Looks like melee weapons causing bow to proc days are numbered.

[Drevva]

<div></div> Hopefully I did the link correctly , if not check the dev posts.link is <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60069#M60069" target="_blank">here</a>The dev indicated that melee weapons are not suppose to proc on bows,  regardless of what is currently happening with some weapons(PGT)  and this will be fixed.I think this fine and dandy as it never really made much sense but if they do this they best add more procing bows , (Prismatics) as proccing melee weapons really don't bring much to a ranger.Drevva<p>Message Edited by Drevva on <span class="date_text">01-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:30 PM</span></p>

[Meerosh]

<div></div><p>OHHHH I'm so not happy with this..no not happy at all....happiness does not exist for this...gone is happiness.</p><p> </p><p>:smileymad:</p>

[Gareorn]

<div></div><div>Copy and pasted for ease.  This is good info.  I don't like it obviously...</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><hr size="2" width="100%"><blockquote>-procs in ranged combat are not occuring <u>at all</u>.</blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%">Intended. It's a sword. Your bow is not going to make it proc. Unless you're shooting your sword out of your bow. Which would be humorous, but I don't think there's a case when that would work out really well. There was an issue causing other weapons to proc on range, which was completely unintentional, and will be fixed (quite to the protest of rangers, I would imagine - but seriously, it just doesn't make sense and procs weren't intended to work that way on weapons). If you have a bow with a proc, it should proc when you're shooting your bow. If you have a sword that procs, it should proc when you're using the sword.As far as the number of times it procs during melee combat, I'll take a look as soon as I get a moment.<div></div><p></p><div>__________Noel WallingGame Designer, EverQuest II</div></div><p></p><hr>

[Fennir]

I had a feeling the constant complaining about that sabre would get us some unneeded attention.  Oh well.  Adapt and overcome.<div></div>

[GLAARG]

but CMR / CMC are still supposed to proc by bow attacks .. kinda senseless aswell.now thats bad news if you got a lot of nice shiny proc weapons <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />guess its time to go for stats again *sigh*

[Vimy]

Well I guess it's finally time to retire the PGT then.  Was nice while it lasted.It won't hurt me too bad though.  Only weapon I had that would proc was the SSoY, and I think it's only a 2% proc or something.  Some of our raiding ranger brethen will probably feel the effects more.<div></div>

[Crychtonn]

<div></div><p>I can live with loosing the proc's from melee weapons.  But if they change it so other items like the Cryptic items and Shield of Striking only work on melee I will get upset.  And they sure as hell better add some more fable bows and ones that actually have proc's.  Them only putting in one T6 fable bow with no proc while having dozens of weapons with proc's for other classes is just wrong.</p><p> </p>

[AratornCalahn]

Awesome fix IMO<div></div>

[Gareorn]

<div><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>Said the brigand...</div><div> </div><div>And an even better one is:</div><div> </div><div>- Double Up and Flashy Throw are no longer given to Brigands.</div><div> </div><div>Silly troll.:smileyhappy:</div>

[Vimy]

<span>I <font color="#cc0000"><3</font> Gareorn.   <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

[AratornCalahn]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>Said the brigand...</div><div> </div><div>And an even better one is:</div><div> </div><div>- Double Up and Flashy Throw are no longer given to Brigands.</div><div> </div><div>Silly troll.:smileyhappy:</div><hr></blockquote>Thats a bug fix, silly ranger. Theres nothing to nerf for brigands.. our heals are borken, our pet is bugged and illusy have more power regen than us.Ive thought that bows procing swords was stupid since I first found out it happned. I didn't actualy think they would fix it cos of how much the rangers would whine. I guess I underestimated SOE, so Awesome fix IMO.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by AratornCalahn on <span class="date_text">01-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:32 PM</span></p>

[Beldin_]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vimy wrote:Well I guess it's finally time to retire the PGT then.  Was nice while it lasted.It won't hurt me too bad though.  Only weapon I had that would proc was the SSoY, and I think it's only a 2% proc or something.  Some of our raiding ranger brethen will probably feel the effects more.<hr></blockquote><p>God old PGT .. so i guess i will finally start buying something to drink *sigh* :smileysurprised:</p><p>However i can stop now to browse the broker each day for a nice procing weapon .. and can be happy that i never had the luck to find a good one till now <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>/shrug</p><p>Adapt and overcome indeed. It never made sense in the first place, but it was nice while it lasted. I'll miss it from my Prismatic Swiftblade, but overall this will just constitute an inconvenience, nothing more.</p>

