The Spiral Down

[Gailstryd]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Edit:  Far too many of you ignorant wanna be Rangers have read my OP and thought that i was agreeing with your driveling whining BS and I figured I'd put a halt to that right now.  My OP was pointing out all the things you whiney crybaby [Removed for Content] would view as a nerf when really they are legitimate fixes or nerfs so light and insignificant they can barely be called nerfs.  I feel for a few of you peeps like Khalan, Demlar, Goern, and a few others who have been around the block with the rest of us and actually earned some of the things they are haveing taken away, but the rest of you new breed [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [Removed for Content] Rangers can rot in hell and go back to playing the classes you never should have left.  I LIKE THE CHANGES, they might mean some of you idiots are leaving and in all they will bring balance back to my class.  Most of you are so blinded by your sniveling BS that you can't see past your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] goggles and see they have actually even fixed a few things pertaining to our class.  So anyway for all you idiots that keep saying oh the OP is so right we are getting nerfed and it sucks whine whine whine, that was never what i was saying and you need to get Hooked on Phoenix or something you dumbasses, because the whole point of the post that is now gone was that I am glad to see teh changes come and hopefully you idiots leave.  Im going to be happy when it gets back to just true deticated peeps who want to play a Ranger, not the current uber dps class, and I'm left with worthy new faces and the good ole Kaeros and Zholain posts about actual meaningful things and helpful advice.  For all of you chicken littles and dumbasses who are leaving, I hope the door hits you in your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] as you are going.</div><p>Message Edited by Gailstryder on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:46 AM</span></p>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<div></div>Yeah.  I will adapt I'm sure.  I just hope this is the last round of nerfs.  I am in a nice small family type guild and they will like me no matter what my DPS is, so no biggie for me. 

[Gnome mercy]

<div></div><p>Honestly, im only 35 so not much to brag about, ive played a shadowknight my whole eq life but my ranger is something different, what i mean is, I love playing kowen, since i started i can't stop, my main in eq1 was a ranger and i think i just made a shadowknight just so i had an advantage on the game, and now i dont think even if they kill the ranger class to have as much dps as my sk, i will still play him.</p><p> </p>

[Gailstryd]

<div></div><div>It's always good to see Rangers who play for the class, not just to use it.  And as for Stream of Arrows, it apparently didn't get updated right.  I logged in to test it out and it still works close range, it still doesn't cost power, and it still has the brief delay before starting up.  SOE for Tunares sake if you are gonna do it, do it right lol.</div>

[Tevilspek]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Gailstryder wrote:<div></div><div>SOE for Tunares sake if you are gonna do it, do it right lol.</div><hr></blockquote>You actually sound suprised *grin*.Oh well, overall, such are the rapid winds of change that are EQ2.We should really be used to it by now.</span></div>

[Turtle]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tevilspek wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Gailstryder wrote:<div></div><div>SOE for Tunares sake if you are gonna do it, do it right lol.</div><hr></blockquote>You actually sound suprised *grin*.Oh well, overall, such are the rapid winds of change that are EQ2.We should really be used to it by now.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>/agreed</p><p>Remember for every update expect 2 or more to follow :smileyhappy:</p><p>Live Update = Update to fix Live Update = Update to fix Update = Update to fix last Update...and so on  :smileyhappy:</p><p>Its to be expected from any Online Game....They dont want you to know this....*Whispers* Its the rule :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Wolfmon]

<div></div>Have they already nerfed weapon procs through our bow? Have been in CT all night and am getting 0 procs off my PGT and SSOY.

[Beldin_]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gailstryder wrote:<div></div><div>It's always good to see Rangers who play for the class, not just to use it.  And as for Stream of Arrows, it apparently didn't get updated right.  I logged in to test it out and it still works close range, it still doesn't cost power, and it still has the brief delay before starting up.  SOE for Tunares sake if you are gonna do it, do it right lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>For me it costs power .. it doesn't work in melee range .. AND it stil has the delay .. so the worst of all at the moment if you play a lot solo :smileysad:</p><p>I was never a person who soloed heroics .. but at least against mobs with one upgrade it was very nice to have if you don't want to use stun potions all the time .. now its absolutly useless for soloing without stun potion :smileysad:</p><p>I wish that they maybe at least gave is another stun that would work a little better on upgrade mobs and is on another timer or whatever for that :smileyindifferent:</p>

[GoNom]

