Suggestions?

[brandi7920]

<div>Ok so I don't use a parser but raid leader or guild leader will usually tell me what I'm parsing and I am usually 1 or 2 in DPS ...which is not too surprising since I don't have to joust and all of that fun stuff. I'm also the only consistent raiding Ranger in the Fellowship. There are 2 other Rangers that don't raid very often at all, one is not quite 55 and the other is 59. The younger Ranger is a close friend so I can point him in the right direction (based off some experience and some gleaned advice from you guys, hehe) however I don't know the lvl 59 guys so well. We've only talked a few times, and that's when he's ordering new adept 3s or jewelry. Ok so there's a bit of back ground. LOL</div><div> </div><div>So the 59 Ranger was at the raid on Sunday and my guild leader sent me a tell and said, hey he's not even on the top 20 parse list, can you send him some suggestions? So I inspected him, and let him no that his Valian prolly wasn't hitting. So he switched to the ever trusty imbued Ironwood. After the raid, the raid leader parsed the raid and noted that the other Ranger never used Stream of Arrows. He asked me to talk to him about using that CA.</div><div> </div><div>How do you do that tactfully? I don't want him to think that I'm suggesting he's 'not playing right'. I can see how he wouldn't want to draw aggro, and it's bound to happen sometime even if you do have Amends on etc. I kind of feel like it's not my place, but at the same time...the more DPS he's doing the more he's going to be contributing to taking down the mobs faster. (granted he doesn't raid often)</div><div> </div><div>I'm a softie and don't like to offend or hurt anyone's feelings - hence the post.</div><div> </div><div>So, suggestions?</div>

[mortem]

Just tell him to read the forums lol jk. One easy way would come up with a way to group with him like a PP group or something. Then do your normal routine and showoff or whatever and open your lesser's eyes to his dmg potential. he will probably come around and ask w/o you even having to say much. If that doesn't work just be so bold as to just tell him that he isn't living up to full potential on raids as far as using his best dps ally (stream). If that doesn't work just hire a goon to go to his house and play eq for him during raid hours lol.

[Halade]

<div>I would approach with honesty.  Tell him the raid leader parsed and noticed he was below you in DPS, then engage him in a conversation about what he's doing and how it is similar or dissimilar to what you're doing.  Stream may not be the only thing that is different.  He could have all app 1's, not use poison... who knows?  Chat him up, but if you do it with honesty about the reason and intention, he may feel embarassed but not disrespected. </div>

[Bayler_x]

Hmm.  I see a couple possibilities on what's going on:1. He's going AFK or just not paying much attention.2. His CAs and equipment desperately need upgrades.3. The parser isn't accurately capturing/relecting all damage.4. He's not using poison.5. He's using poor tactics - not using his abilities appropriately.I'd recommend looking at the parse and/or log file.  You can use the time stamps to find out if he's not participating enough (case 1).  You can compare damage amounts on similar CAs to yours to see if he needs to upgrade (case 2).  You'll  be able to see easily if he's not using poison (case 4).  You might be able to figure out if he's just not using his abilities right (case 5), but that's not a sure thing. If you suspect a parser problem, ask for logs from other people, and/or try using a different program.If you think it's a matter of his tactics, maybe you can start a post on your guild messageboard asking people to explain what they do on raids.  Maybe limit it to rangers, or maybe open it up to everyone - whichever is more likely to get him to post.  Just post that you think it would be good for everyone to gain an understanding of what other people's role are, or that you're looking for ways to improve your tactics or something.<div></div>

[Deml]

<div></div><p>Just be up front and tell him that you're asking on behalf of the guild leader.  Maybe he's new to raiding?  What are his combat skills at?  What gear does he have?  etc. </p><p>I appointed myself to a similar position you're in because my guild now has 3 rangers, but I'm the one that raids mostly (would love to get the others raiding more though).  I try to give the others tips when I see them getting agro, or showing too low on parse lists and things.  After about a week of me throwing ideas and comments at one of them I asked her if it was a problem.  To my surprise, she came back with telling me she wanted me to tell her more things, and more often. </p><p>Just take it as a "hey, I'm sharing my experience and this is what I've found." approach and you should be fine.  Everyone can use advice on how to improve their character and how they play.  That's why we all use these boards and the in game channel.</p>