[arkkon]

<div></div><p>uktrls and cryptic arent weapons and this isnt rl.</p><p> </p><p>Most rangers have no idea how much damage procs do on a raid.</p><p>Im not saying that its a bad thing to not know, im saying they simply dont because proc weapons are so rare.</p><p>Prismatic,pgt are the common ones.  Cobalt doesnt count :p.</p><p> </p><p>All those strap of flaying rangers will be happy.</p>

[Lexan]

<div>If your a ranger and dont realize the power of melee weapons proc your an idiot!!!!</div>

[Lexan]

<div>o but good news the Dark fury of anuk will be equiped lmfao.</div>

[Gareorn]

<div>Not really much to overcome.  So we have to buy more drinks, like everyone else, and get a slight reduction in DPS because of the loss of a few procs.  Big deal.  It's not like any Rangers are going to go to another class's forum and start whining because we have nothing left to nerf or that assasins have a better back stab.</div><div> </div><div>As I see it, the overall impact of this change will be minimal.  I'll bet it doesn't take a week for us to figure out how to get our DPS back up anyway.</div>

[Turtle]

<div></div><div><p><font size="3" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ffffff">I agree it never made since for the procing to happen in the first place.<span>  </span>Of course we will “adapt” as people like to say…we don’t have a choice.<span>  </span>I know it was already mentioned, but I’m left wondering if SOE will be implementing some nice procing bows anytime soon.<span>  </span>Sure we can buy imbued from crafters, which seem to be the best bows in the game, but can we get some good procing bows for quest rewards and loots…this is the primary weapon of a ranger especially in our later levels (when we get more bow CAs).<span>  </span>Please SOE with a cherry on top!</font><font color="#ffffff"> :smileyhappy:</font></font></p></div>

[arkkon]

<div></div><div>the bp. the shield. what happens to them.</div><div>wtb answers from illucide( the ranger dev).</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[hieronym]

<div>its an annoyance but its not the end of the world for us rangers. I do disgusing damage in raids and the only other damage proc apart from the bow i use is the pris1 in my off hand.  formans shank is nice in main for when i solo but thats the only 2 proc damage weapons i use. </div><div> </div><div>I can soon go back to having a better damage rating using 2 T6 weapons now instead of a non melee hitting T5 :smileytongue:</div>

[King Leor]

<div></div><div></div><p>I have gotten word from Ilucide on the proccing. here's his quote:</p><p> </p><b><span>"Re: weapons proccing on bows</span></b><p>Items that are not weapons will not be affected, so far as I know. It's not a fix "of mine", it's just a fix. In fact, I had nothing to do with it, I just happened to mention it in passing the Darkfury Saber thread, because I was getting a lot of PMs about the issue.-Ilu"</p><p>I asked him if shields and BP's will still proc etc. That was his reply, so yes our shields and BP will atleast be safe.  Hope this helps :0)</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p><p>Message Edited by King Leoric on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:58 AM</span></p>

[xandez]

So you cant shoot your sword or your dagger etc with your bow, but with SOE logic you can shoot you BREASTPLATE or SHIELD with your bow? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />MUAH <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>Well, i think that bow proccing melee weapons has been silly also, even thou i have enjoyed my PGT effect very much. Time to put that puppy to the rest i guess. After this change, the prismatic weapons surely are the most beneficial for a ranger, since they atleast give you nice stats + imcombat power regen.++Xan<div></div>

[tom1301]

<div></div>Think a little.Your bow is going to proc when you hit with your arrow.Your breastplate or shield is going to proc when you *get* hit.It's quite sensible in my opinion.Greetings,tom1301P.S.: And to those who should feel adressed: Please stop that "I do disgusting/awsome/terrible etc. damage and I am the uber DD on my server and was the first one to hit and blah blah blah". No one cares about that. Stick to the matter in the thread<div></div><p>Message Edited by tom1301 on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:49 AM</span></p>

[Mentla]