<div></div><blockquote><hr><div>Stream is getting nerfed/fixed, there goes some of our solo ability. <font color="#ff0000">Realisticly this was way over due, and we can still kite, so my soloability won't be affected, just my "Lazy stand there and watch stream burn a mob down" Solo ability would be effected.  Personally its not very fun to just stand there while stream kills something.  </font></div><div>Melee weapons won't proc off ranged soon, there goes our lead on dmg.   <font color="#ff0000">Again this was overdue, I have a proc'ing bow, as do most rangers, all rangers that know that they are doing use a proc'ing bow, so this is not a big deal</font></div><div>Poisons are getting changed and will prolly drop in potency some imho, there goes more of our lead on dmg.  <font color="#ff0000">Sony has already stated that the poison changes will not effect damage that much, its more of a simplification if the poison names.  There will still be legendary poisons, and heck, stock up now with Adeste's cause they said that all poisons in game at the time of the change will not be deleted due to the changes.</font></div><div>With the melee proc changes as of t6 we will be the only class without a fabled or otherwise decent upgrade to our primary dmg slot. <font color="#ff0000">This was already the case, and hopefully Sony addresses this with T7 expansion.  </font></div><div>Str ring buffs are permanent and now stack effectively screwing us out of one of the few fabled predator only items worth having in t6 and thus reducing our loot table even more for t6. <font color="#ff0000">Not sure what this means, I haven't logged in to see the changes, but I think what you are saying is Str Rings are no longer a buff that you cast, but that you must wear the ring to get the benefits?  If thats the case, again this isn't a huge deal.  Gonna kinda suck for my Jeweler though. Guess people won't be buying up to three imbued rings anymore.   My Str gets up to close to 400 on Raids as it is with buffs, so the +13 or what ever it is, is not a huge deal.</font></div><div><font color="#ff0000"></font> </div><div><font color="#ff0000"> I don't understand the last sentence, if the Str buff stacks, how does that screw us?  Not sure which Fabled item you alluding too.</font></div><hr></blockquote>

[Merkad]

He is referring to the Earthen Band in Courts from the Great Gardener. It has 22str and so-so other stats (junk like +3 piercing) less than stellar resists et cetera.The reason why is because the ring changes make the vana str imbued effectively 32str or so, a good 10 above the Earthen Band. And, if we stay ranged, str/int (and formerly, procs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) are what we need.Ah well, I did not think so highly of that ring to ever even bid on it. My guild gives one dkp per raid mob except during raid zones (which is usually 1 per hour) and I am at 100ish now saved up.. just not enough gear that drops that I like enough to want.Merkades, 60th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>Change to stream of arrows isn't too bad other than the the minimum range and chance to interupt, it's cool that they making arrows shoot right away cuz we all know there was like a 5 sec delay when it was cast befor an arrow started shooting and that was annoying. Im gonna have to test this out like righ tnow as I haven't been on to see if it all was changed correctly.</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>Well, the change to stream of arrows so far isn't bad, as it will still shoot once the mob is within 5 meters, however when they said it would start shooting right away they lied. It still wont shoot it's first arrow off until theres 26 seconds left on time so that 4 seconds of nothing once it is cast. AND one thing I am EXTREMELY unhappy about is the fact that the shield of strking and cryptic metallic armors are not proccing at all on bow attacks. I know we were told weps would no longer proc on bow, we all cried a little about it but got over it. Than I spoke to Ilucide and he told me that shields and armor will still proc so I was semi happy with that. So im hoping this is only an accident and they will fix it. I certainly /bugged it and hoping the rest will as well.</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>

[Merkad]

On another note, it seems they actually made snares semi useful. Forester's Noose now reports a 5% chance of breaking when a mob takes damage/hostile action (snaring shot reports 10%). And indeed, it usually takes a few hits to break it now. 'Course the bad side is that Rangers are spammers with attacks, so you do often enough break it (especially Snaring Shot) on the poison/proc/stance soon after (not always).Better than before, but I still miss miss EQLive Ensnare <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Merkades, 60th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Blackin_DeMast]

<div></div>Grouped with some guildies last night and after all the nefs I lost about 200 DPS.  I was averaging 600-800 grouped now I am around 400-600.  Some of the things that I noticed was that I didn't have as much STR due to the nerf on rings (It was nice not having to switch them out and activate them every 20 minutes though)  Prismatic and PGT no longer proc as well as my Cryptic Metalic Coat.  One thing this did help was with agro control.  Was grouped with a pally one level below me and I was able to go all out DPS, including adestes, and couldn't get agro even turning on stream at the beginning of a fight.  I really hpe we get the proc back for the CMC, and I just got to find some other ways to boost my STR.  Adapt and overcome...

[Cael]

<div></div><p>How do the rings stacking nerf your str? I ask this in seriousness not in attack.</p><p>Rings stack now...so, you should actually have 22 MORE str not less, unless im missing something</p>

[Tevilspek]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Blackin_DeMaster wrote:<div></div>Adapt and overcome...<hr></blockquote>Haha on a total offtopic whine for a second,when I read that, I heard the deep voice of the voice-over-Guy saying at the end of the game trailer:"Everquest 2. Adapt... and overcome."It could seriously be the universal SoE gaming motto. Sadly.But yeah it's true though. We've had our mouths yanked open. We've been forced fed. Now let's just adapt and overcome and get back to talking tactics like we always did.</span></div>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<div>I was using Morgruff's Signet, +15 str, and a Vertebrae ring, +10 STR, and just equiping an imbued ruby ring of str, +16.5, and a T6 imbued ring of AGI just long enough to activate them.  Even If I buy a vandium ring of STR it will not be enough to compensate for the +25 STR from the other two rings.  I would have to spend almost 5 plat to get two vandium rings to be over what I had before.</div>

[NovacaineExpre]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caelum wrote:<div></div><p>How do the rings stacking nerf your str? I ask this in seriousness not in attack.</p><p>Rings stack now...so, you should actually have 22 MORE str not less, unless im missing something</p><hr></blockquote><p>I lost a total of 8 str by losing my 2 fabled rings (Caretaker's and Earthen Band) to str imbued vanadium, not really a huge deal but I am more upset at the fact that Legendary crafted > then fabled now.</p><p> </p>

