Stance: Archer's Stance and Poisons.

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><div>Ever since LU#19, i have been going through poisons like crazy, and i believe it is from this new stance.</div><div> </div><div>This stance gives you a 30% chance to do melee damage and can also make poison proc ...</div><div> </div><div>This can make for some very good DPS but it takes one charge of poison in around 10 minutes.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>PLEASE make poison not proc with this ><</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Edit: Not to mention i am getting way too much agro with this.</div><p>Message Edited by Sphiriah on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:37 PM</span></p>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><div>your joking right?</div>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div><div>your joking right?</div><hr></blockquote>Uh, no?

[arkkon]

<div>He forgot to mention that our offensive stance does not decrease our parry skill even though it says it does in the description.</div><div>He also forgot to mention he is a lvl 15 ranger.</div><div> </div><div>I have the exact same procs as every other ranger.  Welcome to the piece of shi t ranger club.</div><div>Here come the posts frmo softcore rangers who will give us their opinions.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Stormhawk]

<div></div>You are probably the only person on the planet, nay universe, that wants that change.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Stormhawk on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:04 PM</span></p>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div>I am a level 29 ranger, and sorry if i don't like going through a full vial of poison every 30 minutes.

[killema]

Easy enough fix is to turn the stance off.<div></div>

[Turtle]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>killema11 wrote:Easy enough fix is to turn the stance off.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>LoL! Yup that works or just dont use poisons as often.  Procs = Damage = What Rangers Are Made For! Costly yes, but everything comes at a cost :smileyhappy:</p>

[arkkon]

<div>Its how they made the game.  Rangers dps is all poisons.</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by arkkon on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:57 PM</span></p>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>arkkon wrote:<div>OP = idiot</div><div> </div><div>OP = the common failure at life</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>My apologies .. i suppose i'll go put 50 [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing platinum into poison at level 29.

[Sphiriah]

<div>Honestly, I don't know what i said to [Removed for Content] everyone off.</div><div> </div><div>Lower level rangers never got this type of stance before, and i am sorry if i dislike having to buy poison every 5 minutes.</div>

[Siphar]

<div></div><div></div><div>i never even really used poison until late 30's early 40's and i still soloed most of it and got atleast 1-2 levels a night. I really only used posions at your level on named and special mobs. You really do cruise through the early levels so fast. Its a shame you missed the PGT proc off bow if they fixed that in LU19... not been on since servers went live on LU19..</div><div> </div><div>I agree with the people here, turn off ya offensive stance, buy/use less poison or make an alchemist. or even make friends with one or join a guild.</div><div> </div><div>Since like lvl 50 i have only used rare poisons, because of my guild and contacts at bare minimum cost. I am also smart to keep my loams from spell upgrades.</div><div> </div><div>- 60 Nerf'd Ranger</div><div>- 57 Pally</div><div>- Kithikor  Server</div><p>Message Edited by Siphar on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:20 PM</span></p>

[Zendi_Perma]

<div></div><p>Some details on the poison proc rate change.    I just went through 200 proc, 25% proc rate rare poison in exactly 30 minutes soloing white,yellow, and blue mobs.   That same poison lasted for hours yesterday.    Guess the alchemists will do good business, and good thing I have an alchemist and jeweler alt.. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Qwexer]

I dont understand the mentality of "I dont like this" or "I dont agree with this so change it". I dont mean to sound insulting but if you dont like or agree than dont do it, DONT complain about potentially getting it changed/nerfed because you disagree.  I use poison since I was mid 20's and other than occasions of grinding with a ADHD tank taunting everything in sight, my poison last at least a few hours.  Maybe I dont go though it a much as you but if your using THAT much than obviously you are getting coin from those MOB's you killed and are breaking even if not more on the second MOB.  Poison and Proc's are Rangers bread and butter; dont ask SOE to change that, change yourself.  This is not intended to be a flame but just my humble opinion.<span>Highkeep (soon to be crashing butcherblocks party)/Ranger/Woodfire 75th RegimentTrader of collectibles pst me anytime</span><div></div>

[Zendi_Perma]

<div></div>If they want to change something fine.   Just don't stealth nerf and change things without announcing it  that is my point.   In these cases, there is always a chance that they just screwed up, and it wasn't by design. 

