Wanting advice from some more experienced Rangers

[roblinb]

<DIV>Hi all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not a hard core EQ2 player, but I just wanted to touch base with a few more experienced Rangers out there with some questions I had.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) What poisons do you all use?  At 55 I use that Rijarki's (I think that's what it's called) stuff as my damage poison.  I heard that we can use 3 (poisons) at the same time, but only one can be damaging.  I have used two before, but not three.  What is this best combination, and can you in fact use three at the same time?</DIV> <DIV>2) Arrows.  I heard that T6 Legendary arrows only affect auto fire damage.  I can't figure out, since a higher tier of arrow doesn't make that much of a difference, why anyone would want to spend any amount of money on T6 arrows from brokers.</DIV> <DIV>3) Adept III vs. Master I.  I see higher level Master I spells for crazy prices, (12-15 plat sometimes) when I can get an Adept III made by a jeweler for the price of a ruby (normally less than 1 plat) for a lot less.  Do you all pay the big prices for the Master I's or just go with the Adept III's?</DIV> <DIV>4) DPS.  I heard that a fighter class will outdamage us in melee combat (find that hard to believe, because we attack twice as fast when dual-wielding... plus the poison damage) whereas we are much more deadly with our CA's.  Is there any proof of the part about melee attacks?</DIV> <DIV>5) Class-specific armor.  Is there such a thing for rangers yet?  I have yet to see anything.</DIV> <DIV>6) STR vs. AGI.  At 55 I have 165 STR and 188 AGI (not buffed).  Should I worry about increasing my STR, or is it good as is.  I know STR has to do with the amount of damage all of your attacks do.  I just hit for over 2800 the other day with my Stealthy Fire CA.  </DIV> <DIV>7) Damage.  What level do most Rangers start hitting in the 5k range?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for your help.</DIV><p>Message Edited by roblinb on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:41 AM</span>

[Teksun]

