Couple Questions regarding damage.

[Runewind]

I feel like I'm constantly bugging you guys =/ I'm sorry about that. I just really want to get the best at this class that I can so I'm trying to gather as much info as possible and you all seem very helpfull. Anyway here it goes... How is ranged damage determined? I know I should know this but I don't and I was experimenting with some stuff and nothing seems to work. I thought it would be governed by agility since it was giverned by dex in EQ but that doesn't seem to be the case if I turn off my agility buff my bow damage is the same. I know it has something to do with arrow quality but is there any stat that increases it like strength does melee? Or is it something else? Also I just got to 27 and got forester's insight which is great but I have a question. Hunter's intinct has a 34% DPS buff at master 2 which is what I have it at and FI has a 21% haste buff at adept 1....  This makes me curious as to what's better a DPS buff or a haste buff? I tried to crunch some numbers for it and it seems to come out about even the problem is if your hasted doesn't your DPS go up anyway? That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. Anyway any help would be appreciated. Thank you. <div></div>

[Star]

<P>Str determines bonus to all physical damage, melee and ranged.</P> <P>As far as DPS vs Haste, by pure math you are correct they are basically the same. Haste increases the number of attacks per second and your DPS is basically the number of attacks per second times the amount of damage each attack does. So in theory they are the same thing. What is missing though is the fact that against any given mob every attack you make will not land. With a DPS buff those that land will hit harder than they other wise would have. With a haste buff those that land won't hit harder but you have more chances to hit. My math is a bit rusty but I believe there in you will find the difference.</P>

[Runewind]

Str determines bow damage too? really gah I need to up my strength more. Although when I removed my item increasing my strength by 7 it didn't seem to effect my bow damage much either. I think the real bonus to haste comes from procs once I started thinking about it. if you have more chances to hit you'll proc more and that adds up to more damage than just doing more raw damage with each attack. <div></div>

[Star]

Yes, the part about procs is likely very very true. Thought it would depend how haste effects the delay of the weapon... or more importantly if haste effects the delay before proc chance is calculated. I've seen that the actualy proc chance is (delay / 3) * listed proc chance. If that's the case if haste lowers the delay before it's imput into that forumla then it might not increase the proc chance at all. Some parsing with and without haste applied would be interesting. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and in regards to the str, watch you CA min and max damage as you change your strength. There is where the real bonus to high strength exists.</DIV><p>Message Edited by jwmaynar on <span class=date_text>12-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:22 PM</span>

[Runewind]

Yeah I noticed that the CAs go up with str after buying str gear but I know bow damage does go up. Like pure bow damage. Maybe it's just with level I guess? <div></div>

[xandez]

<P>STR is the only thing that affects to our dmg i think. It raises our CA aswell as ranged/melee autoattack dmg. <BR>AGI only affects to our avoidance and our power pool. It doesnt increase dmg nor does it increase accuracy. </P> <P>DPS and HASTE buffs are useful, BUT only when using AUTOATTACKS. They wont affect zilch to your CA dmg nor to the CA speeds. <BR>Also like mentioned in some other thread, the buffs to ranged skills dont seem to be taken into account when using CA:s. </P> <P>So, basically when you have to melee, hit those haste + DPS CA:s and you'll notice the difference, otherwise... not. Well, maybe kiting with autoranged is also one way to use those... </P> <P><BR>++Xan</P> <P> </P>

[Runewind]

I'm not sure str actually affects our ranged auto-attack. I actually took off all my gear and my bow said the same damage as it did when it was all on and I have a lot of str gear. but something DOES affect it because I know I've looked at the same bow at different levels and the damage has changed. Usually gone up although recently I noticed I looked at Stormfire when I was level 26 and it was 100-501 damage and then I looked at it at 27 and it was 77-383 and I'm like "Huh?" so yeah I'm not sure why that is exactly. <div></div>

[Balerius]

<P>Strength affects melee and bow autoattack damage.</P> <P>Strength affects bow and melee CA damage.</P> <P>Less well appreciated:  Intelligence affects proc damage...including poison damage.</P>

[xandez]

Hmm INT still affects poison dmg? I think i read somewhere that it doesnt affect anymore (after LU17 or something... *shrug*) Havent paid attention to that lately <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ++Xan <div></div>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR>Hmm INT still affects poison dmg? I think i read somewhere that it doesnt affect anymore (after LU17 or something... *shrug*)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I thought I read that too, but I keep seeing people saying Intelligence is useful for our proc damage. If anyone remembers seeing this in patch notes or can find that reference, I'd like to know for sure one way or the other. (Not like it *really* matters to me personally, but I don't want to advise others with incorrect or outdated information.)

[GrayStorm]

Sometimes my INT is about 30 and my attacks are still proc'ing like crazy!   I can't imagine it getting even better with boosted INT that would be really nice to know.  I've been so obsessed with STR and AGI that all other stats (except STA) are completely neglected.  My wisdom is 20.   [Removed for Content].   If INT does play a role, I'll have a pearl INT ring made or something so I can boost my INT a tad.

[Rahmn]

<DIV>Don't get too caught up in haste, yeah it's nice but almost all our damage comes from Combat Abilities, which haste does not affect.  At your level, if you wanna maximize your Dps you're gonna have to do you Ranged CA's and then get into melee range for some melee CA's until you ranged CA's refresh.   Always keep you Str and Agi high.  As for arrows, it's always been a mystery to me, I just use the appropriate teir and mobs die.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Nak]

If your ranged, haste is probably better imo because it'll have your bow shoot off another auto attack quicker which might proc, as for haste in dps, think dps would be better close up because increased speed seems to me to have a tendancy to miss more auto attacks while using CA's <div></div>