Poor Ranger

[valer]

<div>Kinda misleading but in a sense very true.  I'm lvl 43 and have about 1.3 pp to my name.  Since I started the game I've made about 4 - 5pp selling from my inn room, but thats mainly cause I was able to get in a great duo group for lord andros in SH and get a ton of masters.  Whats a good way to make $$ at my lvl?  I was wondering if there were any places that you guys feel I could solo some named mobs and get some decent drops? Any response are much appreciated and thanks in advance.</div>

[Sirlutt]

I feel your pain, at 57, having made probablt 30+ pp though the game i NEVER have more than 1-2 pp to my name.  its all spent on cobalt, pearls, vanadium and legendary poisons, crushing arrows, resist armor and food/drink.  I am always poor.Oh and I have 9 alts to twink.. LOL<div></div>

[Bayler_x]

I've been wondering the same thing.  I don't have any advise on how to make a ton of money, but here are some thoughts for a little extra cash:1. Harvesting: T6 harvesting is generally pretty easy, and you've got a fair chance at some pricy rares.  (I'm not sure the level at which this becomes possible though; I was able to due to my tradeskill level.)2. Court of Tears missions: In Maj'Dul, the Court of Tears Grifters give you missions that send you to short solo instanced zones.  The reward is usually 3.5 gold (plus a little from the mobs), as well as 4-7 court Insignia Tokens.  Those tokens can be used to gain favor with the various courts, or they can be sold on the market.  (On Antonia Bayle, the low price seems to hover around 1gp each.)  The mobs also have a decent chance to drop scrying stones / sealed documents / relics, which probably sell well on the market too (if you don't use them for your own guild's status points).3. Everfrost's Forbidden Sepulcher.  There's a solo instance in Everfrost: the Forbidden Sepulcher.  It's honestly pretty dull, and the loot that drops isn't likely to sell on the market.  But you should walk away from it with a few items that each sell to NPCs for 2-3 gold.  You can only go in once every 12 hours though.  The access quest is <a target="_blank" href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/quests/TheBloodCountessRises.php">The Blood Countess Rises</a>.<div></div>

[Sulas]

I was grinding out a little experience while harvesting in DoF - just by the beach.  I noticed that the snake skins and caiman meat sold to my Willowwood vendor for a fair sum.  So, that's a possibilty if you have DoF.Oddly, I was mentioning to a guildie last night that I am in desperate need of cash (9 gp after getting some better armor/ CA) and she asked... "Isn't that why you tradeskill?"I sheepishly had to admit, that I kind of forget I could make money with it.  I've just been enjoying the Zen of it.I guess it's time to make something to sell.<div></div>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><p>        It sounds like you arent doing quite enough selling.  You make money off of more than just masters....they are not likely to be fast sellers.  I have made almost 20 plat selling everything BUT masters.  Sell the things people want...collection items from ?'s.   Get the rares and sell them for good gold, but dont go the route of overcharging...if anything undercharge a bit so that when you go home with lots more to sell, your vaults are open again.</p><p>        Sell things crafted that are must haves....food, boxes, bags, rare weapons, rare armor, jewellery....crafting the essential items are key to making quick bucks.  I have a carpenter and have made most of my money selling cheap boxes.</p><p>       See...one thing I try to keep in mind is that the majority of the population is lower level 20-35.  So they are not going to have the 1.5 plat to spend on a master.  Yes, eventually someone will look to twink an alt and might buy that master.  Honestly though, it is usually sporadic when they will twink their alt. </p><p>        I sell maple and teak strongboxes usually after crafting.  Yes crafitng can be a pain in the behind, yes gathering lower than your tier can be a grind...but when you have no trouble getting the components, no trouble crafting them, and can churn out 15-20 finished pieces in a few hours work....it isnt all that hard.  I will sell those 15-20 finished maple for around 2.5 gp -4.5 depending on the market -- I will always undercut my competition...but if they are already near wholesale...undercut them by a mere copper piece...people will still buy yours seeing it is cheaper.  I will always put silver and copper onto my cost.</p><p>     Make higher level crafting finishes, but not as many as the lower level items you make.  They will generally not sell as fast.  Another tip is to advertise your services to guildmates and strangers alike. </p><p>"41 carpenter LFW, good, fast and works cheaper for bulk purchases!!  Discounts available for repeat customers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />"</p><p>Something like that will usually get me a few inquiries into my work.  I also make sure that my home is set up with the furniture I create...so that I can tell a prospective customer go to my home in NQ and look at my work.  I am in the process of setting up a shop in an alt's house.  A real shop.</p><p>To wrap it up...here is my biggest suggestion to have more money than a mere plat...save save save....dont buy an apprentice II upgrade if you know you are not going to be satisfied with anything less than adept or master.  Dont buy too many poisons for your current tier.  I bought too many level 30 poisons and still have them at level 49.  I am never going to use them and now I have to try to sell them myself.  Like ten vault spaces are taken up by these old poisons.</p><p>Spend your money wisely and thriftly.</p><p>Good Luck</p><p>Saihung Talechaser</p>