[smoody]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>NovacaineExpress wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caelum wrote:<div></div><p>How do the rings stacking nerf your str? I ask this in seriousness not in attack.</p><p>Rings stack now...so, you should actually have 22 MORE str not less, unless im missing something</p><hr></blockquote><p>I lost a total of 8 str by losing my 2 fabled rings (Caretaker's and Earthen Band) to str imbued vanadium, not really a huge deal but I am more upset at the fact that Legendary crafted > then fabled now.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>I also have Caretaker's and Earthen Band which have 16 and 22 strength respectively. These 2 rings with the str buff from a vanadium ring were providing 60 pts of strength. Now by equipping 2 vanadium strength rings, you would have 64 pts of strengh. So we actually gain 4 pts in strength, however, we lose a lot in power, health and resists. I personally hate the fact that T6 rare is now better than the best fabled items in the game. Obtaining those fabled rings was a challenge which is now wasted. They have very little value at this point. This change was extremely short-sighted on SOE's part. If they felt the need to reduce the tedium of casting these buffs, they should have increased the timer.

[NovacaineExpre]

<div>Whoops, tried doing the math in my head and I guess it didnt work out too well :smileysad:  But I thought somehow I lost 8 str, went from 364 before yesterday self buffed to 356...  /shrug</div><div> </div>

[Gailstryd]

<div></div>GoNomar I agree that all these changes aren't that bad really in the end and are good overall and I said that basically in the paragraph below so what is the point of your post at all?  It's not an arguement, it's not a debate, and I am glad the ranger fix/nerf came.  Overcome and Adapt, imho there is nothing to overcome and adapt, at least not for the rangers who were here pre-LU13.  My one downtrodden thought is that it was jealousy of a few other classes and the idiots amongst us that shot ourselves in the foot.  Hehe and that jealousy was caused by the idiots amongst us lol it is great.  I'm also not worried because I know other things /mysterious gesture.  My hope is that some of the idiots go away and the true core of Rangers stay whether they be new or old.  So GoNomar remind [Removed for Content] is the point of your post again?

[Jay]

<div></div><p>/hangs head</p><p>I'm a sad ranger. Not so much because of the changes, though it is hard to watch our unprecedented effectiveness vanish. More bummed b/c of these threads about how bad we have it now - all these lousy attitudes - just not finding much here that really makes me proud to be a ranger. I'm gonna keep playing and I'll still enjoy my toon, but I feel like we're losing something that made our community special.</p><p>Anyway, hope this does cull the herd, and we lose those who played rangers as the FOTM. I expect things will be a bit more settled, and maybe this forum will return to the friendly, positive place it used to be once the smoke clears.</p>

[Longtrang]

<div></div><div></div><p>I have to say that I agree with the OP.</p><p>The NERF to Stream of Arrows was totally uncalled for, it was working fine before the NERF. SoE jacked with this spell enough. The power cost addition isn't that bad, but messing with the min range after you have successfully casted makes it worthless when soloing. Not to mention you dont even get a YOUR TO CLOSE warning. </p><p>The change to the rings effected everyone. Thanks, now i can have a fabled ring as a backup to my handcrafted, oh yeah that makes sense. I can live with it though.</p><p>The mainhand wep not procing while using a bow, that makes sense sure, but why wait for eons to implement that change, no matter, I can live with that also. But, I still think any procs on your armor should work either a ranged or melee weapon.  Did they even say that there were going to nerf that?</p><p>Anyhow, I can't say that I'm surprised with SoE doing this, some things never change.  </p><p>Lastly, let me get a shout out to all you whinners that complained about ranger DPS... I hope your happy now!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Longtrang on <span class="date_text">02-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:57 PM</span></p>

[Barramundi]

Disappointing to have SOA at reduced effectiveness, but kinda saw it coming.Disappointing again is that Cheap shot no longer works on up arrow mobs. To have both nerfs at once is a real blow to soloing.<div></div>

[Sirlutt]

Is this the Guardian or Ranger forums ?... i am confused?.. i usually only see the doom and gloom sky is falling in there..lighten up guys.. we are still worlds ahead of where we were pre LU13.. i think some of you forget how [Removed for Content]'d we were.<div></div>

[KannaWhoopass]