[Merkad]

lol, this is an amusing post. Suffice to say, I do not concur.Merkades, 60th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[King Leor]

<div></div><div>Oh god please have this post wiped off the forums completely...lol. Make it so poisons dont proc off stance attack?? your crazy. I dont care if you dont like to spend the money, dont try to nerf us. (and yes..it would be a nerf). Oh and while your at it, why dont you say how unhappy you are now that we dont lose poisons after death???</div><div> </div><div>Leoric</div><div>Level 60 ranger</div><p>Message Edited by King Leoric on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:47 PM</span></p>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div>Honestly, I don't know what i said to [Removed for Content] everyone off.</div><div> </div><div>Lower level rangers never got this type of stance before, and i am sorry if i dislike having to buy poison every 5 minutes.</div><hr></blockquote>Don't worry about it, most people on Rangers forum are fine.  You get @rse holes everywhere.  They just assume everyone is in a large guild, that raids often and that OF COURSE you have loads of coin for poisens and have alchemists in your guild.  If you don't have a '60' in your sig they look down on your and assume you are stupid.  The rest of us will help and advise as best we can.<b><u>Summary</u></b>Not saying I agree with you, just saying that most the subsequent posts were by people who should learn to express themselves without being so rude.</span><div></div>

[Nulad]

It has to be said though that I get what the OP is trying to say (badly) that we have just been steath taxed for our DPS.  I have no problem with paying for my poisons but to continually increase our dependancy on them with no way of obtaining them without additional cost is just wrong, how long before we all start wearing placards saying 'No job too big or small, need money for poisons' or maybe we should just start charging groups by the hour <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Nul.<div></div>

[Sete Soujiro]

<blockquote><hr>Zendi wrote:<div></div><p>Some details on the poison proc rate change.    I just went through 200 proc, 25% proc rate rare poison in exactly 30 minutes soloing white,yellow, and blue mobs.   That same poison lasted for hours yesterday.    Guess the alchemists will do good business, and good thing I have an alchemist and jeweler alt.. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>There was a bug after they changed poisons from disappering from you after death, that would let you proc way more than 200 procs.

[Stigch]

<div></div><p>Hell breaking loose, in every way possible, is what the offensive stance is for. That's the whole idea. Granted, you'll be digging a swimming pool with a nuclear bomb. The trick is not to dig swimming pools anymore, go for oceans.</p><p>This from a 25 ranger that hasn't had the opportunity to get in after the patch. I did frown for most of the patch message. The whole point of eq2 with the class progression and the island of refuse (as we call it) is sorta gone now. I really liked that. People talk about dumbing down the game, this is not dumbing it down, but it does (once again) cater to the hardcore hit-and-run crowd and leaves us hardcore roleplayers in the dust. I really had high hopes for eq2 not going this route.</p><p>What we are left with now is a completely different game that uses the same engine and most of the old content, but in totally new and different ways. I have yet to form an opinion on this, but the patch message did not make me smile (apart from a few badly needed bug fixes of course).</p>

[Cael]

<div></div><p>Sphi, the stance is where our dps comes from. The stance and the way that it procs and procs poison.</p><p>You take that away, you put us back to the [Removed for Content] we were pre LU13 except this time we cant kite.</p><p>If you dont have the coin, dont use the poison. The stance will still proc its own melee attack without poison. There is no rule of the game that you HAVE to use poisons all the time. Now granted, if you dont, your dps will suffer immensely, but...that decision is up to you. That is where the skill of playing a ranger comes from. Dont go all out all the time. Go slow, let the tank get good aggro before you let loose. As a new ranger its something you'll have to learn. H ell, at 55 I STILL pull aggro, but it is my own fault (most of the time) for not controlling my dps. It is not a fault of the system. Get used to controlling your CA's and your damage. Tanks have to learn how to taunt, priests to heal, mages to root and nuke. We have to learn how to control ourselves. That is the life of the ranger. Welcome to it. If you dont like it, you are only 15, before you had to wait almost to become 30 before you REALLY bacame a ranger. If you dont like where you are, or the class, now is the time to reroll, cause poisons just get more and more expensive.</p><p>And this isnt a stealth nerf. This isnt a nerf. This isnt even a change. Its the way its been since LU13.</p><p>People kind of jumped your [Removed for Content] because the stance and it proccing poison is our bread and butter for dps. And DPS is our one and only function.</p><p>The ranger community is a very kind and nice one, probably the best one in the game. This recent patch nerfed us a little bit and I think everyone is a little testy. So, if you think people are being rude, theyre just on edge :smileyhappy:</p>