We always seem to suffer at the hands of the inane lack of logic SOE cherrish.  a 'proc' is a magical effect caused by attacking something.  Magic doesn't require physical contact, otherwise wizzys would be right in there slapping the mobs!  I can see there reasoning but I don't like it!If they are using logic, why will poisens only proc off our primary weapon?  If you are going into the field and rubbing some poisen on the end of you spear in your primary hand, surely you would rub it on the second weapon too?!  Or are they suggesting Ranger's are stupid?Sorry if I'm ranting (and rambling) a bit, but I like other's have spent good coin of proccing weapons that are now near useless  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Couldn't sleep last night, kept seeing my PGT gathering dust at the back of a cupbaord, +27 STR crying out for a good home, +200 mana left cold and alone......<div></div>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>tom1301 wrote:<div></div>Think a little.<font color="#ff9900">Yes thankyou i DO have brains... maybe a /sarcasm tag should be put on my previous post thou... *shrug*</font>Your bow is going to proc when you hit with your arrow.<font color="#ff9900">And to figure out something like THIS took someone ~1 year ? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font>Your breastplate or shield is going to proc when you *get* hit.<font color="#ff9900">Of course, if they wouldnt do that, the procs on em would be obsolete...<font color="#ffcc00">*EDIT*</font><font color="#ffcc00"></font><font color="#ffcc00">theres also offensive procs, which iirc are proccing when we shoot with the bow? ehheheeee....</font></font><hr></blockquote><font color="#ff9900">++Xan</font><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:43 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:44 AM</span></p>

[Dojoc]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>lol, said the 60er brigand who cannot solo a lvl 15 heroic mob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[Cael]

<div>Does this effect prismatics as well?</div>

[EverMan]

<div></div>It effects all melee weapons, but hey it soe they will prob forget a few :smileyvery-happy:

[Cael]

<div></div><div>So in other words prismatics are now jewelry?</div><div>Wow, thats quite a nerf.</div><div> </div><div>Prismatics for all yay, not rangers, Primatic 2 for all yay, not rangers, HQ weapons for all yay, not rangers.</div><div>Thats crazy.</div>

[EverMan]

<div>I just made a post on item fourm a request form the dev post if u feel as strongly as i do and pls no flamming <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60159" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60159</a></div><div> </div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>EverMania wrote:<div>I just made a post on item fourm a request form the dev post if u feel as strongly as i do and pls no flamming <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60159" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60159</a></div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Just a little friendly advice, in the post you have linked replace 'sence' with 'since' which is the correct spelling <span>:smileyhappy:</span></span><div></div>

[EverMan]

<div>doh send pm :smileyvery-happy: don't make me look dumb</div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>EverMania wrote:<div>doh send pm :smileyvery-happy: don't make me look dumb</div><hr></blockquote>lol - sorry, was trying to do the exact opposite.  Doesn't matter on the Ranger forum, we're all brothers  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Brothers with no idea what to do with our melee weapons  <span><span>:smileysad:</span></span></span><div></div>

[Siphar]

<div></div><div>So if no proc, another dps nerf.. no PGT <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by Siphar on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:31 AM</span></p>

[GrayStorm]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Bah, I have a Vacre Av Sim (I think it's called).  It was a world discovery T5 DW slasher with a proc called simply 'poison'.  I guess I won't be needing it anymore.  I know that gleaming strikes don't stack, but cobalt has better stats, so back to Cobalt FTW!!  In fact, I'm going to need a non-imbued cobalt weap until I get another t6 fabled for my off hand.  =(</p><p>Edited again now that I've calmed down.  I still hate you Sony.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:51 AM</span></p>

[illum]

<div></div><div>the dps balance will be thrown off from this...i have both a wizard and ranger, and i do about the same dps with both so for those who complained about how rangers were overpowered...learn how to play your class.</div><div> </div><div>that being said, proc off a bow? why not? for anyone who used to play rpg's back in the day when paper and pencil were used, you might remember that certain magical weapons gave the user abilities to cast spells.  you didn't need to swing your sword to cast fireball.  i viewed the proc off the bow the same thing...you're WEARING the item, you GET the ability...but too many people want to nerf rangers because they dont know how to play their own class.</div><div> </div><div>i dont mind that the dev's decided to take the proc off the bow...but they need to think this through and make more bows...there's only so much str / agi can do...short of making an item with+200 str / agi...make more bows with procs...there's what? 1 non crafted bow per tier IF you're lucky enough to be in a raid and one is available and drops.  there's how many prismatics and other items for all the other classes?  if this is going to be a real fix, they need to add content for rangers...right now we're dependant on other class items to really do our job.</div><div> </div><div><div>next time you're in a raid and you wonder why it's taking longer for the mob to go down, just remember YOU complained enough to help make this happen.  gratz.</div></div>