[roblinb]

<div></div><p>First of all I hate and despise tradeskilling.  It is dull and boring IMHO, and you aren't guaranteed to get a good item everytime you make something.  I am an adventurer, not an artisan.</p><p>However, it looks like the KOS expansion will have penalties for players who aren't actively eating and drinking, so if you can stomach tradeskilling you might want to look into becoming a provisioner.</p><p>I really can't understand why anyone would buy expensive furniture for their room.  Most of it does little to nothing (maybe some rent reduction, if you're lucky) for your toon and nobody will hardly ever see it.  I have a 200 item room in QH, and I've only got 55 items in it, 15 of which are pets.  Most of my stuff is from HQ's or furniture a guildie made for me because he said my room looked to barren.  I placed those items inside because he was nice enough to make them, not because I really cared whether or not my room looked cool.</p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>roblinb wrote:<div></div><p>First of all I hate and despise tradeskilling.  It is dull and boring IMHO, and you aren't guaranteed to get a good item everytime you make something.  I am an adventurer, not an artisan.  <font color="#ff0000">And most adventurers are poor.  While a good number of high level Artisans are very wealthy.  When asked how to make money...most people generally want to hear an answer like go kill this for an hour everyday and **voila** you will be wealthy.  Well it is not that simple.</font></p><p>However, it looks like the KOS expansion will have penalties for players who aren't actively eating and drinking, so if you can stomach tradeskilling you might want to look into becoming a provisioner.  <font color="#ff0000">I havent heard this, but oh well...one of the things you have to do as an adventurer is eat to stay healthy, and diminish time in between fights.  A provisioner is someone that most people will buy things from...if you "can stomach" crafting, this is a good class as all of your toons and everyone else's can use food.  It makes good gifts and products for sale.  I know when I buy food I buy 10 stacks of the same time to conserve bag space.  At level 49 I am spending anywhere from 1.5 gold to 5.5 gold for just one drink....when I run out I am spending a good 20-50 gold to restock my provisions.  I do this multiple times a week.</font></p><p>I really can't understand why anyone would buy expensive furniture for their room.  Most of it does little to nothing (maybe some rent reduction, if you're lucky) for your toon and nobody will hardly ever see it.  I have a 200 item room in QH, and I've only got 55 items in it, 15 of which are pets.  Most of my stuff is from HQ's or furniture a guildie made for me because he said my room looked to barren.  I placed those items inside because he was nice enough to make them, not because I really cared whether or not my room looked cool.  <font color="#ff0000">Well then, I guess you arent one of my customers then eh?  So what.  Your room will be barely furnished and look very plain jane...you will stay in your tiny room forever likely.  Does that mean everyone does that?  Hardly...some people play this game and want to feel immersed in their character...they either roleplay or just enjoy that aspect of the game.  This doesnt mean anyone is right or wrong for it.  People are just different.  I personally have a nice 2 room apt. and will upgrade to the 5 room once my guild hits 30th level.  Why?  Because it is much nicer than the 2 room, gives me more item space and (with LU19a) will give me more vault space with which to sell.  </font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">BTW I apologize if I seemed put off....I just figure, if I am taking the time to answer...regardless of whether you like it (the answer) or not...I am simply trying to help you in the ways I know...which is crafting among other things. (And carpenters are sensitive folk as well <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />        )</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Here is one suggestion that I dont think I saw anyone say either....troll the broker for expensive items (collection items are best) that are being sold dirt cheap.  Most people when they first start will list items at a lower price than everyone else...some people just do it to make a point.  Buy the bargains and resell them at the market price.  I have one friend who does this and she has made a fortune...she regularly comes home to at least 50 gold waiting for her.</font></p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>Good Luck finding a way to make money that is satisfying and fun for you.  It can be a difficult thing to do....</p><p>Peace Health and Happiness</p>

[Beldin_]

<div></div>Good source to farm some money while also making exp are still the upper tunnels in splitpaw ..  with level 37 the mobs start to drop T5 loot there .. and there drop a lot of chests <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[D3CLI]

