Bow without poison? Tell me it aint so.

[Lesand]

<DIV>Just looking at the notes for the upcoming Live update 18 and this is what it says about poisons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Poisons (as well as other applied effects that have a chance to proc on a successful attack) now only trigger upon successful attacks made with the weapon in the primary hand. Note: Weapons with an inherent damage proc (like all crafted imbued weapons) are unaffected and will continue to proc regardless of which hand they are equipped in.<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I take from this that our poisons wont proc from using our bows. let me know if this is what you guys get from this.  If anything we should have an option on which weapon we want to apply poison to.  I'm sure I'll adjust either way.  Please let me know what you guys think.  Thanks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lesandis Dream</DIV> <DIV>Eternal Hope</DIV>

[King Leor]

<P>*SIGHS* Yes....... poisons will still proc on bows, it's been mention in several differnet threads not only in ranger forums, but assassin, and test forums. So please please please, no one else ask after this as it is now pasted ALL over the place that yes in fact poisons will still proc while using bows as it's been tested on the test server.</P> <P>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</P>

[Lesand]

<P>THank Mr. Smart Ranger. I read the forums often and never came accross it.  Thanks for the quick reply  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Lesandis Dream</P>

[King Leor]

<P>Sorry if I came off as a little rude there, just been telling people over and over. Not on ly on this but world ranger channel also. </P> <P>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</P>

[maser88]

So basically what this says then is that when using duel wield the secondary weapon won't proc? <div></div>

[xandez]

Secondary weapons wont proc POISONS... they will still continue to proc eg. imbued or prismatic proc (and i assume also PGT will proc). But this is just on TEST. Hopefully this wont go through since this would just mean nerf to our assassins. And i think they would rather deserve an upgrade, not a swing from the nerfbat. <span>:smileysad:</span> ++Xan <div></div>

[Jay]

<DIV>This would essentially bring poison application / procs in line with Gleaming Strike, wouldn't it? GS only procs off one weapon, even if you have two imbued DWs, so it sounds to me like they're making poison proc the same way. I'm not too worried about it for our class, but I oppose this change purely b/c of the impact it would have on assassins. That said, I'm expecting it to go through as it is on Test, I just hope they make some change to assassins to counteract the effect on their damage output. </DIV>

[Cron]

Thic could actually be a boon for those of us that use a high DoT.  As much as I proc, there is no way that the DoT is being used to it's full potential before I'm overwriting it with the next proc.  Is my understanding of that correct?  Each proc overwrites the last?  Might make poisons last a bit longer without no real hurt to damage because the proc gets to last longer.Those of us that use high DD don't really care about DoTs being overwritten because the next time we proc we are hitting high DD again, so this change hurts us DD poison users.<div></div>

[Gailstryd]

Aye the thing thats worries me is that this will be a.....noticeable hit to most scouts dps, but with our bows and how much we use them only a minor hit to our dps.  This would just add another thing to the list of "hey let's nerf those bastage rangers" items other classes love to bring up about us.  I don't like getting so far in the lead it singles us out to much and now with it putting the other scouts behind us solidly it may lead to some nasty ramifications which in the classic SOE style have the high potential to be overkill and crippling.  As is, I hope they either kill this idea or in some way make our bow/poison procing take a reduction equavilent to the ones melee scouts will take.  If implemented right, this would be the necessary cut back that will hopefully appease the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] wizards and others calling for our blood.  I don't mind getting knocked down a notch, and as a fact it scares me more if we don't get reign in some.  If it goes in as is, hopefully they are making some boosts in other areas for those classes that will need them and that are already behind.

[Te]

<P>Tbh assassins not broken as much as one might think.</P> <P> </P> <P>For wizzards on the other hand soe plain and simple need to take away that some mobs resists half of their arsenal of spells or more.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Thats it I can see, my guildie assassin friend does as much dps as me during raids simply because he got nicer aggro tools. The wizzards on the other hand needs to be seriously upped and taken away specific resists (atm its for wizzards as it was for us prevamp when we had some skills that was only pierce).</P>

[The_Wind]

Previous post of mine had an idea I thought was rather grand for wizards.  Considering that the majority of Ranger DPS is random(procs from bows, quickshot, poisons, weapons) our DPS is never 100% at all times.  Give wizards a buff, that gives them a 2% or 3% chance of a critical hit magic spell.  Sure the warriors and whatnot may complain then that the robes got a crit skill, but that wouldn't be OUR problem, now would it?! =P<div></div>

[Crychtonn]

<P>Simplest fix for wizards would be to stop having so many raid mobs immune or highly resistant to heat and cold.  That's the biggest gripe of the wizards in my guild.  Also a more even split between heat and cold based spells instead of the 80/20 ratio they have now.</P> <P> </P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gailstryder wrote:<BR>I don't mind getting knocked down a notch, and as a fact it scares me more if we don't get reign in some.  If it goes in as is, hopefully they are making some boosts in other areas for those classes that will need them and that are already behind. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>/Agreed!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want to be head and shoulders above the rest of the scout classes. I don't want that kind of attention, and I don't want to reinforce certain perceptions about our class. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I ask myself whether we're overpowered, and that's a hard question to quantify - what is "overpowered?" By T6, we can do some incredible things and our class is extremely capable by that point, but that should be the case for EVERY class by the time you're in your 50s! I don't see that as overpowered, I see it as the realization of our potential. I just hope SOE does a good job helping other classes realize their potential as well. </DIV>