[Deml]

<div></div><p>They said months ago that they were removing the melee weapon procs from bows.  That was back when they removed the bow proc from melee weapons.  This change sucks since they missed it initially but should have happened pre-lu13.  I'm not happy about it, but if they start putting in more bows with real procs, and more gear with procs, it might help compensate a bit.</p><p>For any trolls here, we'll actually lose a TON of DPS by this change, since when your melee weapons procced on your bow, all of your other procs had a chance to go off again.  Just have to wait to see what the total damage is on this though.  Hopefully they will stop at weapons and the shield, armor, etc will still work.  Just means I need to work even harder to get the shield from Zalak.</p>

[Kasm]

<div></div>Lol... really I mean no disrespect just trying to wrap my mind around a troll ranger

[draconetti]

my problem with the fix is that it contradicts previous changes/current thinking for duel wield procs.that being along the lines the duel wielding gleaming strike weapons does not double the melee gleaming strike procs - or in other words that the proc is applied to the toon and not the weapon, and that same procs do not stack.along those lines it fits that other weapon procs (description allowing) are therefore applied to the toon, and not the weapon. hence we get Prismatic Shard procs from the bow for example. imho this theory fits better with the previous changes, and if this is not the way it should be shouldn't duel wielding double the proc chance by default?<div></div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><p>This is total crap!!!  First they try to stealth nurf poison rares....  Now they add salt to the wound by nerfing weop procs with logic that is flawed as the reason....  </p><p>here is my logic to the nerf... The new stuff does not proc off bows...  They don't know why... They don't want to pay coders to fix it... easier to label working as intended  [ I know I work with software developers every day :smileytongue: ]</p>

[Gailstryd]

<div></div>In the end I don't care about the melee weapon procs, it won't affect me much since I couldn't win a fabled weapon with loaded dice with or without a proc.  However, now that they are taking this away from us I do believe they need to give us some actually bows beyond the rare tier wood imbued longbow.  Across the entire expanse of the game there aren't many fabled bows or bows period that are worth using beyond the standard imbued for your tier.  It is crap in my opinion and I never really felt like saying much about it since we got fabled melee weapons that gave us some nice add ons to our bow.  But now melee weapons aren't of much use to us at all except as stat lumps and if everyone else in the game gets to have their main weapons fabled and proc'd or whatever it is high time SOE put in some bows for us to use it's not even like we are the only ones who would use them either.  Like I said the melee proc's don't make much of a difference to me and the loss of however much dmg is fine in my book, one less thing for peeps to be complaining about, but they just affectively made Rangers the only class that doesn't have any fabled upgrades to their main weapon and one freakin bow in all of t6 doesn't even come close to cutting it.  I encourage everyone to let SOE know we want some fabled bows.

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Dojocan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>lol, said the 60er brigand who cannot solo a lvl 15 heroic mob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah brigands suck!! I cant belive I actualy got to 60 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[GrayStorm]

<div></div><div>I'm not going to whine anymore about this.  If they scr3w us in this next update, I'm done with this game.  I'll speak with my wallet, and go play WoW until Vanguard comes out.</div><div> </div><div>EDIT:  Ok, after a month I'll play something else until Vanguard, since I'll be bored with Wow by then hehehehehe</div><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:45 AM</span></p>