[brandi7920]

<div></div><p>Ok so next chance I get I'm just gonna send him a tell and start chatting him up. He doesn't raid much at all - maybe 2-3 times a month, I think...while  we raid 6 days a week. I make his spells and jewelry, he has several key CAs upgrades as well as all of his jewelry, and his armor is all cobalt. So it's either, tactics, poisons or inattention.</p><p>I think I'm just gonna address the parsers and then talk to him about poisons and his tactics. Shop talk is fun talk, so I'm just gonna take the advice of you guys and go with that.</p><p>I think I'll feel a bit more comfortable starting this conversation now, lol.</p><p>Thanks guys. :smileyhappy:</p>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>Nah...y'all are so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] soft. Rub his grimy little face in his own inferiority and call him "Poodle-Butt" while you do so. Suggest he wear a dress to the next raid. Then shout "What's my name? WHAT'S MY NAME??"</p><p>Always works for me. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Bayler_x]

<span><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><p>Nah...y'all are so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] soft. Rub his grimy little face in his own inferiority and call him "Poodle-Butt" while you do so. Suggest he wear a dress to the next raid. Then shout "What's my name? WHAT'S MY NAME??"</p><p>Always works for me. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>How is that different from what I said?  <span>:smileyhappy:</span></span><div></div>

[brandi7920]

<div></div><p>Poodle-butt?? Ya big meanie! :smileytongue:</p><p> </p>

[Deml]

<div></div>Well, at least now we know how Kaeros' guild got him in shape for raids.

[brandi7920]

<div></div>[Removed for Content]!!! ....so long as his dress wasn't pink and ruffly. :smileyindifferent:

[Gareorn]

<div>or up over his head.:smileytongue:</div>

[Teksun]

I found the easiest way to get fellow Ranger's to 'do their best' is to parse, and POST it after every encounter. When they see the healer doing more damage than them, they usually come around, wake up, or put on their 'A' game.<div></div>

[xandez]

the one and only right thing to do is:STOP THE PARSES!It kills the fun in the game... who cares if someone doesnt make as much dmg as someone else with the same class?Isnt this supposed to be a game and hence, were supposed to have FUN?Maybe the other guy just didnt wanna risk getting aggro with SoA or sumthing, dunno... there are so many kind of ppl in this game. Some really make an effort to play their classes at maximum potential, some... dont.Nothing wrong with that imo, of course if the tank cant hold aggro or the healers doesnt heal is another issue. But if ranger makes 500 DPS and some other ranger makes 1000 DPS, well... its 500 DPS less, but the mob died anyway?++Xan<div></div>

[brandi7920]

<div></div><p>I don't use parsers - never have. Like I said, my friends will occasionally tell me what I'm doing, but I don't really care that much. I just do my best. My friends (i.e. guild leader and raid leader) approached me and asked me to talk to the guy and try to help him, give him a bit of advice.</p><p>The whole reason for this post, was to get advice from you guys..because I'm not one for throwing out unwanted advice or making anyone feel bad. So I was getting some feedback and how to approach, etc.</p><p>Your right Xan, it is a game. But I was asking for help on how to deal with this situation. As it made me feel uncomfortable.</p>

[EverMan]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>xandez wrote:the one and only right thing to do is:STOP THE PARSES!It kills the fun in the game... who cares if someone doesnt make as much dmg as someone else with the same class?Isnt this supposed to be a game and hence, were supposed to have FUN?Maybe the other guy just didnt wanna risk getting aggro with SoA or sumthing, dunno... there are so many kind of ppl in this game. Some really make an effort to play their classes at maximum potential, some... dont.Nothing wrong with that imo, of course if the tank cant hold aggro or the healers doesnt heal is another issue. But if ranger makes 500 DPS and some other ranger makes 1000 DPS, well... its 500 DPS less, but the mob died anyway?++Xan<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yes the game is supose to be fun, but if as u giving a example as 500 less dps (i know it just a random number) that a huge diff and really is not really helping the raid, as u'll all know if we not doing damge what are we doing on raids. That just my 2 cents<p>Message Edited by EverMania on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:20 AM</span></p>

[RedArcher]