[Ranja]

<div>I am going to have jump in here to and offer some advice. You can go to S Qeynos and buy npc made posions for something like 20s at your level. There is no need to buy player made posions at your level. I went all the way to 40 with NPC made posions just because I did not have the money to afford them. Once I started generating money, which is easy to do post 40, I went and started buying player made. The SQ shop has posions all the way through t5. And, as others said, you dont need posions running. Your offense stance has a proc of its own.</div><div> </div><div>But, please for the love of god dont come here and demand a nerf on our main ability that gives us our DPS. Learn how to play your class correctly and adjust. I hate it when people don't like something and instead of adjusting they demand it to be changed for them. it is like the poster who wanted heroic raptors removed from the SS because he wanted to solo gnolls peacefully. Jeez...</div><div> </div><div>A better way to word your post would have been - I noticed my posion procs of my offensive stance and I am running out of posion quickly. What do any of the more epxerienced rangers suggest I do? See the difference one is asking for advice and the other is a whiny post demanding something be changed for you.</div><div> </div><div>Elbryan60 RangerBlind Guardians</div><div>Everfrost</div>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div>I am going to have jump in here to and offer some advice. You can go to S Qeynos and buy npc made posions for something like 20s at your level. There is no need to buy player made posions at your level. I went all the way to 40 with NPC made posions just because I did not have the money to afford them. Once I started generating money, which is easy to do post 40, I went and started buying player made. The SQ shop has posions all the way through t5. And, as others said, you dont need posions running. Your offense stance has a proc of its own.</div><div> </div><div>But, please for the love of god dont come here and demand a nerf on our main ability that gives us our DPS. Learn how to play your class correctly and adjust. I hate it when people don't like something and instead of adjusting they demand it to be changed for them. it is like the poster who wanted heroic raptors removed from the SS because he wanted to solo gnolls peacefully. Jeez...</div><div> </div><div>A better way to word your post would have been - I noticed my posion procs of my offensive stance and I am running out of posion quickly. What do any of the more epxerienced rangers suggest I do? See the difference one is asking for advice and the other is a whiny post demanding something be changed for you.</div><div> </div><div>Elbryan60 RangerBlind Guardians</div><div>Everfrost</div><hr></blockquote>What i don't get is why all these 60 rangers are getting [Removed for Content] at me when this is an extremely low level spell. Main ability that gives us DPS? It wasn't even in the game two days ago.

[Zendi_Perma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sete Soujiro wrote:<blockquote><hr>Zendi wrote:<div></div><p>Some details on the poison proc rate change.    I just went through 200 proc, 25% proc rate rare poison in exactly 30 minutes soloing white,yellow, and blue mobs.   That same poison lasted for hours yesterday.    Guess the alchemists will do good business, and good thing I have an alchemist and jeweler alt.. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>There was a bug after they changed poisons from disappering from you after death, that would let you proc way more than 200 procs.<hr></blockquote><p>Oh, that could very well be it.    I was not aware of that.   I tend to get a little aggressive and solo in dangerous areas so I die a fair amount.    That might explain why my poisons were lasting longer because of a bug.</p><p> </p><p>Thanks!</p>