<span><blockquote><hr>roblinb wrote:<div></div> <div>Hi all,</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>I am not a hard core EQ2 player, but I just wanted to touch base with a few more experienced Rangers out there with some questions I had.</div> <div> </div> <div>1) What poisons do you all use?  At 55 I use that Rijarki's (I think that's what it's called) stuff as my damage poison.  I heard that we can use 3 (poisons) at the same time, but only one can be damaging.  I have used two before, but not three.  What is this best combination, and can you in fact use three at the same time? <font color="#66ff00">Honestly, I use whatever is cheapest. I prefer high damage low DOT, thouhg many prefer the higher DOT. I ONLY stack poisons during raids (to expensive for everyday use (yes I'm cheap, I never have money). I BELIEVE you can stack damage/debuff and STUN but I'm sure I'll be corrected</font> </div> <div>2) Arrows.  I heard that T6 Legendary arrows only affect auto fire damage.  I can't figure out, since a higher tier of arrow doesn't make that much of a difference, why anyone would want to spend any amount of money on T6 arrows from brokers. <font color="#66ff00">If a MOB is immune to pirce you will need to buy arrows, other than that just use the summoned ones. Remember other classes can use a bow as well (Fighters) so will need to buy their own.</font> </div> <div>3) Adept III vs. Master I.  I see higher level Master I spells for crazy prices, (12-15 plat sometimes) when I can get an Adept III made by a jeweler for the price of a ruby (normally less than 1 plat) for a lot less.  Do you all pay the big prices for the Master I's or just go with the Adept III's? <font color="#66ff00">I currently have 1 Master1 CA, Evade. I got it for 4pp and would do it again. Stick with the AD3's unless you see a bargain, the cost to benefit ration just isn't worth it (6 AD3 are better than one M1)</font> </div> <div>4) DPS.  I heard that a fighter class will outdamage us in melee combat (find that hard to believe, because we attack twice as fast when dual-wielding... plus the poison damage) whereas we are much more deadly with our CA's.  Is there any proof of the part about melee attacks? <font color="#66ff00">That one's new to me. I could see fighter CA's outdamaging our straight melee, other than that, I doubt it.</font> </div> <div>5) Class-specific armor.  Is there such a thing for rangers yet?  I have yet to see anything. <font color="#66ff00">Nada/zip/zilch/zero</font> </div> <div>6) STR vs. AGI.  At 55 I have 165 STR and 188 AGI (not buffed).  Should I worry about increasing my STR, or is it good as is.  I know STR has to do with the amount of damage all of your attacks do.  I just hit for over 2800 the other day with my Stealthy Fire CA. <font color="#66ff00">Your stats are fine, I prefer a higher STR than AGI but if you solo or run out of power easily you do need the higher AGI. Damage for most Rangers is not a problem, losing hate is.</font> </div> <div>7) Damage.  What level do most Rangers start hitting in the 5k range? <font color="#66ff00">Snipe. Great CA on a 15 minute timer. I have hit for upto 5400</font> </div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks for your help.</div><p>Message Edited by roblinb on <span class="date_text">01-05-2006</span> <span class="time_text">02:41 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[Spectralmist]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roblinb wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hi all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not a hard core EQ2 player, but I just wanted to touch base with a few more experienced Rangers out there with some questions I had.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) What poisons do you all use?  At 55 I use that Rijarki's (I think that's what it's called) stuff as my damage poison.  I heard that we can use 3 (poisons) at the same time, but only one can be damaging.  I have used two before, but not three.  What is this best combination, and can you in fact use three at the same time?</DIV> <DIV>2) Arrows.  I heard that T6 Legendary arrows only affect auto fire damage.  I can't figure out, since a higher tier of arrow doesn't make that much of a difference, why anyone would want to spend any amount of money on T6 arrows from brokers.</DIV> <DIV>3) Adept III vs. Master I.  I see higher level Master I spells for crazy prices, (12-15 plat sometimes) when I can get an Adept III made by a jeweler for the price of a ruby (normally less than 1 plat) for a lot less.  Do you all pay the big prices for the Master I's or just go with the Adept III's?</DIV> <DIV>4) DPS.  I heard that a fighter class will outdamage us in melee combat (find that hard to believe, because we attack twice as fast when dual-wielding... plus the poison damage) whereas we are much more deadly with our CA's.  Is there any proof of the part about melee attacks?</DIV> <DIV>5) Class-specific armor.  Is there such a thing for rangers yet?  I have yet to see anything.</DIV> <DIV>6) STR vs. AGI.  At 55 I have 165 STR and 188 AGI (not buffed).  Should I worry about increasing my STR, or is it good as is.  I know STR has to do with the amount of damage all of your attacks do.  I just hit for over 2800 the other day with my Stealthy Fire CA.  </DIV> <DIV>7) Damage.  What level do most Rangers start hitting in the 5k range?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for your help.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by roblinb on <SPAN class=date_text>01-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:41 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, I'm only a 22 Ranger, but I can answer some of that...</P> <P>1 - For poisons, you can use a Damage (either DD or DoT), a Debuff, and a stun poison.  From what I've seen at my level, good poisons are handcrafted, and stuns are rare (require a rare component).  Might be wrong on this.  I use a High DD poison, and a Debuff (currently one lowering a targets resistance against Magic and Slashing (If I'm remembering right)).  I'm not using a stun yet - using a rare that way is a bit beyond me.</P> <P>2 - Makeshift Arrows and it's follow-ons will give you arrows for free - just keep hitting them and I suggest you get them upgraded to at least App 4.  You get one for each tier (though I'm not sure about T6).  From what I've heard though - you're right.  They only effect auto-fire.  CA's can use tin arrows and still do great damage.  Note - there are rumors that this might have changed recently.</P> <P>3 - I'd say, if you're lucky enough to be in a group / raid that turns up a Master 1, great.  I wouldn't spend the money on them though.  That said, I'm a jeweler myself...</P> <P>4 - Certain fighters do good DPS (monks / bruisers).  The weapons used might also be a factor - I use the pristine imbued weapons for my tier - dual wields.  I do the same for my bow, by the way.  Other than that I'm not really qualified to comment.  </P> <P>5 - If by class specific you mean - "can only rangers wear chain or leather or whatever", then no.  If you mean - "do they have a certain suit of armor that only they can wear?" Then yes.  I'm just finished my Armor Quest 3 (of 6) for T3.  Once I finish all six quests, I'll have a full suit of ranger specific armor.</P> <P>6 - I started out pushing Agi because that's what our power pool is based on.  I've come to realize that Agi will increase nicely as you progress without help, while Str might need a little nudge now and then.  I have a Pristine imbued coral ring of STR and several other pieces that help my strength (and most help Agi as well).  <BR></P> <P>7 - not qualified to answer that one.</P>