<div></div><p>You people make me sick</p><p>Why dont ya have a love in ..sit arround and sing songs about trees and peace .. lets go hug a dev for nerfing us.</p><p>Who are you people ?</p><p>Seriously bunch of door mats. While other classes are raising hell and having their concerns taken care of the Ranger community sits arround feeling all pious and proud that what . They can be scr3wed and smile?</p><p>If a guy broke into your house and stoloe all of yer stuff and burned the house down on his way out, i swear you would sit arround and tell eachother Ohhh well i guess he needed the stuff more than i did. And my house was bigger than the guy next door so i suppose i deserved to have mine destroyed. All smiles and peaches and cream .... Yer a bunch on Ned Flanders!!</p><p>Because other classes couldnt read a parser we got nerfed ..</p><p>A class that doesnt give any group buffs.</p><p>Needs to pay to debuff opponents.</p><p>Needs to pay to do their DPS,</p><p>Have  no T6 weapon for primary slot that can beat lvl 50 crafted no fabled bow with a proc!.</p><p>Is loosing the ability to proc off hand held weapons!!! ( forget giving be swords and daggers then .. Just give me a Q-tip with +30 STR in one hand and a cotton ball with +10 pierce and + 20 agility in the other hand ..cause i sure as H3ll dont need em to hit a Mob just stats to me now).</p><p>Our best attack SOA was nerfed, so when going solo its all but useless .. our stun was reduced.</p><p>Poisons only proc off one hand .</p><p> Peacock quest offers nothing for us.</p><p>And you all feel great about it!!!  </p><p>Like you are having some kind of contest who can  take the most abuse and still smile.</p><p>I for 1 am not happy.   I dont like the changes . Im a raiding ranger . I pay 4 plat a week in poison and repairs and slash arrows . I deserved to be a DPS monster i PAY for it ..just because some thumb sucking mages cried 500 pages of posts ..we get nerfed. They buff .. they root ..they stun ...they feed ...they cure arcane ... and  NUKE all for free !! but  after reading a parser they decide ohhh well i should be #1 in DPS too ...BAH!!! DPS is what defined us ..it was out thing ..its all we have to offer a group and it is being taken away .....and your ohhh well ill still skip thru the forest in my Robin Hood PJ's ...huging trees attitudes makes it so much easier for it to happen.</p><p> </p><p>Im Disgusted with the changes ..</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Vincenzi]

<div></div><hr width="100%" size="2"><blockquote>but  after reading a parser they decide ohhh well i should be #1 in DPS too ...BAH!!! DPS is what defined us ..it was out thing ..its all we have to offer a group and it is being taken away .....and your ohhh well ill still skip thru the forest in my Robin Hood PJ's ...huging trees attitudes makes it so much easier for it to happen.</blockquote><hr width="100%" size="2">Aside from the inability to form a coherent argument, consider the following:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=4938<font color="#ff0000"><a href="../view_profile?user.id=103" target="_blank"><span>Moorgard</span></a></font> writes:      <i>Generally speaking, wizards and warlocks are intended to have the highest overall damage output, with the two subclasses being roughly equivalent to one another. If wizards and warlocks are not achieving that level of damage output now (and we agree there are cases that they are not), we will be adjusting class balance accordingly. In some situations this means other classes will be reduced in the amount of damage they do, while in other cases wizard and warlock damage may be upgraded.</i><div></div>

[illum]

<div></div><div></div><p>you must not pay attention to the power wizards already have...actually, most people dont...why? cause they're all mathematically handicapped.�  In the short game, yes rangers rule...but if you check the parses of longer fights or vs group mobs, wizards MASSACRE rangers in dps.�  If you decide to go the extra mile and calculate out the extra dps from buffs, and it's just that much more obvious...and there's the fact that wizards can remove bad effects, manage adds...of couse those spells are useless if the tool playing the wizard doesn't know how to use those spells.</p><p>how do i know this...I play BOTH classes...and I can say right now, in groups who are pushing themselves and not just doing a sure thing grind, my wizard dishes out way more dps than my ranger could ever hope for.� </p><p>I have way more respect for rangers because as gimped as the class was, they still go the job done...and well.�  The wizards for the most part (with a few exceptions) all just sat there and cried because they couldn't figure out how their class worked...the few wizards / warlocks I chatted with on my server always challenged rangers to outdo them in dps in minor raids...why? to shove it down rangers throats...and we're talking about rangers decked out in fabled gear with 4 or 5 vanadium rings on top of the fabled rings, crafted arrows, and rare poison + poison/pierce debuff.</p><p>while rangers are not totally horrible now, they definately got a major shaft from sony...what I found really ironic in the patch was the fact that I noticed in a group today that the healer and myself now proc'd off our spells.</p><p>way to go SOE.</p><p>Message Edited by illumin on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:32 AM</span></p>

[kartikeya]

<div></div><p>Hey,</p><p>First post, I think, to this forum, but I'm a long time lurker.</p><p>I'm a roleplayer first and foremost, but I've also soloed the vast majority of my career. More than likely, I may never see prismatics, and while I'm working on the peacock quests (rabid quester too), I certainly never expect to off the Godking. I barely look at my own numbers, except when upgrading equipment. Heck, I'm really, really not a numbers person. Parsers are Greek to me. x.o</p><p>For the raiding folks, however, I feel for you, and support any attempts at reasonable discussion with the devs over what is and isn't being done on our end. Even I felt a small kick in the pants when I went out hunting today.</p><p>I don't think it's about being the noble martyrs, as someone above put it. Am I happy about the changes? Not at all. Will I add my voice to posts protesting it and making suggestions? Of course. But at the end of the day, what I want to play is a ranger,  I played a ranger throughout the entire life of EQ1, and I imagine I'll continue playing a ranger until the day I cancel my subscription. It's what I enjoy, and nerfs won't change that.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>KannaWhoopass wrote:<div></div><p>You people make me sick</p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>Ditto. Crawl back into the hole you came out of and take your idiotic ranting elsewhere. It serves NO PURPOSE here. All you do is complain and whine about other players, other forums, other classes. Please explain to me how that helps ANYONE. You want our class to be powerful, tell me how your moaning about someone else's attitude helps achieve that?</p><p>I don't know where the hell you people get off with your attitudes that anyone on this forum who tries to actually form a rational discussion is somehow HURTING OUR CLASS. I have been a longtime advocate for us and so have many others here, and ya know what? You've contributed jack squat. Nothing. You're here to b!tch and moan and nothing else. Contribute something useful to somebody just ONCE and maybe you'll make a post worth reading, or actually show something other than a selfish [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] attitude regarding what you "deserve." To hell with what you "deserve." We're all in the same boat here, but you don't seem to realize it. You think you're somehow different, or better than other rangers. Horsecrap.</p><p>While I usually try hard to keep myself from attacking others, I'm not going to sit here while you blame the more rational, mature members of this community for somehow nerfing our class. Newsflash: we're not developers, we're not responsible for the changes to your precious uber raid loot and your overpowered skills. You paint this picture of yourself as a hardcore raider, yet you carry on as if you're totally crippled now. That says more about you as a player than anything else.</p><p>Get over it or just shut up and leave. Go play a bruiser or a wizard, so you can be overpowered and not have to think.</p><p>This post carebear enough for you? Hope so.</p>