[Cael]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><blockquote>What i don't get is why all these 60 rangers are getting [Removed for Content] at me when this is an extremely low level spell. Main ability that gives us DPS? It wasn't even in the game two days ago.<hr></blockquote></blockquote><p>Again, everyone is on edge cause of some nerfs.</p><p>Forgive them, in a few days, it will pass. The reason you got that skill now is because you werent even a ranger 2 days ago. You were a predator. And predators can be assassins OR rangers. But with LU19, they took out classes (predators in our case) and sent everyone straight into their subclass, making you, a lvl 15 RANGER. And as a ranger, our offensive stance procs with our poison and that is where our dps comes from.</p>

[Saracyn]

<div>Very well worded bentgate!  :smileyhappy:</div><div> </div><div>I had to kick myself in the butt for this exact thing last night.  Although not with my ranger.  I signed on with my Mystic and headed off with a guild group to kill in Clefts.  I VERY quickly noticed that something was"wrong" with my wards...got very frustrated...and left the group...as the ONLY healer in the group.  :smileysad:  Very poor behavior on my part.  Once I calmed down and started thinking about what happened and reading though my log I realized that they apparently fixed something that should have been happening all along.  Now it is up to me to figure out how to incorporate this into my style of play.</div><div> </div><div>Maybe this "it's what they gave us...make it work to my best advantage" attitude comes from playing a ranger since day 1 back when we were [Removed for Content] and couldn't get a group if we paid someone ([Removed for Content]).  Things have improved so much since then that I think we are all a little gunshy that they might take some of our DPS away!  Sorry if some of the posts were less than friendly.  Our poison procing off the stance is one of the things that makes us so UBER!  Rangers tend to live in fear of anything that would reduce the number of times our poisons proc. </div><div> </div><div>Not sure what server you are on, but if you are on Oasis (or if any ranger's reading this are) and need some help, I would be happy to hook you up with a really good alchy guildie that will make poisons for you for a very low cost.  Or just look me up in game so we can play together!</div>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caelum wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><blockquote>What i don't get is why all these 60 rangers are getting [Removed for Content] at me when this is an extremely low level spell. Main ability that gives us DPS? It wasn't even in the game two days ago.<hr></blockquote></blockquote><p>Again, everyone is on edge cause of some nerfs.</p><p>Forgive them, in a few days, it will pass. The reason you got that skill now is because you werent even a ranger 2 days ago. You were a predator. And predators can be assassins OR rangers. But with LU19, they took out classes (predators in our case) and sent everyone straight into their subclass, making you, a lvl 15 RANGER. And as a ranger, our offensive stance procs with our poison and that is where our dps comes from.</p><hr></blockquote>Uh, who said i was 15? i'm level 30..

[TaleraRis]

<div>We have Archer's Stance now, and Arrow Flurry I believe? I'm not noticing any changes with Arrow Flurry. I'll test Archer's this weekend and see if it's eating poison more often. I have never had a poison last for days, but also my poisons don't seem to run out as quickly as you're saying yours are. There may be an issue here with the new stance.</div>

[Siphar]

<div>Being lvl 60 ofcourse doesn't make you an expert on your class, but most of the lvl 60 rangers that post here do play in guilds and have played solo, therefore generally having a lot more experience in the ranger play, feel, spell and CA departments (esp compared to a lvl 30 char- which truthfully only takes a few days to achieve compared to 1+ year in EQ2 rangers here).</div><div> </div><div>I think you will also find a lot of people that level up fast in Eq2 is because they played Eq1 a lot. I personally played Eq1 from release until OoW, then switcing to EQ2 was just a natural progression and i found it very easy to advance as the basic mechanics are similar. (encounter lock etc don't make a lot of difference- the grp harmony and responsibilities remains).</div><div> </div><div>So this not only means some of these lvl 60 (and others) have 1+ year exp on eq2 but maybe 6+ years exp on Eq1. What does this mean, it means we are all very used to being nerf'd (esp if someone played other SoE games) and when someone who is lvl 30 (relatively new player) suggests wiping out or nerf'ing our primary DPS skill, i think you could expect a few dispassionate posts from the devoted ranger population. Especially those that play the game a lot (ie. higher level).</div><div> </div><div>You are also correct, upon reaching max level and working out all your skills, spells, CA etc you really do want to help people if you can, and therefore can look like only lvl 60 chars here seem to give advice. But infact they are just passing down info that helped them and im sure you will find the majority of the Ranja population is a nice productive positive bunch of people.</div><div> </div><div>As far as the poison changes i have already commented, although i have yet to log on and experience LU19. Perhaps i will share your view when im burning through 15g worth of poison in 10 minutes, or it will just prompt a patch or a change in peoples play style. Heavens forbid, not another dps nerf though.</div><div> </div><div>- 60 Nerf'd Ranja</div><div>- 57 Pally</div>