[Saihung23]

Hiya Whisper <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />     I think I agree with the two replies that you have to your questions so far...so I will just give you a big welcome to the game and welcome to the ranger forums.  Please ask anything you may have questions on.      Most importantyly enjoy the game and have fun. Peace Health and Happiness Saihung Talechaser <div></div>

[Deml]

<P>At 60 I use Adeste as my damage poison exclusively.  It's a legendary poison though so it's more expensive.  When soloing or grouping I always have Shissar running for poison debuff as well.  For raids I will cycle in Glox and Djinn as needed for shissar.  Soloing I'll also use Visions (the stun poison) and on raids it's Atrophy for the slow.</P> <P>I only use makeshift arrows for piercing damage and iron hunting arrows for slashing damage on the mobs that are immune to pierce.</P> <P>I got all of my skills to adept 3 and replace them with masters as I, or my guild, find them.  I've yet to buy a t6 master spell.</P> <P>Using your bow you can out dps all Fighter classes.  It's the Mage class that will do more damage than you sometimes, but that's to be expected. </P> <P>I have something like 298 str, 309 agi without using any rings, potions, etc for buffs.  Your self buffs and gear will add enough agi for you, so focus on getting as much str on you as possible.  That, imo, is the best way for Rangers to help increase their damage.  After you can get to 440 str buffed, or raid buffed, start grabbing some Int gear so your procs and poisons do more damage.</P> <P>The only CA we have that will do over 5k damage is Sniper shot at lvl 58 (15 minute recast).  You won't do 5k in a single shot very often, but you can add up lots of damage from your offensive stance, poisons, procs and normal bow skills.</P>

[roblinb]

<DIV>So far this advice is awesome.  Keep it coming!</DIV>

[roblinb]

Saihung if you're a ranger why does it say guardian under your name :smileytongue:

[Sirlutt]

you can have one damage, one debuff and one stun/stifle/slow poison .. i just use a damage when solo or even grouping .. the others for named fights and raids... i to ouse adestes .. as it hits for 440 DD, and in groups i often hit for over 500 per proc with it... i proc alot.i go STR over AGI because we can buff AGI and non STR .. my self buff'd stats are avout 250 a piece... natural with no buffs my STR is higher (and i am an Ogre to boot).<div></div>

[Siphar]

<DIV> <DIV>1) What poisons do you all use?  T6 rare translucent adestes disruption - around 460 dd + 70dot.. High dd low dot is most rangers preference because the mobs generally die so fast and u proc so much.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Arrows. Summon via endless quiver unless mob is immune to pierce, then i opt for (slashing) hunting arrows etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Adept III vs. Master I? About half my spells master most other are adp3. I never buy masters unless you are rich or its a very useful master.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) DPS? Melee compared to highest tier fighters like bruisers and monks, yes i would say their dps exceeds ours but if ranger is behind the mob- i would say they were probably equal, due to less resist and our back stabs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) Class-specific armor? Seen for other classes but not ranger. Plenty of scout stuff out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6) STR vs. AGI? Str str str, im here to damage. We don't use a lot of power 55+ after stream of arrows. Also if you use PGt which procs 114 power (+ward and str) you should rarely run out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>7) Damage.  To 5k? worry more about DPS, we are currently the highest DPS class damage per second) averaging at 60 with mostly fabled gear and masters/adp3 at 300-2000 dps, depending on mob strength.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-60 Ranger- 56 Pally</DIV></DIV>

[Te]

<DIV>I concur with teksun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allthough there are some freakish occations a zerker can outdps you. Only special occations and speciall situation though so not much to worry about;P</DIV>