[Cron]

<blockquote><hr>KannaWhoopass wrote:<div></div><p>You people make me sick</p><p>Why dont ya have a love in ..sit arround and sing songs about trees and peace .. lets go hug a dev for nerfing us.</p><p>Who are you people ?</p><p>Seriously bunch of door mats. While other classes are raising hell and having their concerns taken care of the Ranger community sits arround feeling all pious and proud that what . They can be scr3wed and smile?</p></blockquote>How long have you been a Ranger? We were gimped much worse than this long before the CU. We aren't door mats and we never stop talking about issues that we feel are unfair as a whole to the game and our class. We don't however generally feel a need to dish out vitriol and pretend the sky is falling with every update. The complaining, whining , and gnashing of teeth starts about 2-3 weeks before an update happens. People who have no idea how things are going to be affected start spouting off about how bad we are going to be crippled and that they will leave the game because it sucks,etc. Then the update happens and people start complaining all over again about things that are STILL much better than it was before Sept 12.We have long worked as a community to politely endeavor to help the Devs figure out things that are wrong with the class. We will long do so after the weekend warriors leave. I don't think any of us are doormats because we CHOOSE not to be negative about everything. Honestly, I think you'll get less help from Devs when you knock everything they do in an effort to bring you a game thats fun to play. I'm still having fun with my Ranger. Maybe you can figure out why you aren't?

[Cron]

<blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div><p>This post carebear enough for you? Hope so.</p><hr></div></blockquote><hr>Kaeros - Playing a Carebear in 49 countries.. all year round. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Juniger]

<div></div><div>Best thing to do is take a lesson from the Brigands of EQ2, stop telling everyone in the forums how uber we are or once were, and how uber we will become. Tight lips all. Stop owning peps in duels unless it's for loot cause they just post on how uber we are and asks for a nerf of the Rangers. Read some Brigand forums and see what you find out about them, nothing. BTW the update does suck.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Dizzle lvl 60 Ranger</div><div>Blackburrow</div><p>Message Edited by Juniger on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:30 AM</span></p>

[KannaWhoopass]

<div></div><div></div><div>I have been a Ranger since release.</div><div> </div><div>I was the stupid one who got on to the forum and posted about how great it was using a poison called Touch of the Beholder ...and watched as 1 week later it was nerfed.</div><div> </div><div>I got a bucket of hate mail from the rangers for weeks.</div><div> </div><div>I have never again posted on any way to kill , survive , or increase dps again. Because i have found that all of your discussions here if they share a way to use the class ..do nothing but nerf it.</div><div> </div><div>Way to go Jay42 ..teep that positive discussion going with the devs .. in case you didnt notice ... its not getting you anyplace.</div><div> </div><div>However i did notice the wizard forums full of complaints are getting increases to their class ...humm how strange.</div><div> </div><div>I remember learning to run backwards with the inventory window open ... shooting at mobs as i ran in reverse avoiding other mobs and refilling arrows on the run ...gone.</div><div> </div><div>I remember having stealth adept 3 so  i could scout areas for my group .. even if the mobs were 3 or 4 levels higher ...gone. </div><div> </div><div>I remember having  a stun that would work on heroic mobs ...gone.</div><div> </div><div>a great spell called SOA that would allow me to use my primary weapon for the duration of the fight ..gone.</div><div> </div><div>I spent 100's of hours getting raid DKP points so i could bid and win on the dual wield proc items ..useless.</div><div> </div><div>Over 100 hours doing peacock quests ..so i can get a weapon which is now of no use to me.</div><div> </div><div>Keep that positive feedback commin it seems to do wonders.</div><div> </div><div>We are well on our way to becoming gimped assasins with a supirior bow pull.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by KannaWhoopass on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:06 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by KannaWhoopass on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:07 AM</span></p>

[Hexus]

<div></div><p>Guess what?  I'm a 60 ranger, I've been a ranger since Beta EQ 1, and I'm going to keep being a ranger until I log off one day, burn the discs that I bought to play the game, and delete my account.</p><p>I'll adapt, as I always have.</p><p>I'll be stronger, because I've had to be.</p><p>I'll change, because noone has ever gotten rangers right, we've always been the most changed/nerfed/upgraded/downgraded class ever.</p><p>I'm a better player because of it, Lot's of people play rangers, few do it right, that will never change either.</p><p>Hexus Lupis</p><p>60 Ranger - Valor - Kithicor</p>