[Cael]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Sphiriah wrote:</p><p>Uh, who said i was 15? i'm level 30..</p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>It was further up in the thread.</p><p>So, my bad.</p>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><p>Ok, first off i did play eq for 6 years as well.</p><p>Second, i STILL don't get why more and more level 60's are posting about a <strong>low level stance</strong>.</p><p>I'm not sure what level exactly, but below 20. Now, i'm not saying to nerf any upgrades to this ability .. i am just saying at level 30 (or even when you get this ability) I shouldn't be going through a single charge in 10 minutes.</p><p>And once again, <strong>this did not even exist two days ago</strong>.</p>

[leafnin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><p>Ok, first off i did play eq for 6 years as well.</p><p>Second, i STILL don't get why more and more level 60's are posting about a <strong>low level stance</strong>.</p><p>I'm not sure what level exactly, but below 20. Now, i'm not saying to nerf any upgrades to this ability .. i am just saying at level 30 (or even when you get this ability) I shouldn't be going through a single charge in 10 minutes.</p><p>And once again, <strong>this did not even exist two days ago</strong>.</p><hr></blockquote><div>Well the reason we're posting on a LOW LEVEL stance is because through out the spell line it works excately the same the only difference is damage amount.  So poison interacts with this stance the same way for a level 30 as it would for a level 60.  That's why.  The line DID exist 2 days ago problem was they started it with Arrow Flurry at 35* (Correct me if I'm wrong).  With the changing of the character progression they gave you your class defining skills earlier.  Summoners also got changed like this they get their pet earlier now as well.  I hope that answers your questions <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Falcon</div><div>60 Ranger</div><div>Kithicor  </div>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>leafnin wrote:<div> </div><div>...</div><div>Well the reason we're posting on a LOW LEVEL stance is because through out the spell line it works excately the same the only difference is damage amount.  So poison interacts with this stance the same way for a level 30 as it would for a level 60.  That's why.  The line DID exist 2 days ago problem was they started it with Arrow Flurry at 35* (Correct me if I'm wrong).  With the changing of the character progression they gave you your class defining skills earlier.  Summoners also got changed like this they get their pet earlier now as well.  I hope that answers your questions <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Falcon</div><div>60 Ranger</div><div>Kithicor  </div><hr></blockquote>Yes, but i am only posting about this ability itself, NOT the upgrades or any other ability .. this specific one. It is insane for a low level ranger to have to go through poisons this fast.

[Ethyarion]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><p>Ok, first off i did play eq for 6 years as well.</p><p>Second, i STILL don't get why more and more level 60's are posting about a <strong>low level stance</strong>.</p><p>I'm not sure what level exactly, but below 20. Now, i'm not saying to nerf any upgrades to this ability .. i am just saying at level 30 (or even when you get this ability) I shouldn't be going through a single charge in 10 minutes.</p><p>And once again, <strong>this did not even exist two days ago</strong>.</p><hr></blockquote>I'll answer this.The reason is that the stance is one of a spell line, which means it gets upgraded at intervals of 14 levels with the same characteristics but increased damage to makei t pertinent to the Rangers level.As you'll eventually find out Rangers do a large percentage of thier damage through this stance and through procs from their bows, any change to this would drastically alter Ranger DPS in a negative way and therefore your request would not be supported as any change would have a knock-on effect on all tiers of this spell line and essentially cripple Rangers in their only role, doing damage.Like others have said, you can buy vendor poisons quite cheaply at your level and Rangers have always been a somewhat expensive class to play but a request such as the one you made would be tragic if implemented.Regards.</span></div>