[GrayStorm]

<DIV>some people just don't know when to s t f u and enjoy a good thing while it lasts.</DIV>

[Khevy]

<DIV>I have to say I do not like this nerf.  I think finally after 49 levels I have earned the right to speak out.  Yes we do ALOT of pure damage, I have had seeral guild mates marvel about how I can chew through a mob, however that is all we bring to a group is PURE damage.  We have no group buffs to speak of (yeah pathfinding but at 42+ everyone should have jboots and it don't stack).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other classes bring something to the group besides the damage that they do. I feel like a putz sometimes when they say buff up and the only thing I do is fire up the rings make sure the poisons are ready to go and make sure my self buffs are running good.  We are too fragile to tank, we have to be very careful of our damage.  If it is a yellow con mob or sometimes orange I can pull agro from our level 60 tank if I fire off every CA I have, and as most of you know those raid mobs hurt when they hit you for 3300 which is almost all your HP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point in all of this is simply that the only thing we bring to a group is damage an deven then we have to be careful how much we do.  There are many drawbacks besides damage and no real positives othre than tracking.  So yes we make a good solo class and a great DPS for raids and groups but all we bring is DPS.</DIV>

[Halade]

<DIV>Look at the bright side... if we're procing less poison we'll be a cheaper class to play!</DIV>

[meest]

I know it has been said countless times THE POISON STILL PROCS OFF THE BOW!!! Stop beating the dead horse. I know i've read about this in the test and these forums. People on test server have said it still works.... Instead of spreading chaos lets settle first and find out if its true. It saves alot of pointless posting. <div></div>

[Deml]

<P><pokes the wounded Leoric with a stick>  Do bows not proc poisons anymore?</P> <P><runs away laughing and giggling before Leoric can kill him></P> <P>Sorry bud, couldn't resist that one. hehe  I've said it before, I don't think this will affect us all that much.  I agree with Jay though, I love the damage I'm doing but I think we're starting to draw a little more attention than we would like.  Especially since on these boards, people like grabbing what a few very well geared folks can do and say that's the norm.  I'm probably one of the top 5 geared rangers on my server and I can pull off stuff that even other ranger friends of mine don't know how to do.  That's no where near the norm, it's mainly gear and the fact that I have all ad3 or better skills now plus I only use legendary poisons.  Others come to our boards, see the threads about "crazy soloing"  Don't post anything at all about the subject line or the fact that it's only ONE ranger that's posted they have done something like that and say it's what everyone can do.  Do I think I can solo the roost like Leoric did?  Not sure, but I keep wanting to try and see.  Doesn't mean that the rest of the rangers on my server can pull it off though.</P> <P>This post is by no means bragging btw, just teasing Leoric and posting general thoughts/blabbing about Rangers and how we're perceived on these, and other, boards.</P>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demlar wrote:<BR> <P> Do bows not proc poisons anymore?</P> <P></P> <P>Sorry bud, couldn't resist that one. hehe  I've said it before, I don't think this will affect us all that much.  I agree with Jay though, I love the damage I'm doing but I think we're starting to draw a little more attention than we would like.  Especially since on these boards, people like grabbing what a few very well geared folks can do and say that's the norm.  I'm probably one of the top 5 geared rangers on my server and I can pull off stuff that even other ranger friends of mine don't know how to do.  That's no where near the norm, it's mainly gear and the fact that I have all ad3 or better skills now plus I only use legendary poisons.  Others come to our boards, see the threads about "crazy soloing"  Don't post anything at all about the subject line or the fact that it's only ONE ranger that's posted they have done something like that and say it's what everyone can do.  Do I think I can solo the roost like Leoric did?  Not sure, but I keep wanting to try and see.  Doesn't mean that the rest of the rangers on my server can pull it off though.</P> <P>This post is by no means bragging btw, just teasing Leoric and posting general thoughts/blabbing about Rangers and how we're perceived on these, and other, boards.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>soloing roost is doable i had to try it after i read leorics post and i was stunned that someone would even try it! Anyways i tried and i succeeded but......it was freaking HARD! When i first tried i had most my spells apr 2 some adept 1 and only my detaunts adept 3 now we all know if yer soloing detaunts arent gonna be that much help the mobs wont hit ya any less will they!</P> <P>Anyways I died about 8 times in there till i got to the last named killed him first try tho since i had practise with the other previous named mobs! It definately was fun and i done it to be able to say i did but i doubt that i will do it agian just because it takes a long time.....prolly longer for me since leoric had better spells (maybe even more skilled then me cause he plays his ranger from b4 LU13 i been here since after LU13 so less experience) Anyways I bet a coercer / warlock / wizzy or any other class can do the same if they dont mind dying a bunch! Altough i must say i bet the tank classes will have lotta trouble doing it!</P> <DIV>Styxxey Tha Cwazy 60 Ranger of Splitpaw</DIV>