[GrayStorm]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Dojocan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>lol, said the 60er brigand who cannot solo a lvl 15 heroic mob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah brigands suck!! I cant belive I actualy got to 60 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><div>Our brigand was #2 DPS on every raid (we raid every day) until very recently.  Better than all mages.... better than assassins.  Don't say our mages suck because they're some of the best players/best geared on the server.  And we have several of each class.  So either Brigands need nerfing (after all, they are only Tier 2 dps) or you really suck terribly at playing your class.  Not to mention, Brigands are awesome at PvP.  Our Brigand is one of the only non-rangers on our server that offers any competition for me.  So say it with me "NERF THE BRIGANDS!!!"  LOL</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:58 AM</span></p>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>If you seriously view this as a nerf, you should definitely hang up your bow and go play WoW.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>People must feel so weak and powerless, when one change like this throws them into fits. And I'm a pretty average ranger, I've nowhere near the uber blabbity-blah that some folks are. I'd expect those of us who don't wear Fabled from head to toe to be more upset about this, cuz we're doing less damage already. But I really don't feel like this will cripple us at all.</p>

[Vimy]

<span><blockquote><hr>GrayStorm wrote:<div></div><blockquote>Our brigand was #2 DPS on every raid (we raid every day) until very recently.  Better than all mages.... better than assassins.  Don't say our mages suck because they're some of the best players/best geared on the server.  And we have several of each class.  So either Brigands need nerfing (after all, they are only Tier 2 dps) or you really suck terribly at playing your class.  Not to mention, Brigands are awesome at PvP.  Our Brigand is one of the only non-rangers on our server that offers any competition for me.  So say it with me "NERF THE BRIGANDS!!!"  LOL </blockquote><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>GrayStorm, you obviously haven't visited the brigand forums.   They're much better at downplaying their ubah'ness than rangers are.   <span>I mean look at 'em!   Their heals are broke and their pets got nerf'd.  :smileywink:</span></span><div></div>

[GrayStorm]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><p>If you seriously view this as a nerf, you should definitely hang up your bow and go play WoW.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>People must feel so weak and powerless, when one change like this throws them into fits. And I'm a pretty average ranger, I've nowhere near the uber blabbity-blah that some folks are. I'd expect those of us who don't wear Fabled from head to toe to be more upset about this, cuz we're doing less damage already. But I really don't feel like this will cripple us at all.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Shhh!  We're playing the forum game!  He who whines loudest dodges the nerf bat.  Haven't you played this game before?</p><p>... and I'm pretty sure I said "If they scr3w us in this next update".  I wasn't talking about this little proc thing specifically.  I meant if they nerf us to heck 'in general'.  Believe me, if that happens, you'll be [Removed for Content] too.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:08 PM</span></p>

[Vimy]

<span><blockquote><hr>GrayStorm wrote:<div></div>Shhh!  We're playing the forum game!  He who whines loudest dodges the nerf bat.  Haven't you played this game before?<hr></blockquote>Now it's starting to make sense.   LOL</span><div></div>

[Poochymama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caelum wrote:<div></div><div>So in other words prismatics are now jewelry?</div><div>Wow, thats quite a nerf.</div><div> </div><div>Prismatics for all yay, not rangers, Primatic 2 for all yay, not rangers, HQ weapons for all yay, not rangers.</div><div>Thats crazy.</div><hr></blockquote>And tanks. There is no Prismatic 2 tank weapon either. Just a scout and priest one.

[King Leor]

<div></div><p></p><hr>tom1301 wrote:<p><span><strong><em><u></u></em></strong></span></p><strong><em><u><img border="0" width="1" alt="" height="1" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif"></u></em></strong><div><strong><em><u></u></em></strong></div><p><em>Think a little.Your bow is going to proc when you hit with your arrow.<strong><font color="#cc0033">Your breastplate or shield is going to proc when you *get* hit.</font></strong></em>It's quite sensible in my opinion.Greetings,tom1301P.S.: And to those who should feel adressed: Please stop that "I do disgusting/awsome/terrible etc. damage and I am the uber DD on my server and was the first one to hit and blah blah blah". No one cares about that. Stick to the matter in the thread</p><hr>Umm, I think you have peoples concerns mixed up here a bit. The procs we are refering to that are on our shields and BP's are offensive procs that would proc when ATTACKING, not being ATTACKED. So people wanted to know if our cryptic BP's, and shields of striking would still proc while using the bow. And as I have previously stated, they will.<p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><p>You guys need to settle down and stop with the sky is falling attitude. Sure it will lower our DPS, but we were probably a little too high anyways. Perhaps this will bring us down to Tier 1 levels again.</p><p>It's not that major of a dps loss, nothing to drop us out of tier 1 anyways.</p><p>Everyone knew it was coming, and while I may not like it nor agree with it. I will live with it and move on, that is the ranger way.</p><p> </p><p>I DO agree we need more t6 Fabled Weaponry/bows to compensate now however. We are the only class where our Best Weapon is Crafted Legendary.</p>

[Iamth]

<div></div>Just wait until they make our CAs based off of cast time instead of bow delay.  No more soloing blue con named ^^^s!