<div></div>I'm not a big tradeskiller myself.  Every once in a while I get crazy and decide to do some, but that happens maybe once every 2-3 months and doesn't last very long.  I would say my lifetime sales total is at least 60p+.  It's been reset due to switching computers a couple of times so I'm not sure, but my current total is something over 50.  Now, I'll probably end up kicking myself for this, but it seems like it's already becoming a popular way to make money so I don't see why not suggest it.  Try farming ?'s.  Someone else has already mentioned it, but I thought I would chime in as this is the way I made most of my money.  Out of all the cash I've made, I would say selling collectibles has made up 75-80% of it.  I'm not saying it's going to make you rich, but it can definitely make you some decent cash.<div></div>

[valer]

<div></div>Thanks for all of the replies, and I'm gonna give Splitpaw a shot see if it works out.  On a side note I went to RE with a lvl 52 pally guildie.  We got some really nice drops from the Ragalok or whatever his name is instance...The Beguiler, The Master Gobby Guy, Occulus Defender, and Cerebus.  And for other names like Drina the Master Cook i think it is he was able to mentor down and we tooled on him.  I got my Drina Knife thingy YAY.  So I guess what I'm trying to say is for all of you other poor rangers duoing in RE really payed off and you guys should try it.

[Jay]

<div></div><p>I don't tradeskill at all, anymore. I'm a 59 ranger / 36 (?) provisioner - I can't handle the tedium of it. So I make my coin in other ways, like turning tricks in the back alleys of Freeport. You'd be amazed at what those dark elf matrons will pay for... ah.. well, let's just say that they like it a little rough, and kerra come naturally equipped with sharp teeth and claws. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But my night life is neither here nor there... personally at your level I'd be harvesting to sell raws, rares, and collectibles. Spend a lot of time in EL and Zek, some roots, fungi, and rocks may sell pretty well on your server. Tier 5 is good for selling raws too, but you'll have a harder time doing a lot of harvesting there - stick to Rivervale and Feerrott for now. Tier 6 raws are junk, everyone's harvesting there and most everything but food raws sell for mere copper, but you can still make some decent silver harvesting in tiers 4 and 5. Ashen roots were selling for 10-20sp apiece on my server a few weeks ago.</p><p>Okay, and here's my only moneymaking secret, one of the little cottage industries I develop from time to time to earn a little cash: spend time in EL up by the dryads and evil eyes and harvest animal dens specifically. Glimmering Teeth are needed for the Manastone HQ, and in my day I could sell them for 20-40gp EACH. I made over 3pp on glimmering teeth alone in a week or two, just b/c I was working on Manastone myself and realized I had a skillset that made it easier for me to harvest in those areas than any other member of my group. I ended up finding four of the six teeth we needed, then just kept harvesting there for several weeks and selling the teeth on the broker. Now, unfortunately the population bulge isn't in tier 4 any longer, so there isn't as much demand (prob 10-20g for those teeth now), and evil eyes will now see invis. They didn't back in the day, so I could move around up there with no problem.</p><p>Anyway, good luck on the quest for coin. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><p>I don't tradeskill at all, anymore. I'm a 59 ranger / 36 (?) provisioner - I can't handle the tedium of it. So I make my coin in other ways, like turning tricks in the back alleys of Freeport. You'd be amazed at what those dark elf matrons will pay for... ah.. well, let's just say that they like it a little rough, and kerra come naturally equipped with sharp teeth and claws. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote><p>That leave no thread unsullied is really working for ya <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Collecting anything is a good bet as it makes a good way to make some decent exp for someone trying to level fast. Provisioner must have a mule to harvest or get then make stuff, My bet is on harvest and sell raws (testing this theory today) Tradeskills are not for everyone but maybe you can talk to a tradeskiller and they will buy direct from you for materials? Then again I have never had more than 13g (talk about broke).</p><p>Good luck on any route you chose.</p>

[Grign]

