Rangers and Intelligence

[Marty78]

<div>Hello rangers,</div><div> </div><div>Ok, I got an (two) interesting question(s) I wonder if someone could answer me. Here goes:</div><div> </div><div>The other day I was reading through the forums which I usually do when I don't have any more important things to do at work. :smileytongue: And I found this post which seemed to have been written of a member from one of the top raiding guilds. The post in itself was not that interesting - not much more than a rant. However, in that post he stated that one of the rangers most important stats is INT. Yes, that is right, Intelligence.</div><div> </div><div>Ok, before I go on I might wanna tell you that I don't play a ranger at all, so all this might seem a little bit noobish to you guys, but I had no idea intelligence was that important for a ranger. So my first thought was of course that this was just a big mistake. I started to search through the forums to try and get some sense into this. I did find quite a few posts where people actually did say intelligence was good for a ranger.</div><div> </div><div>Then I started to search for all level 60 rangers on all servers to check their stats. Unfortunately less than 5% of these rangers (players) had paid the extra 0.99$ for one to see their stats, but in all cases but one these rangers intelligence was next to nothing. The one ranger that had intelligence worth mentioning had 163 INT. His intelligence was his third highest stat. When checking his guild and the guild roster I noticed that the guy who wrote that post which started all this was a member in his guild.</div><div> </div><div>Now, my questions to you guys: is intelligence important for a ranger and, in that case, what spells, CAs, are based on INT? If neither of this true then why the heck does a ranger in, what seemed to be, one of the top raiding guilds have 163 INT?</div><div> </div><div>Thanks in advance.</div>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><p>Heh...you know, I want to say that it is just silly to think that rangers need intel for anything.  We dont have spells...agility affects mana pool and strength affects damage output...what the heck would intel do for us except for spells?  However, I have never seen anything definitively written saying intel was useless for us.</p><p>Personally, I have seen that argument a couple of times and dismiss it everytime...could be a high level alt of someone else's main toon in that raid guild.</p><p>Peace Health and Happiness</p><p>Saihung</p>

[GastonPhoebus]

<div></div>I have been reading up on this as well and it seems that there is an argument that increased Int augments poison damage output. I have not tested this myself yet <43 Ranger>, but what I will do when I get to the testing point is buy an Int potion and check poison damage before and after potion use.

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GastonPhoebus wrote:<div></div>I have been reading up on this as well and it seems that there is an argument that increased Int augments poison damage output. I have not tested this myself yet <43 Ranger>, but what I will do when I get to the testing point is buy an Int potion and check poison damage before and after potion use.<hr></blockquote><p>Good Point and good idea <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I am curious about this, but likely will still go str. and agi., old habits and all <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Saihung</p><p> </p>

[Deila]

<div></div><p>It's also been said (though I haven't tested it either) that INT affects proc damage from imbued weapons, though I wouldn't personally consider that enough to say that INT was a vital stat for Rangers. If INT does indeed add to poison damage, I would think that would be a nice addition overall, but I wouldn't think it would make a greater difference than having higher STR for our regular damage output.</p><p>It'd be interesting to compare the differences between overall performance, should INT affect poison damage, between favoring higher STR or INT, though I <em>suspect </em>that STR would still be of greater general use.</p>

[Lexan]

<div>Im pretty sure the ranger was me!  I can self buff my int up to 300+ and imo its the second most important stat a ranger can have!  To go with this you must be a ranger that has and does use a load of procs which in my case is true!  For me i cap str then turn to int.  Looking at my profile will just dumbfound you most of the time.  I even still use a t2 weapon with a 12% proc so profileing me will just confuse most.  In 90% of my raid groups im at 440str and 400ish int.  The diffrence between 100-200int and 400 int is a load imo.  However if your not capping str dont waste time with your int!</div><div> </div><div>So imho Str first, Int second!!!!!  Agi=who cares, Wis=who cares, Sta=who cares  This is only the direction i go when in a raid party.  Which 99.9% of my playtime is spent raiding.  The weapons i use are vicious sai, prismatic, valen bow for my main three.  Going from 100int you'll boost each one of these procs about 100dmg.  When you proc ancient poison from your bow and sai for 16-20% of your total dmg i see a huge return for the int efforts.  Not to mention my adeste's usually hits for 700+!!!</div>

[MoonglumHMV]

<div>Well just because I could, I tested this myself (only lvl 23 ranger, but still the premise is the same):</div><div> </div><div>At int 26 (yeah, I'm a dumb one <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ):</div><div>Imbued fir long bow - proc damage 76-140</div><div>Insufferable anguish - poison damage 133 22 tick</div><div> </div><div>At int 14 (even dumber):</div><div>Imbued fir long bow - proc damage 74-138</div><div>Insufferable anbuish - poison damge 130 21 tick</div><div> </div><div>So at level 23, going up 12 int is approx a 1.9% average bow proc damage increase and approx 3.4% poison damage increase (assuming one full poison cycle of DD & 4 ticks)</div><div> </div><div>At 71 str:</div><div>Imbued fir long bow - damage 62-310</div><div>Back Shot - 160-267</div><div> </div><div>At 59 str (same 12 pt decrease):</div><div>Imbued fir long bow - damage 60-300</div><div>Back Shot - 155-259</div><div> </div><div>So at level 23, going up 12 str is approx a 3.3% increase in average auto attack damage and approx 3.3% CA damage increase.</div><div> </div><div>I could definately see where int could be considered a fairly important stat for the Ranger...but I would definately would want a higher level Ranger to test as well to see if things are consistant at higher levels.</div>