[athitchcock]

<div></div><p>The imbued shirts and pants put a buff on your character, weapons don't. An update long ago said bows would no longer proc melee weapons. You had to know they would correct it eventually, I don't really see it as a deal breaker. (I'm not an uber raider though) At least they are tweaking us, minor adjustments in dps, instead of going hard and knocking us back to teir 3 dps (i.e. the previously mentioned CAs that work off of bow delay).</p><p>I think if they added a prismatic bow it would be awesome and would probably get most people here to be quiet for a while. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Don't worry too much, the new update may let you betray at any level. So all of you people that started as goodies can become assassins if things go badly for us. (assuming assassins would be better) Then you can proc your melee weapons all you want.</p><p>Gnaril58 Ogre RangerUnrest</p>

[xandez]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>King Leoric wrote:<div></div><p></p>Umm, I think you have peoples concerns mixed up here a bit. The procs we are refering to that are on our shields and BP's are offensive procs that would proc when ATTACKING, not being ATTACKED. So people wanted to know if our cryptic BP's, and shields of striking would still proc while using the bow. And as I have previously stated, they will.<hr></blockquote>Muah, so this is as i sarcastically thought <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />we are gonna shoot breastplates and shields, but NOT swords... wheeee... loller++Xan

[Mentla]

For all the good and bad arguments for and against, I find myself agreeing with the fighter on page 2.I like chicken too.<div></div>

[Siphar]

<div></div><p>I actually think its quite funny as Rangers hit 60 they strive for that extra few DPS daily in the form of expensive masters or simply re-camping T5 mobs weekly for a offensive proc item. We then all get used to our power and ability to kill various named and be wanted everywhere in grps/raids etc.</p><p>We then get nerf'd and we all come here and argue and moan about how hard it is going to hit us and how we are going to go play WoW and Vanguard.</p><p>I believe we are number 1 tier 1 DPS so i think you should leave our dps alone, if you want to nerf us then please just nerf our solo named killing abilities along with all the other classes that can do it. Grey out named mobs unless you in a grp of 3+ its quite simple.</p><p>Now less of the stealth DPS nerfs and more game fixes and design... i have see invis on and i SEE you......... /steps back into the bushes</p>

[Niuan]

<div></div><p>Rangers are getting hit harrrd with the nerf bat!  [ if anyone says this is not a nerf please look up deffinition of the word ]  I expect other < Insert Envious Class Name Here> to say quit your crying etc etc.  But fellow rangers promoting saying to stop complaining and just take it in the shorts.  I don't agree with this form of pacifism and I strongly feel that if you have ANY feelings on this you should speak your mind.</p><p>Here is the debate:  Should the developers leave ranger dps in relation to proccing damage alone?</p><p>People for the Nerf are saying:  <font color="#ff0000">[Argument A]</font>  It is a bug and never inteded to happen.  <font color="#ff0000">[Argument B]</font> Does not make sense in a roleplaying sense.</p><p>People against the Nerf are saying:  <font color="#ff0000">[Argument A]</font> Doesn't sony do testing?  If DPS is the main concern then fine tweak numbers across a broad range of things lowering DPS.   Selection of proccing weops that complement our bows are a way to personalise our rangers and not just be a cookie cutter class.  <font color="#ff0000">[Argument B]</font>  It depends at how you look at proccing ability.  I have always thought of a proc as a gained ability from attaining an item.  Something that enhanced ME not just the weop I am holding.  I find it just as easy to imagine a magic aura around me from finding a magic item as it is to imagine an item with a magic arua around it.</p><p>Closing words:</p><p>If Sony would come straight out and say that we do too much DPS how can we lower that, let the rangers help with coming up with solutions this would settle better.  Instead they are taking a passive aggressive approach and lower our dps and call it a bug fix.  Alot of great things in this world was discovered unintentionaly does that mean we throw away those treasures because luck was involved?  Instead refine the treasure that is our ability to personalise our rangers and be unique in selecting weops that complement our main area of expertise... shooting arrows.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Quillian Feetfa]