[leafnin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>leafnin wrote:<div> </div><div>...</div><div>Well the reason we're posting on a LOW LEVEL stance is because through out the spell line it works excately the same the only difference is damage amount.  So poison interacts with this stance the same way for a level 30 as it would for a level 60.  That's why.  The line DID exist 2 days ago problem was they started it with Arrow Flurry at 35* (Correct me if I'm wrong).  With the changing of the character progression they gave you your class defining skills earlier.  Summoners also got changed like this they get their pet earlier now as well.  I hope that answers your questions <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Falcon</div><div>60 Ranger</div><div>Kithicor  </div><hr></blockquote>Yes, but i am only posting about this ability itself, NOT the upgrades or any other ability .. this specific one. It is insane for a low level ranger to have to go through poisons this fast.<hr></blockquote><p>I understand you don't like the amount of money spent on poison not everyone is made of money, but unless your completely new to the cost of ranged class you'd know we aren't a cheap class to play. </p><p> </p><p>Anyway in response to your above post how is your version of the stance any different in regards to poison procing ability?  Your using a Longbow correct?  Don't like the amount of poison procs...try Shortbow less delay...less procs.  It's just the nature of  ranged combat delay affects proc..it's the same with WoW and Hunters they crit like crazy due to high delay bows.  It might be bugged and proccing more I don't know I didn't do much other then raid and I go through alot of poison anyway.  Right now you need to make a choice..pay (Money, Aggro, etc) for the DPS or don't.  If you don't have the money for poison then don't use it save up till you do.  Not one person can help you with that descion it's yours alone to make.  Good Luck with whatever you decide upon.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Falcon</p><p>60Ranger</p><p>Kithicor  </p>

[MoonglumHMV]

<div></div><div>I might add that if you are level 30,  you would have gotten the line that did exist pre LU19 at level 31.  What has changed was that at level 17, your original stance was "blade flurry" more of a melee stance.  When they gave class specific spells with LU 19, that got changed to fall in line with the whole spell line of Ranger offensive stances that has this ranged attack proc.  So if you are level 30 still now, you will get the next upgrade in the line, Arrow Flurry.</div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><p>Ok, first off i did play eq for 6 years as well.</p><p>Second, i STILL don't get why more and more level 60's are posting about a <strong>low level stance</strong>.</p><p>I'm not sure what level exactly, but below 20. Now, i'm not saying to nerf any upgrades to this ability .. i am just saying at level 30 (or even when you get this ability) I shouldn't be going through a single charge in 10 minutes.</p><p>And once again, <strong>this did not even exist two days ago</strong>.</p><hr></blockquote>I am level 36 atm... The very thought of wanting this nerfed makes me want to gouge my eyes out :smileyindifferent:

[Prandtl]

<div></div><blockquote dir="ltr"><blockquote dir="ltr"><div>I am level 36 atm... The very thought of wanting this nerfed makes me want to gouge my eyes out <img border="0" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif" height="16" width="16"></div><div> </div></blockquote></blockquote><div>Don't do it!  You'd look terrible with bleeding sockets</div>

[Domyr Farseeker]