[btennison]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roblinb wrote:<BR>Saihung if you're a ranger why does it say guardian under your name :smileytongue: <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>For the same reason it says "journeyman" under yours :smileywink:

[drake]

Sorry if this is a total noob question, but Siphar, what is PGt?<div></div>

[killema]

Polished Granite Tomahawk = PGT.  It is a reward from the Axe from the past Heritage quest started in Thundering Steeps with Odin, a giant down by Coldwind Cove.  Got it - love it.<div></div>

[Sulas]

PGT is Polished Granite Tomahawk and is the reward for 'Axe From the Past' Heritage quest.<div></div>

[drake]

Thanks, for the info!Does anyone know what the level requirement for use is?  I am only 24 at the moment.  Can I use it?  If not, do you have any suggestions for recommended bows/melee weapons at my level?  TIA.<div></div>

[Sulas]

I'm pretty sure it equips at 32.  So, you have time.  But you will get a good bit of exp in the course of doing all the needed steps; def start by 30.<div></div>

[Lexan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>roblinb wrote:<div></div><div>Hi all,</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I am not a hard core EQ2 player, but I just wanted to touch base with a few more experienced Rangers out there with some questions I had.</div><div> </div><div>1) What poisons do you all use?  At 55 I use that Rijarki's (I think that's what it's called) stuff as my damage poison.  I heard that we can use 3 (poisons) at the same time, but only one can be damaging.  I have used two before, but not three.  What is this best combination, and can you in fact use three at the same time?</div><div><font color="#00cc00">You can equip 4 diffrent types of potion/poisons.  You can use a buffing potion, damage poison, a debuffer, and a status effecting poison.  I currently use adeste's legendary poison there is nothing else even close for the dmg output.  The debuffer i switch allot i tend to stick with the heat/cold debuff as im paired with a conjurer most of the time and just seems to help us both.  The status effecting is something i have changed up since LU#13.  I use to always use stun poison but now i have switch to horendous atrophy (25% dps slow).  For a complete list of potions and poisons visit eq2alchemy.com!</font></div><div>2) Arrows.  I heard that T6 Legendary arrows only affect auto fire damage.  I can't figure out, since a higher tier of arrow doesn't make that much of a difference, why anyone would want to spend any amount of money on T6 arrows from brokers.</div><div><font color="#00cc00">I use iron only becuase they are right beside the mendor.  Buying high level arrows is a waste of money imo you only get a benefit from auto attacks.  I do use them if its a very very very tough raid mob but i dont think they help much.</font></div><div>3) Adept III vs. Master I.  I see higher level Master I spells for crazy prices, (12-15 plat sometimes) when I can get an Adept III made by a jeweler for the price of a ruby (normally less than 1 plat) for a lot less.  Do you all pay the big prices for the Master I's or just go with the Adept III's?</div><div><font color="#00cc00">I get all the master's i can!</font></div><div>4) DPS.  I heard that a fighter class will outdamage us in melee combat (find that hard to believe, because we attack twice as fast when dual-wielding... plus the poison damage) whereas we are much more deadly with our CA's.  Is there any proof of the part about melee attacks?</div><div><font color="#00cc00">Your a ranger why would you care about melee?</font></div><div>5) Class-specific armor.  Is there such a thing for rangers yet?  I have yet to see anything.</div><div><font color="#00cc00">There is some preditor only things that ive seen.  Gloves and a ring to name a couple but thats all ive seen.</font></div><div>6) STR vs. AGI.  At 55 I have 165 STR and 188 AGI (not buffed).  Should I worry about increasing my STR, or is it good as is.  I know STR has to do with the amount of damage all of your attacks do.  I just hit for over 2800 the other day with my Stealthy Fire CA. </div><div><font color="#00cc00">Go 100% str id trade 100agi for 20str you want to cap your str at any cost!!!</font></div><div>7) Damage.  What level do most Rangers start hitting in the 5k range?</div><div><font color="#00cc00">Once you get stealthy fire master 2 i guess.  Heck i auto attack for 5k+ with all the procs and poisons added together its not really about how big the number is its more about how many numbers you see comeing off the mob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>