[Gailstryd]

<div></div><div></div><div>Longtrang posted...</div><div><hr></div><div><p>I have to say that I agree with the OP.</p><p>The NERF to Stream of Arrows was totally uncalled for, it was working fine before the NERF. SoE jacked with this spell enough. The power cost addition isn't that bad, but messing with the min range after you have successfully casted makes it worthless when soloing. Not to mention you dont even get a YOUR TO CLOSE warning. </p><p>The change to the rings effected everyone. Thanks, now i can have a fabled ring as a backup to my handcrafted, oh yeah that makes sense. I can live with it though.</p><p>The mainhand wep not procing while using a bow, that makes sense sure, but why wait for eons to implement that change, no matter, I can live with that also. But, I still think any procs on your armor should work either a ranged or melee weapon.  Did they even say that there were going to nerf that?</p><p>Anyhow, I can't say that I'm surprised with SoE doing this, some things never change.  </p><p>Lastly, let me get a shout out to all you whinners that complained about ranger DPS... I hope your happy now!</p><p></p><hr><p>If you agree with me the OP then why are you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing.  Seriously did you dumbasses even read all of my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing post.  I LIKE THE MOTHER [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ING CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.  I'm glad we are starting to see some balance incorporate itself back into our class, I'm glad to see the (how did Kaeros put it) Flavor of the Month Rangers sulking and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing and hopefully getting the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out of my class.  Go the hell away and go whine somewhere someone cares to listen.  We didn't get nerfed, we aren't getting screwed, even if we wind up in second or thrid or fourth or even lower dps spot guess what we still have a ton of things left about our class that are great and fulfilling. But you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] new breed idiot rangers wouldn't know that because all that you are is equal to Stream of Arrows and Stun poison so shut the hell up.  And at this juncture you freaking chicken little [Removed for Content] we haven't even begun to be nerfed/fixed yet, I feel a touch of remorse for the raiders that lost their procs they worked so hard to get, but wait then most of you opened your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] mouths and replaced that remorse with a feeling of you diserve it especiallly since most of the HARDCORE peeps whining about it anymore are ex fighter whatever turned Ranger wannabe's taking the loot from the real scouts in their guild who have been their and worked to get what and where they are and have.  Let me clearify one god [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] last time, I like the changes and any person dumb enough to read my original post and not see the sarcasm or dumb enough not to read the whole thing and realize that i'm not whining that instead I'm cheering, then you are the kind of Ranger I can't wait to see freaking leave.  I just hope to god that the balancing bat actually works in a T7 so you [Removed for Content] will go the hell away back to your trolling wizard forums or where ever the hell you came from and leave the true core Ranger class in peace and quit giving us a bad name.  ~.i.. just for all you dumbasses.</p></div><p>Message Edited by Gailstryder on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:31 AM</span></p>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div><p>Thankyou mr Gailstryder for your ah, so elegant posts.</p><p>(note: /sarcasm here, no offending purpose)</p><p> Is it a bad thing that our class got fixed (ok, they maybe overshoot a little) in the great combat revamp?Now, they are "balancing" us to where we belong?</p><p>I also think the changes were not bad, actually i kinda like em like you do. But.... Im against something like the change to the SoA. Why? Well, its usefulness in soloing was kinda put down. That is the part i dont like. AND if that was done because of balance issues? Why did they implement that CA as it was in the first place?</p><p>Didnt they do any proper testing and such beforehand? Are we REALLY playing as a beta testers? If so, i'd happily play for free. Not willing to pay 15 euros a month for a beta test.</p><p>Ok, maybe not a beta test, but ya know... I know that putting new things and stuff is not an easy job. And after all, it was just one CA.Its still very nice thou, just not in solo anymore <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (and i think i can live with that too... heh)</p><p>Had to say something, sry bros. Just shoot the bastaad mobs full with arrows, it helps! :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>++Xan</p><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class="date_text">02-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:13 AM</span></p>

[Cron]

I'm curious how any of you guys ever killed mobs prior to level 55. I mean, did you group with everyone and ride coattails to get to 55 so you could have SOA and solo on your own? I bet that was a big day for you. Stream is nothing more than a tool. One we didn't get until we could prove to ourselves and everyone else that we deserved to have it. I didn't even have a proc weapon until PGT (IIRC correctly, Stormfire doesn't proc?) and I didn't get to use that in the first 30+ levels.Kanna: I remember you and I remember the post you are talking about with the poison. I didn't send you hate mail. I will send you a piece of advice. Kaeros has done more for this community that you will ever know. He plays this game and is constantly looking for ways to improve our commmunity. He really does believe that no matter what they do to our class, it's the community we've built up that they can't destroy. To many times have I gotten advice or help from him only to have him say "help the next ranger" as payment. So you really don't have cause to ridicule him here.We did get things changed with the Devs and CU was a big day for the Rangers. You can't seem to remember that or just weren't there. And no matter what you complain about, we STILL aren't anywhere near what we were prior to CU. You know what that means? It means we are still ahead of the game and it STILL proves that working with the devs gets things fixed.I'm killing mobs in and out of groups. I'm still having fun with my Ranger and I haven't noticed that SOA is screwed up. I haven't been looking for it. I don't know what you are doing, but I know what I'm doing. I'm enjoying my character. I could tell you how, but then they'd have to nerf it. All we are saying is, if you have a problem with something, state it. Anyone going on about how the world is coming to an end, the Ranger is unplayable, boo hoo the devs hate us, is going to continue to get this response from the veteran Rangers.We have been through the fire and come out better for it. We are a closer community for it. We have a reputation for getting the job done, in-game and on forum. We don't complain about it. We just do it. People in game have complimented me on how friendly and cool our forum is. It's a shame to see it become ruined because of all the in-fighting. I hear posting /feedback does wonders to. Try it. Anyone can complain there and nobody but the devs will see the whine.<p>Message Edited by Cronon on <span class="date_text">02-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:45 AM</span></p>

