carbonite arrows using the heat arrow thingy that replaced open shot (is it heat strike?) and ole faithfull wounding arrow, they hardly ever get into rage. When they do, a simple lunge is enough to push them over. This would seem a bit to easy to me.</p><p>3) I picked shadow lunge (or in any case the skill that replaces shadowblade at 24, the stealth skill) to bump to master II. If mobs do manage to reach me with a fair amount of health left, a flanking to stealth - stealth dmg combination takes away at least 2,5 bubs of health. So betweeen the arrows and stepping in, mobs fall in seconds.</p><p>So that's what a ranger can do with the standard skills and poisons. Nothing special, no special procs, no haste, no nothing. Never mind what a ranger can do with high tier weapons and armor, combined with skills like stream of arrows and the likes. Saying that rangers are not overpowered is stretching the truth a fair bit. Saying that ranger power is a bad thing is obviously relative. This is what rangers do. We kill swiftly and deftly. No ranger is history every took on a long melee fight with a deer. Deer fall with one arrow, traditionally. Better be a damm good shot then.</p><p>Anyway, just to throw in my two coppers. Ranger power, tiny bit excessive, not a major problem. Poison burn rate tiny bit excessive, not a problem, a fix would be nice.</p>

[GoNom]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><p>In all honesty, having batttle tested the new changes in a 2 hour solo session last night, rangers are a tiny bit over powered. Not that I mind obviously but when you got your game on, it's just to easy. My findings</p><p>1) Poisons appear to wear of every half our. It all depends on how many times it proces. I have yet to see a fight where it does not proc at least once. This would indicate that a poison with 200 procs would last for 200 fights, but this is very defenitely not the case. So every round of ascending or decending periodic might count as a proc. That would be something to fix.<font color="#cc00ff">This is something we are all /bug 'ing to, join the /bug party because it appears that they are just not lasting</font></p><p>2) Mobs one or two levels below my own (in this case I'm 24, hunting 23/22 bears, griffs, deer and the likes) tend to fall before they reach me. With my inbued fir long bow (never seen that one proc at all yet) and standard carbonite arrows using the heat arrow thingy that replaced open shot (is it heat strike?) and ole faithfull wounding arrow, they hardly ever get into rage. When they do, a simple lunge is enough to push them over. This would seem a bit to easy to me.<font color="#cc00ff">This is normal, Blue mobs have always dropped before getting to me, legendary Equipped some Ad3 skills and I can usually kill blues before they kinow what hit them.  You sould try focus'ing on yellow (no arrows) for solo XP, they will offer more of a challenge and yeild much better XP.  At 56 I can get 20% an hour soloing.</font></p><p>3) I picked shadow lunge (or in any case the skill that replaces shadowblade at 24, the stealth skill) to bump to master II. If mobs do manage to reach me with a fair amount of health left, a flanking to stealth - stealth dmg combination takes away at least 2,5 bubs of health. So betweeen the arrows and stepping in, mobs fall in seconds.<font color="#cc00ff">Wise choice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Its a great skill line, the only time I didn't take it as my Master II advancement was at 54 I took Stealthy fire.  Hits for 2600.hehe  Whammo!</font></p><p>So that's what a ranger can do with the standard skills and poisons. Nothing special, no special procs, no haste, no nothing. Never mind what a ranger can do with high tier weapons and armor, combined with skills like stream of arrows and the likes. Saying that rangers are not overpowered is stretching the truth a fair bit. Saying that ranger power is a bad thing is obviously relative. This is what rangers do. We kill swiftly and deftly. No ranger is history every took on a long melee fight with a deer. Deer fall with one arrow, traditionally. Better be a damm good shot then.<font color="#cc00ff">To say we are overpowered is a major overstatement, can Ranger's solo T6 INstances?  Nope, not even before the Stream "Fix".  Yet Coercers/Illusionist and Conjies/Necro's do regularly.  Is that over powered?  So relative or not regardless of the damage we do, it still has limitations such as stealth, positioning and range.  Those limitations make the class unique, in that respect.  In the sense that know other class has to be in such a sweet spot to maximize damage.  Mages can just stand there and obliterate a mob pounding there skull in.  We lose our most powerfull resource in that same environment.</font></p><p>Anyway, just to throw in my two coppers. Ranger power, tiny bit excessive, not a major problem. Poison burn rate tiny bit excessive, not a problem, a fix would be nice.<font color="#cc00ff">Agree to an extent, but as powerfull as we are, the class is still extremely challenging to play and requires, IMO the most skill to play, but I am probably a biased oppinion on that front:smileywink:</font></p><hr></blockquote><p>Message Edited by GoNomar on <span class="date_text">02-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:09 AM</span></p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><p>Welcome Back Stealthmode!!</p><p>Saihung</p>