Fighting posion resistant mobs + Bite of the Shissar potion

[TwistedFaith]

Any raiders have tips/advice for rangers who fight posion resistant/immune mobs?Lockjaw I believe is immune or highly resistant to posion is that correct?With that in mind was is the best way to maximise your dps?I'm not sure if using the bite of shissar potion will do anything if the mob is immune I presume not?If the mob is highly resistant to posion will multiple rangers using the bite of shissar do more than just a single ranger using it, in other words does this potion stack?Next question, are there any ranger friendly debuff classes around. I know a brigand can debuff a lot, apart from that class are there any others that will help lower a mobs posion resist?Ohh for flame tipped arrows, how cool would they be <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Thanks.

[Deml]

<div></div>Swap your Shissar for Glox poison to debuff his pierce resists so your normal weapon skills do more damage to try and counter the fact that you're poison is getting resisted.  Also, group with a fury/wizard if possible to boost your int more for higher procs.

[theorbell]

<div></div><p>inquisitors debuff a bunch of stuff including physical mitigation, which helps your dps.  pretty sure warlocks debuff poison, but i havent grouped with a warlock in a long time so my memory is a bit fuzzy.</p><p>Glox was mentioned to lower pierce resists - remember this helps out other members of the raid too so let em know. </p><p>Also, though this isn't related to your personal dps, consider what you can do to raise the effectiveness of others when your poison doesn't work.  your T6 snare debuffs heat (wizards love that).  also consider debuff poisons that reduce str, agi etc to take pressure off the tank - not sure if these work on lockjaw since i use the Glox/bow strategy.</p>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>theorbell wrote:<div></div><p>inquisitors debuff a bunch of stuff including physical mitigation, which helps your dps.  pretty sure warlocks debuff poison, but i havent grouped with a warlock in a long time so my memory is a bit fuzzy.</p><p>Glox was mentioned to lower pierce resists - remember this helps out other members of the raid too so let em know. </p><p>Also, though this isn't related to your personal dps, consider what you can do to raise the effectiveness of others when your poison doesn't work.  your T6 snare debuffs heat (wizards love that).  also consider debuff poisons that reduce str, agi etc to take pressure off the tank - not sure if these work on lockjaw since i use the Glox/bow strategy.</p><hr></blockquote>Yeah I ended up going with the rare t6 potion that slowed his attack speed down, so like you said it helped the raid more.Hehe I still managed to do more damage then anyone else on the raid anyway <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Deml]

<div>Horrendous Atrophy (the attack speed slow poison) is in the "miscellaneous" poison category.  You can still use Glox or Shissar while you have that up.  We did Lockjaw last night and my poison setup as Adeste (always on) for damage, Glox for pierce debuff and Atrophy for attack slow (Use vs all named raid mobs).</div>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>Demlar wrote:<div>Horrendous Atrophy (the attack speed slow poison) is in the "miscellaneous" poison category.  You can still use Glox or Shissar while you have that up.  We did Lockjaw last night and my poison setup as Adeste (always on) for damage, Glox for pierce debuff and Atrophy for attack slow (Use vs all named raid mobs).</div><hr></blockquote>Does that work I was always under the impression that you could only have the following up at the same time:1. One damage poison (Adeste)2. One Debuff posion (Atrophy or Glox)3. One Stat potion (Resistant, Str stat etc)If that works then fantastic, we took down Lockjaw the other day and I was still pretty happy with my total DMG, around (85K). I'm not sure if thats good or bad, but the other Rangers didnt manage that.

[Lysanthir Ahmquissar]

<div></div><p>I certainly use: Adeste (damage); Shissar (poison) and whispering? (stun effect).</p><p>Probably going to drop the stun poison as it seems ineffective relative to the Touch of the Beholder that I used at 20th! Might be because I'm trying to use it on Harpies and they dole out stunning etc like nothing and might therefore be resistant.</p><p>I don't use Glox because I use a pierce and slash weapon and as a soloer I am not looking at helping others with their damage type. If I go to 2 pierce weapons then I can definitely see the attraction of Glox.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Deml]

<div></div><p>Atrophy falls into the Miscellaneous section of poisons with Stun and Stifle.  Because of that you can have the setup I said, I use it all the time.  You can have:</p><p>1 Damage type1 Debuff type (Glox, Shissar, Djinn) anything that lowers the target resistance by X1 misc type (a poison that does not deal damage and doesn't lower a targets resistance) </p><p>That's the easiest way to look at it.  Yes, there are exceptions for some of the damage poisons that only last 4 procs but imho, those are worthless poisons so I don't even consider them for any arrangement people would use.</p><p>With the poison changes I'm guessing the snare, slow, stun, stifle all fall into the miscellaneous category and the poisons that lower resists or stats fall into the debuff category.  If I'm right you can have a DD poison (Finally), lower the mobs str and combat art effectiveness and decrease it's attack speed.  That would be a raid setup I would think.  Soloing would be something like DD, Snare or Stun, and either poison resist or mitigation debuff poison.  I'm not on test though so this is all speculation on upcoming changes.</p>