[King Leor]

<div><div>Lol, illumin, Rangers are very good over long fights, (thats why we parse in top spot everytime on raids). We one grouped meeting of the minds the other night, fight took almost 6 minutes and I still got over 1200 DPS over the duration of the entire fight. A wizard wont do that, and in groups I would LOVE to see a wizard out DPS a ranger. ( a good ranger as the ones you play with must suck based on what you been saying)</div><div> </div><div>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</div></div>

[Siphar]

<div></div><div>You take anything from a class and they will complain, especially since rangers were overpowered before and they now operate more inline with the other classes.</div><div> </div><div>I mean comon the PGT procs like 110 power with a ward and +str almost every CA we used. SoA could be used to solo roost or any other higher lvl instance without breaking a sweat. These changes were good for the reasons of balance.</div><div> </div><div>Now what does need to be fixed and what isn't right is when SoE prevent armour from proc'ing and ignoring the needs for more choice post lvl 58 on weapon choice for rangers. i.e. a NEw frikkin bow maybe.</div><div> </div><div>We can still solo well in our own ranger-way anyway. I was soloing PoF ^^^ giants in my low 50's and i didn't use SoA. rangers who have become dependent on it now feel they log into an armless ranger.. a ranger without a string in his/her bow...</div><div> </div><div>Break the dependency and start acting like true rangers..  adapt. (my Ranger is called True - nice Pun eh)</div><div> </div><div>- True - 60th Ranger on Kithikor</div><div>- 57 Pally</div><div>- Various other noobs</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Siphar on <span class="date_text">02-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:12 PM</span></p>

[xandez]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cronon wrote: I'm curious how any of you guys ever killed mobs prior to level 55. I mean, did you group with everyone and ride coattails to get to 55 so you could have SOA and solo on your own? I bet that was a big day for you. Stream is nothing more than a tool. One we didn't get until we could prove to ourselves and everyone else that we deserved to have it.<font color="#ff9900">Yes youre right, wont affect that much overall. Just that if you have a nice sledgehammer and its taken away and some rubber small hammer is give to you to replace it, how are you supposed to feel for it?</font> I didn't even have a proc weapon until PGT (IIRC correctly, Stormfire doesn't proc?) and I didn't get to use that in the first 30+ levels.<font color="#ff9900">I remember when i got my PGT the 1st time... AHhhh the world kinda changed for me. I was then lvl 35 i think and soloed quite a lot, maybe 90% of my time. The PGT proc was amazing. It helped me sooooo much. </font><font color="#ff9900">*clip*</font> we STILL aren't anywhere near what we were prior to CU.<font color="#ff9900">So very true, these changes we have had are nothing more than annyoances. While they might feel bad, the changes itself are not that bad.</font>You know what that means? It means we are still ahead of the game and it STILL proves that working with the devs gets things fixed. I'm killing mobs in and out of groups. I'm still having fun with my Ranger and I haven't noticed that SOA is screwed up.<font color="#ff9900"></font><font color="#ff9900">Opps, this is what im been doing also... except im been playing more with my lvl 41 ranger (hehe he doesnt even know [Removed for Content] SoA is <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</font><font color="#ff9900">*clip*</font>It's a shame to see it become ruined because of all the in-fighting.<font color="#ff9900"></font><font color="#ff9900">Why, isnt some fighting and nice depate / arguing the purpose of these forums? Well, some have shot a bit overboard here (hmm not sure if i have, LOL) but things will calm down.</font>I hear posting /feedback does wonders to. Try it. Anyone can complain there and nobody but the devs will see the whine.<font color="#ff9900"></font><font color="#ff9900">Heh, havent done that yet, dunno if i will either... too lazy <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><hr><font color="#ff9900">++Xan</font></blockquote>

[DeusMachina]