<div></div><div>I don't know if anyone else has brought up this point yet, but look at the description of Confusion Arrow.  It says it causes MELEE damage.  If it's causing MELEE damage, then it should be able to use a proc from a Melee weapon.  Maybe they need to update their CA descriptions so that they are clearer, I don't know.</div><div> </div><div>Also, I know the Bow will proc my PGT, but I didn't think it would proc an Imbued weapon that is in use.  It's been so long since I used a Non-Imbued bow that I don't remember.  Anyone care to shed some light on this?</div><div> </div><div>Thanks,</div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>Niuan wrote:<p>Rangers are getting hit harrrd with the nerf bat!  [ if anyone says this is not a nerf please look up deffinition of the word</p><hr></blockquote>Man, I hate to be the one to do this, but I looked up nerf.  No mention in my English language dictionary.  In the American Heritage Dictionary I found the following:Nerf  </span><font size="-1"><a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/12.html" target="_blank">PRONUNCIATION</a>:</font> <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/35/N0063550.wav" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="13" height="21" alt="" src="http://www.bartleby.com/images/[Removed for Content].jpg"></a> nûrf A trademark used for a variety of foam rubber toys.<div></div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Niuan wrote:<p>Rangers are getting hit harrrd with the nerf bat!  [ if anyone says this is not a nerf please look up deffinition of the word</p><hr></blockquote>Man, I hate to be the one to do this, but I looked up nerf.  No mention in my English language dictionary.  In the American Heritage Dictionary I found the following:Nerf  </span><font size="-1"><a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/12.html" target="_blank">PRONUNCIATION</a>:</font> <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/35/N0063550.wav" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="13" alt="" height="21" src="http://www.bartleby.com/images/[Removed for Content].jpg"></a> nûrf A trademark used for a variety of foam rubber toys.<div></div><hr></blockquote><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf%28computer_games%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf%28computer_games%29</a>

[Mentla]

dontcha<div></div>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>"Melee" damage in EQ2 means physical damage. It doesn't mean 'damage inflicted from a hand-to-hand weapon.' For better or worse, there is no 'ranged' or 'projectile' damage in the mechanics of this game.</p><p>Personally, I'd rather they fix an unintended consequence of weapon buffs than start messing with the fundamentals of our class. I'm in the minority there, but I prefer indirect changes that will gradually lower our DPS instead of direct reductions to our skills or abilities.</p><p> </p>

[Sokolov]

They need to better define procs.A long time I made a post that outlined different proc types and came up with names for them all.  No one really cared then.In any case, when there is a proc, it needs to be clear whether the proc is a "buff" and will apply to any and all attacks, or if it's "limited" and will be restricted to the item it is imbued onto.  In my opinion, having this distinction is kind of silly and makes things needlessly complicated, every proc will now theoritically need an additional qualifier as to which slots can cause it to proc (even if we never see this). In my opinion, the "fix" should be normalize all non-attack procs to a standard delay of fixed duration.  Autoattack procs will still be normalized based on weapon delay.  Poisons and procs can tend once again proc off all 3 weapon slots.End of story.<div></div>

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>Well, "melee" is a funny thing in EQ2, our bow CA's say they inflict melee dmg for the most part. However, if a warlock put virulent grasp on somoene it says, "on successful melee attack it will do X amount of dmg." now this wont proc if we are using a bow cuz the bow it'self isn't considered melee. So in all, when we attack with bows, although we inflict melee dmg it isn't from a melee wep.</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>

[illum]

<div></div><div></div><div>wow...i wish people would figure out rangers are not the best DPS in game.  we're are on par with wizards...the difference is most rangers just unload, while wizards space out their attacks or cast procs and buffs on everyone else (including the ranger).  in several groups i've seen logs of, where there were competitions between rangers and wizards / warlocks for pure dps, the amount was almost the same...some times rangers were on top, others the mages.</div><div> </div><div>then i see other people state that ranger abilities to fight named mobs should be nerfed...if this is the case, so should all the other classes...conjurers solo roost all the time, i've seen paladins solo named ^^^, i've seen a 52 wizard solo CQ3.</div><div> </div><div>all classes are about (or at least were) equally powerful...the only difference is some people suck at playing their class or eq2 in general and have to complain, and then dev's make changes based on faulty data or to keep their customer base.</div><div> </div><div>the only real way to equal things out is make tanks impossible to hit and do zero damage, and all other classes have identical DD skills with the only difference being names and the graphic displayed.</div><p>Message Edited by illumin on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:36 PM</span></p>