<div>And maybe the person is like me and learned alot of how they fight on their own and don't know there are other ways? I say tell him and let him do what he wants... I know I would appreciate it if a fellow guild member / friend came along to help me out.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Deml]

<div></div><p>Maybe it's the raider in me but not helping other rangers try to maximize their dps and get the most out of their class for me is like not picking on kerrans.  It just doesn't feel right or natural. :smileytongue:</p><p>I don't parse myself anymore, but I have a general idea of what my dps is just by how hard I'm really trying on raids and what skills I'm using when.  I try to always push the envelope on dps, do as much as I can without drawing agro.  It's a fine line that makes me enjoy the game more.  I don't expect the other rangers in my guild that raid to do the same thing, but there is a level of dps that seems to be expected on raids.  Plus, on raids, you're there to have fun but also to take down the target for the guild, which means it's more than just what you want, it's what the other 23 people want that's important.  For that reason alone I think, on a raid, you really should try to maximize your dps.  Play around and do lower dps when soloing or grouping if you want.  Like I said though, I'm a big raider at heart, it's why I play the game, so my opinion is biased towards that PoV.</p>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Demlar wrote:<div></div><p>Maybe it's the raider in me but not helping other rangers try to maximize their dps and get the most out of their class for me is like <font color="#ffff33">not picking on kerrans</font>.  It just doesn't feel right or natural. :smileytongue:</p><p></p><hr></blockquote>ROFL, I love you too, buddy. Even if you have no discernible gender. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gareorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>brandi7920 wrote:<div></div><p>I don't use parsers - never have. Like I said, my friends will occasionally tell me what I'm doing, but I don't really care that much. I just do my best. My friends (i.e. guild leader and raid leader) approached me and asked me to talk to the guy and try to help him, give him a bit of advice.</p><p>The whole reason for this post, was to get advice from you guys..because I'm not one for throwing out unwanted advice or making anyone feel bad. So I was getting some feedback and how to approach, etc.</p><p>Your right Xan, it is a game. But I was asking for help on how to deal with this situation. As it made me feel uncomfortable.</p><hr></blockquote><div>I was going to keep my mouth shut because I didn't think you'd like my advice.  But, I've never used good judgment before so why start now.   My advice is to turn this back to the guild leader and have them do their job.  It's not fair for the leader to ask you to do his/her dirty work.  This is the responsibility of the leader or at least an officer.  Unwanted advice is often resented, regardless of how tactful you may be, and those who bring it need to do so from a position of authority.</div><div>Now, if you are an officer, then you are obligated.  Be as tactful and humble as you can and start out with praising the other Ranger for the things he/she does well, then ease into the tough love.  And don't let it slip that you are only doing it because the leader asked you.  You want to be genuine with your advice and you have to take ownership if you want the other person to know it.</div>

[arkkon]

<div></div><p>Valian should work on t6.  Have your raid leader parse the valian proc vs gleaming proc.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p> </p>

[xandez]

mmm yah, i have parsed myself too... actually quite a lot <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />hehe... well, it depends so much on the ppl if he/she can take the advice you are offering...If they honestly dont know whats wrong if they are seriously lagging behind and you tell them that... uh, then definitely give em teh advice.I think its usually laziness/afking/etc reasons which gives some ppl worse parses than others, oh and of course the player behind the keyboard might actually have something to do with it also <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div>

[Siphar]

<div>Disband these feeble excuses as Rangers and suggest they become .. err i don't know.. swashies.. :smileymad:</div><div> </div><div>That was fairly evil of me :S  I would ofcourse just approach them. My guild has a scout channel etc we all bounce ideas off eachother and chat to improve eachothers dps, utility etc and when to use certain spells. We help eachother which i guess is why we are doing pretty well and hammering PP:tR.</div><div> </div><div>Comminucation is the key to success.</div>

[Quillian Feetfa]

<blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><p>Nah...y'all are so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] soft. Rub his grimy little face in his own inferiority and call him "Poodle-Butt" while you do so. Suggest he wear a dress to the next raid. Then shout "What's my name? WHAT'S MY NAME??"</p><p>Always works for me. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>OMG!!!!  ROFLMAO!!!  You just made my day!  That's one of the funniest things I've read in long time!