[Lexan]

<div></div><div>Not to mention im a erudite ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Well the profile thing caught me in backup gear last night so nothing fun in my profile yet again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Says im at 108int i dont think my int is ever that low lol.</div><p>Message Edited by Lexani- on <span class="date_text">01-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:28 AM</span></p>

[NovacaineExpre]

<div></div>I have some of this info posted on a different thread but seems more applicable here.  I can get my str at 356 self-buffed (ring, food, no potions) but my INT is around 30.  And while soloing the nameds in roost, I usually parse out around 1200 DPS with the setup of stun poison, ravaging disruption poison, and strike of glox.  I did a closer look at my DPS and thanks to ACT I found that poison was making up of 20% of my total DPS, roughly 240 DPS with only the treasured Ravaging Disruption.  I have 3 different weap procs that made up of around 10 - 12% of my DPS.  So I assume that right now my procs that can be increased by raising my INT are my weap procs and poison damage.  I think I'm gonna get some new equipment to raise my INT and lower my STR to see what difference this would make.  Thanks everyone for their info/feedback on this matter!  I am very intrigued to see what comes of it.

[Marty78]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lexani- wrote:<div>Im pretty sure the ranger was me!<hr></div></blockquote><p>That is actually true. :smileyhappy:</p><p>Thanks for all the answers and I hope this thread doesn't die yet. Would love to see some more comments and arguments.</p>

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>Aye. INT is a very good, and usually a secondary stat. STR is always good, no one needs AGI anymore (at least not in raids) and same goes for STA and WIS. In raids alot of the time my STR will be buffed away above cap, so at that point in time I start switching out STR gear and putting on INT gear, so at times i'll have STR at 420 and INT aboe 300 which is very noticable while looking at your procs going off.</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>

[Jay]

<div></div>Personally (and I know I'm in the minority here), I hope this gets fixed. It just doesn't make sense that being smarter causes poisons or weapon procs to do more damage. Wizards or warlocks, sure, but rangers? Gimme a break.

[Marcuzs]

<div>Too bad most of the high STR/INT items out there are bard only.</div>

[brandi7920]

<div></div><div></div><p>I've heard that higher INT makes your poisons/procs hit harder (err..higher numbers).</p><p>I had a Predator Only hat drop in Gates last night and interestingly, it's stats were all AGI and INT. It would be better if it were STR and INT, but I'll definitely keep it for back up gear. :smileyhappy:</p><p>My INT is pretty crappy, but in raids it does hit between 150 - 200. (lol, not exactly capped - hehe - but quite a bit better than normal, lol)</p><p>Message Edited by brandi7920 on <span class="date_text">01-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:43 PM</span></p>

[Lexan]

<div>Seriously there is a head item extreamly easy to get and it has +8str and +20int!!! </div>

[juvondy]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>in case anyone else was curious about the hat I found a link to it.</p><p>Pristine tailored producer's hat</p><p>here is a link for those who may not have a station account that allows them to look up equipment from EQ site</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/PristineTailoredProducersHat.php">http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/PristineTailoredProducersHat.php</a></p><p><u><font color="#800080"></font></u> </p><p>Message Edited by juvondy on <span class="date_text">01-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:04 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by juvondy on <span class="date_text">01-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:04 PM</span></p>

[HarmonyIs]

How do you calculate your cap for STR (or anything else)?<div></div>

[xandez]

<div></div>cap = [insert your lvl here] x 7(iirc)<font color="#ffcc00">*EDIT*</font><font color="#ffcc00"></font><font color="#ffcc00">however, agility does seem to have this mysterious soft cap even today... atleast ive noticed my avoidance raising very slowly after i've hit the 200 agi mark...</font><font color="#ffcc00"></font><font color="#ffcc00">dunno if im wrong thou...</font>++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class="date_text">01-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:48 AM</span></p>

[Crychtonn]

<div>Stat's are capped at seven times your level.</div><div> </div><div>L60 x 7 = 420 cap</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[dubbs]

<div></div>Cap is (7xlvl)+20   So at lvl 60 the cap is 440

[Jay]

<div>I just don't think AGI has much impact on avoidance anymore. I dunno if it's the mysterious soft cap at 200 or what, but I can raise my AGI by over 100 points and the avoidance doesn't change much at all. Pretty f'in sad that our prime stat is so useless, but we're more or less forced to raise STR and now INT to keep our damage up.</div>

[xandez]

I bet its the soft cap, since increasing AGI on my zerker who has just a tad over 100 AGI (lvl 50 dwarf... kinda lame, huh? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) affects to the avoidance quite remarkably... And with my ranger who has it over 200, i find no big difference even if i get my AGI buffed near 400... go figure .... *eh*++Xan<div></div>

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>Bah, AGI suxxorz, especially for raids. STR and INT FTW> if your grouping you wont need much AGI. soloing maybe,...but use stun poisons....best avoidance out there :0)</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>