<div></div><div>I am also a big disliker of tradeskilling and harvesting, have done my fair share of it, but couldn't stomach trying to make a business out of it.  At your level, I would be farming Runnyeye and Varsoons for master spells and master items.  Sure the bottom has fallen out of the market somewhat for tier 4 master spells, but even then, each master sells for slightly more than the rare component of that tier for the adept III spells, so they still have value, and most of the fabled items you can get in there sell for 1 to 2 plat.  Back in the days before RE and Varsoons got crazy, I made 30 to 40 plat from farming those zones and they are still semi-lucrative.  Once you get to level 52, start farming the crap out of CT, they seem to have lowered the master drop rate somewhat,  but its still a great zone to farm in for gear, there are tons of named you can solo effectively (with root trap and stun poison) that drop great items you can actually use and/or sell.  Back in my lower 50's I would get 1 to 2 plat in vendor trash during a farming session (3 hour run) and 5 to 10 plat of items to sell.  I made over 130 pp in that zone in just a few weeks, although it seems to have slowed down a bit, the opportunity still hasn't totally dried up.  Now, at 59, I am soloing roost and cache, and although the master chest drop rates suck now, I still get 4 or 5 a week and that and the vendor trash adds up.  I am currently sitting on a pile of plat and have every single spell in my book at adept III or higher and working to get all of my gear fabled from raids and/or vendor purchases.  I now spend most of my time helping guildies and friends get geared up and do quests since cash flow isn't an issue anymore. </div><div> </div><div>I can't imagine any other class being able to do this as well or as fast as the ranger if the ranger is worth his/her salt and knows how to play the class.  I have a friend that is constantly telling me that he loves grouping with me because I do the work of 5.  My main used to be a defiler (got em to level 50) but when they changed that class and took away most of its offensive capabilities, I started to level up my low level ranger I had rolled (was like level 24 at the time).  Since then, I have never looked back, as this class is by far the one of the most insanely fun classes to play.  My only fear is the influx of newb rangers that are all starting up everywhere (rampant on my server atm) since after grouping with us, dueling us, and seeing what we can do, most people's first response is to run out and make one and then spam the seasoned rangers about how to play the class.  A few months down the road when there are thousands of rangers out there, it's gonna be ugly, but until then, enjoy the gameplay, since we are built like no other class atm and it's our time to shine.</div><div> </div><div>My last piece of advice is on cash flow and karma.  Playing a ranger is a spendy endeavor.  We are a high maintenance class, and require good poison and good gear to really shine (there is also skill yes, but let's just assume for now that you already have that part down, the poison and gear enhance that aspect).  My number one rule to making money from the very beginning has always been to reinvest heavily in myself.  The better equipped you are, the more efficient and better you will be at taking down mobs, etc...  What you invest in yourself will always pay back large dividends in the long run.  In the short term, cash flow may be low for a while, but long term, you will enjoy great wealth.  Being cheap and not upgrading your gear and spells will only slow you down and is a mindset that births poverty.  Be smart about your investments and don't just throw money away, but realize that you need to spend money to make money.  Buy good poisons (stun poisons and legendary poisons of the appropriate tier - high DD low dot), potions, gear, etc as this will speed up the rate at which you kill monsters and in the long run will speed up the rate at which you make money.  Be smart about how you price your items when you sell, don't give them away, but also don't price them so high they don't sell.  It is better to make a smaller profit and get that money working for you in gear and spell purchases now than to sit on somethign for a month and finally sell it.  Velocity of cash flow is even more important at times than volume of cash flow. </div><div> </div><div>As for karma, if you are going to be farming zones, learn to be courteous to others, since you will most likely be seeing those same people in there competing for mobs while you are in there night after night.  There will be the occasional jerk or bot army that will force your hand a time or two, but for the most part, people will respect you if you give them the same treatment.  If a person or grp is standing in the room of a named spawn and it's up, just move to the next spawn and get that one.  Also learn what hours are the fullest and most emptly for these farm zones and try and play in off peak hours in there if your schedule permits.  Also, remember you are a ranger and born to solo, you can take down mobs solo faster than most groups can and you have invis and increased speed buffs, use that to your advantage and move and strike, move and strike, your mobility, speed, and dps are your greatest assets in outperforming anyone else in the zone.  Once i get a mob cycle locked down, they are mine for as long as I want and usually after 3 or 4 rounds of not getting a single spawn, most other farmers leave and wait til you aren't there.</div><div> </div><div>Well that was a short novel I just wrote, sorry about the length, just some musings of a guy that loves his class with a passion and loves the EQ2 lifestyle it has afforded him.  Personally, I hate farming, but I viewed it as a necessary short term sacrifice to allow me to enjoy the game now as I like, with friends having fun and not worrying about what I can and can't afford.  I hope all of you are having as much fun as I am and if you aren't, well, I hope you find your happy place soon!  Later...</div><div> </div><div>Helspawn, Ranger 59, Ogguk</div><p>Message Edited by Grignak on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:52 PM</span></p>

[Prandtl]

<div></div>Excellent post Grignak