[Siphar]

<div>actually no.. if a ranger goes all out dps on traits and gear, he should ber tier 1           i.e joint top best</div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>Siphar wrote:<div><font color="#ff0000"><b>actually no..</b></font> if a ranger goes all out dps on traits and gear, he should ber tier 1           i.e joint top best</div><hr></blockquote>Did you read all of it?</span><div></div>

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>GrayStorm wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Dojocan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>lol, said the 60er brigand who cannot solo a lvl 15 heroic mob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah brigands suck!! I cant belive I actualy got to 60 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><div>Our brigand was #2 DPS on every raid (we raid every day) until very recently.  Better than all mages.... better than assassins.  Don't say our mages suck because they're some of the best players/best geared on the server.  And we have several of each class.  So either Brigands need nerfing (after all, they are only Tier 2 dps) or you really suck terribly at playing your class.  Not to mention, Brigands are awesome at PvP.  Our Brigand is one of the only non-rangers on our server that offers any competition for me.  So say it with me "NERF THE BRIGANDS!!!"  LOL</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>That brigand was obviously expoliting, no Brigand should get more than 15th DPS on a raid. If they do then the rest of the raid must seriously suck. Now if you want something to nerf, you should check out those conjys and necros who do more damage than freaking wizzards LOL whats up with that? Even Furys (UBER class Fury) do WAY more damamge than Wizzys. Never mind rangers.So in conclusion I agree brigands were nerfed and now are a sucky class to play <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[GrayStorm]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>GrayStorm wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Dojocan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>AratornCalahn wrote:Awesome fix IMO<div></div><hr></blockquote>lol, said the 60er brigand who cannot solo a lvl 15 heroic mob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah brigands suck!! I cant belive I actualy got to 60 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><div>Our brigand was #2 DPS on every raid (we raid every day) until very recently.  Better than all mages.... better than assassins.  Don't say our mages suck because they're some of the best players/best geared on the server.  And we have several of each class.  So either Brigands need nerfing (after all, they are only Tier 2 dps) or you really suck terribly at playing your class.  Not to mention, Brigands are awesome at PvP.  Our Brigand is one of the only non-rangers on our server that offers any competition for me.  So say it with me "NERF THE BRIGANDS!!!"  LOL</div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by GrayStorm on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>That brigand was obviously expoliting, no Brigand should get more than 15th DPS on a raid. If they do then the rest of the raid must seriously suck. Now if you want something to nerf, you should check out those conjys and necros who do more damage than freaking wizzards LOL whats up with that? Even Furys (UBER class Fury) do WAY more damamge than Wizzys. Never mind rangers.So in conclusion I agree brigands were nerfed and now are a sucky class to play <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Your opinions of what rank the brigs should come in is irrelevent.  I am talking about what position they actually do come in.  This is from months of raiding on a daily basis.  Now what's interesting, is that recently our Necro has managed to grab the top spot on numerous occassions.  Also, the Wizard and Assassin dps seems to be improving.  Our wizard said he's very happy now that he is able to 'unload' more and not instantly grab aggro.  I can't remember what he said they changed, but he's a much happier camper.  By recent, I'm talking about the last 7-14 days. </p><p>Our brig really knows his class, and is very well geared... but then again, so are our other classes.  We're all close to fully fabled in t6 goodies.  Although gear may be a moot issue with regards to rangers, because we have a new ranger with no uber gear that is right on top of the dps pile time and time again.</p><p>Now when we go into poets palace the return and grab those massive encounters with umpteen million mobs our Fury comes out on top dps-wise (our warlock has be afk for many weeks now).  He's posting 1400 dps on those encounters hehe.   Poets is a nice place to check sustained dps b/c those 3rd floor mobs have a ton of hit points.  You can really get a good long, accurate average dps. </p><p> </p><p> </p>