<div></div>I have played a Ranger since my first day of picking up EQ2 long ago, and have never looked back since. I very rarely post on the forums, but I read them almost daily, and listen in (watch) on the Ranger worldwide channel. I'm a fairly quiet unassuming person in general, but there is one positive thing coming out of this that maybe everyone has overlooked. It is just possible that if enough hate is stirred up, that when the PVP servers go live, everyone will think that Rangers are now nerfed to high heaven, and that those who truly love being a Ranger for just being a Ranger will be able to make a toon without a million other little "IMA KILL U WIT MA UBERAGE" gankers sucking up all the Ranger gear and driving prices through the roof. Meanwhile, those of us who actually know what "kiting" is will overcome any playstyle changes and continue to adapt and overcome. I actually remember being a little disappointed with the CU because my very active (read running around jumping over logs, shooting arrows) solo style was replaced by just unleashing a barrage of CAs while standing in one spot watching baddies crumple. I'm really hoping that I will be able to play a Ranger on the PVP server, but I won't if I log into the Queens colony and a /who shows 10 players (3) Ranger, (4) Ranger, (2) Ranger, (1) Ranger, (3) Ranger, (5) Ranger, (2) Ranger, (2) Ranger, (3) Ranger, (1) Illusionist. Gotta take a stab at the Chanters to keep it real <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I actually really enjoyed being the underdog pre CU, and I hope we can actually regain it. Heck, I would love to see us stay at the top of the DPS list, just make it so that it takes some real determination and effort to milk that damage out like it used to be, and that would persude enough people to go roll Wizzies so they can just root and nuke. Anyway, just my 2cp, I just wish we could stay true to the day when pretty much the only Rangers you would see out there were the ones that always check the area around the water fountain at work to make sure they have room to move so they could avoid adds as they were hunting lol. My best to all Rangers out there. 

[Teksun]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cronon wrote:I'm curious how any of you guys ever killed mobs prior to level 55. I mean, did you group with everyone and ride coattails to get to 55 so you could have SOA and solo on your own? I bet that was a big day for you. Stream is nothing more than a tool. One we didn't get until we could prove to ourselves and everyone else that we deserved to have it. I didn't even have a proc weapon until PGT (IIRC correctly, Stormfire doesn't proc?) and I didn't get to use that in the first 30+ levels.Kanna: I remember you and I remember the post you are talking about with the poison. I didn't send you hate mail. I will send you a piece of advice. Kaeros has done more for this community that you will ever know. He plays this game and is constantly looking for ways to improve our commmunity. He really does believe that no matter what they do to our class, it's the community we've built up that they can't destroy. To many times have I gotten advice or help from him only to have him say "help the next ranger" as payment. So you really don't have cause to ridicule him here.We did get things changed with the Devs and CU was a big day for the Rangers. You can't seem to remember that or just weren't there. And no matter what you complain about, we STILL aren't anywhere near what we were prior to CU. You know what that means? It means we are still ahead of the game and it STILL proves that working with the devs gets things fixed.I'm killing mobs in and out of groups. I'm still having fun with my Ranger and I haven't noticed that SOA is screwed up. I haven't been looking for it. I don't know what you are doing, but I know what I'm doing. I'm enjoying my character. I could tell you how, but then they'd have to nerf it. All we are saying is, if you have a problem with something, state it. Anyone going on about how the world is coming to an end, the Ranger is unplayable, boo hoo the devs hate us, is going to continue to get this response from the veteran Rangers.We have been through the fire and come out better for it. We are a closer community for it. We have a reputation for getting the job done, in-game and on forum. We don't complain about it. We just do it. People in game have complimented me on how friendly and cool our forum is. It's a shame to see it become ruined because of all the in-fighting. I hear posting /feedback does wonders to. Try it. Anyone can complain there and nobody but the devs will see the whine.<p>Message Edited by Cronon on <span class="date_text">02-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:45 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>/whoopANOTHER great post... I'm just glad there are still some RANGERS out there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gailstryder wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Edit:  Far too many of you ignorant wanna be Rangers have read my OP and thought that i was agreeing with your driveling whining BS and I figured I'd put a halt to that right now.  My OP was pointing out all the things you whiney crybaby [Removed for Content] would view as a nerf when really they are legitimate fixes or nerfs so light and insignificant they can barely be called nerfs.  I feel for a few of you peeps like Khalan, Demlar, Goern, and a few others who have been around the block with the rest of us and actually earned some of the things they are haveing taken away, but the rest of you new breed [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [Removed for Content] Rangers can rot in hell and go back to playing the classes you never should have left.  I LIKE THE CHANGES, they might mean some of you idiots are leaving and in all they will bring balance back to my class.  Most of you are so blinded by your sniveling BS that you can't see past your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] goggles and see they have actually even fixed a few things pertaining to our class.  So anyway for all you idiots that keep saying oh the OP is so right we are getting nerfed and it sucks whine whine whine, that was never what i was saying and you need to get Hooked on Phoenix or something you dumbasses, because the whole point of the post that is now gone was that I am glad to see teh changes come and hopefully you idiots leave.  Im going to be happy when it gets back to just true deticated peeps who want to play a Ranger, not the current uber dps class, and I'm left with worthy new faces and the good ole Kaeros and Zholain posts about actual meaningful things and helpful advice.  For all of you chicken littles and dumbasses who are leaving, I hope the door hits you in your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] as you are going.</div><p>Message Edited by Gailstryder on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:46 AM</span></p><p></p><p></p><hr><p>What is worse....  Whining about changes in a video game, or whining about people whining?  Your opinion is important to me as is everyone elses.  Just don't knock folks for expressing thiers.</p><p>everyone freaks out when they hear the word NERF.  I don't understand this line of thinking as most say that it was not a NERF, it was game balancing and/ or fix.  That is the diffinition of a NERF.</p><p>People are losing thier heads because a few folks use a benign word to describe changes to thier favorite game.  More folks are freaking out because they used the N word in the forumns [NERF].</p><p>Can't we all just get along?</p><p></p></blockquote>