<div></div><p>There might actually be something (unintentional? I hope...) to this poison thing.</p><p>I had my 51 Ranger out in Sinking Sands yesterday after the patch, chain pulling blue and white mobs (solo to ^^^). My dps was considerably lower, presumably because of the changes to weapon and armor procs. I was burning through poison like never before, though. In a little over an hour, I went through a full vial (7 treatments, freshly applied) of damage poison and a full vial and a half of debuff. I didn't have a third poison with me, so I was only trying to keep 2 types up, but it seemed like I was constantly applying poisons.</p><p>Looks like I'm going to be spending a lot more gold now to do a lot less damage <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<div></div>I have a feeling that we were missing some DPS yesterday due to the problems with arrow types.   I.E  indium arrows only dooing 60 damage, same as iron arrows.  Some may say that we don't rely on auto-attack for DPS, and for the most part that is true, but considering that when you open a fight with a CA, your auto attack immediatly follows.  (Making Tripple fire shoot three arrows (plus offensive scante proc) and then an auto attack arrow for a total of four arrows in 1 second.)  THis could seriously bug our DPS.  I noticed a decrease of 15 - 20 pct in DPS yesterday.  My procs from melee weapons and my CMC only account for about 5 pct of that, according to parses pre LU 19.  I think this arrow type bug probably had a great deal to do with the rest of it.

[woobang]

<div>Hmm.....which Arrow attack do you use that doesnt do melee dmg? Poision will proc with stance on or off. Boy, none of you know it all rangers caught that. No reason anyone has to be called a noob here :smileysurprised:</div>

[Sirlutt]

someone check for me .. but it sounds like poisons are procing on EVERY arrow hit, not just a certain %... someone parse and check..note the # of arrows and charges you have.. engage a mob then look again.. i am willing to bet the charges, and arrows decreased the same amount.the damage yesterday was down cos arrows were doing alot less damage, but I bet with that fixed we are procing a poison off everyone ...someone check it out.. i cant login tonight.<div></div>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:<span>Not saying I agree with you, just saying that most the subsequent posts were by people who should <font color="#ffff33">learn to express themselves without being so rude</font>.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>/Agree completely</p><p>Are we gonna become like the guardian or templar forums now?</p><p> </p>

[Turtle]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div>Honestly, I don't know what i said to [Removed for Content] everyone off.</div><div> </div><div>Lower level rangers never got this type of stance before, and i am sorry if i dislike having to buy poison every 5 minutes.</div><hr></blockquote>Sphiriah, I just want to make sure you understand that you didnt [Removed for Content] me off.  I was just trying to offer alternatives and it suprised me to see a fellow Ranger asking for something that improved our DPS to be removed. :smileywink:

[Stigch]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:someone check for me .. but it sounds like poisons are procing on EVERY arrow hit, not just a certain %... someone parse and check..note the # of arrows and charges you have.. engage a mob then look again.. i am willing to bet the charges, and arrows decreased the same amount.the damage yesterday was down cos arrows were doing alot less damage, but I bet with that fixed we are procing a poison off everyone ...someone check it out.. i cant login tonight.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>This is not the case. Not all arrows proc. But there does appear to be something wonky with the relation between arrows that do hit and arrows that don't hit in combination with skills that require the first in line to hit (second arrow automatically misses when first misses). The second arrow after the miss does appear to have an equal chance of proccing a poison even though it shouldn't count for a percentage. In my opinion this should not be enought to explain to sum total of the poison problem. Altbough, if you triple shot and all three miss and all three proc, you might get skewed results as you. Then again a missed arrow is still a fired arrow.</p><p>Anyway, you're theory does not appear sound. Oh well, on we go. Heres hoping they'll change it so that posions become a little more managable. More procs per poison or simply no limit to them woudl solve most of the problem. The rare player made ones could have no limit and the cheap storebought ones could have a limit, allbeit a higher limit than now. The proc limitation that was put in when it was, was never designed to work with this new poison flood.</p>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><p>Finally some people that don't bite my head off ><</p><p>I apologize for how my post sounded, i should have checked a bit more before i blamed the stance 100% and called for a nerf.</p><p> </p><p>But also as i said i *thought* it was the stance because it was the only new thing.</p><p>So once again, i apologize.</p>

[TaleraRis]

I agree. I don't think it's the stance. I wasn't using it last night because I forgot, and since I can see and note my procs, they seemed to be going down quite a bit faster than I remember. I could go a whole night before say in Zek, constantly fighting, only having to apply poison once or twice. Now it's up to about four or five times in a given night.I definitely think there's something wonky with arrows. Can anyone give us some hard evidence from experimentation? Mine is just what I noticed.<div></div>