Type of armor - leather or Chain

[Vacan]

<DIV>I typically use all chain armor because of the mitigation you get from that as I solo a lot but have questioned whether leather would be better as it is suppose to give better avoidance. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Has anyone tested the difference in damage recieved when using the two?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What do you use and why?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[The_Wind]

Its really a personal preference.  With our offensive stance avoidance is null to begin with.  So the bonus you get from leatther, like 0.8 avoidance per piece is negligible. So choose what you want where you want. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Boramyr]

This really isn't a question anymore.  Chain.  Before the combat revamp, Legendary leather was better than Treasured Chain and Far Far cheaper than Legendary Chain thus the debate.  Nowadays though pile on the chain and make sure your defensive stance is upgraded to Adept I or Adept 3 and you should be able to solo very well and even tank for some groups.  <div></div>

[Vacan]

<P>Are you saying you use your defensive stance when soloing? I thought is was only good if you need to tank in groups. It seems to really lower damage and when soloing I found that the faster the mobs are dead the better for my health. Should I use it more often? Do you switch to it during a battle if it's with multiple mobs or for some other reason?</P> <P>I'm just trying to make sure I'm not missing something. </P> <P>Thanks for your input!!</P>

[brandi7920]

<DIV>Hmm I've used my defensive stance..exactly once..and that was by accident. Very rarely (if ever) do have the need to tank. My role is DPS, so I go all out DPS. Even when soloing, I take the mobs out with straight DPS and they usually aren't alive long enough to do any major dmg to me. But then, that is my play style. I duo frequently with a Swashie and we bounce mobs back and forth between us, but of the 2 of us - he would be considered the tank. I have heard of other Rangers who use their defense buffs on a regular basis such as switching to defense buffs if a mob comes there way. For me, if a mob comes my way I turn on Stream of Arrows and burn 'em down, with my handy-dandy swashie backstabbing for all he's worth.  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've always gone with the chain stuff, my preference, I guess. I like having the added mitigation in case I do take a sound @ss whooping. lol</DIV>

[Jay]

I use neither chain nor leather. In fact, I don't wear any armor at all. Commando kittay all the way! All will fear Teh Nekkid Ranja!!

[Crychtonn]

Take which ever has the higher Str.  That's what I do so I wear a combo of chain and leather.  Defensive stance is good for certain duels and very good to use in a group if you pull aggro.  It only takes a second to switch to and another to switch back once the tank regains aggro.

[Cael]

<P>I wear augmented leather but have an ebon CP and Leggings, that I have on a hotbar that i switch out if aggro comes my way, as well as my def stance. I really dont know how much difference it makes, but, it makes me feel better</P> <P>I DO know that the aumented CP has the opposite AGI STR as the ebon CP, as in 12 STR 8 AGI vs the 12 AGI vs 8 STR on the Ebon CP. I tihnk the rest of the set has slightly better stats, except for Mit of course, but its been so long since I had them made, I cant remember all of them.</P>

[brandi7920]

<DIV>I use neither chain nor leather. In fact, I don't wear any armor at all. Commando kittay all the way! All will fear Teh Nekkid Ranja!! </DIV> <DIV>--------------------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OMG Jay!!! ROFL I about choked on my soda! :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A little warning next itme..huh?</DIV> <DIV>hehehehe</DIV>

[Boramyr]

Yes I use my defensive stance almost as much as my offensive one (both I have at adept III).  If I'm in a group with the luxury of a real tank I go full offense.  If I'm tanking the mobs I go defensive.  Full Cobalt Chain with a few fabled pieces.  Myself a 58 warden and a 60 wizard can run ancients table (mostly level 60 to 62 triple ups)  easy with me tanking.  Health only goes red on the named.  

[Aenashi]

<DIV>i just pure offensive stance..  I do good for myself. lvl 52 ranger and i have a full set of cobalt armor.  The miitgation is a lot better with cobalt.  I say go for pure chainmail armor.  I noticed a difference from t6 treasured armor and t6 rare armor.  HUGE difference in dmg taken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as for as grouping...i got a bunch of STR gear that i switch between heh.</DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> brandi7920 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OMG Jay!!! ROFL I about choked on my soda! :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A little warning next itme..huh?</DIV> <DIV>hehehehe</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Warning?? But then I couldn't make you spit drink all over your keyboard. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR>

[Gareorn]

<DIV>I wear the T5 legendary leather head to toe.  When I'm soloing or tanking, I use the legendary potions for the mitigation boost.  <SPAN class=RecipeName>Melernil's Favor gives +200 Mitigation and <SPAN class=RecipeName>Evital's Favor gives +172.  I'll probably switch to chain once I get to T6, but for now the leather works really nice and it looks good on my wood elf.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=RecipeName><SPAN class=RecipeName></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=RecipeName><SPAN class=RecipeName>If you don't have access to an unlimited supply of potions, I recommend the chain.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>

[Aenashi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gareorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I wear the T5 legendary leather head to toe.  When I'm soloing or tanking, I use the legendary potions for the mitigation boost.  <SPAN class=RecipeName>Melernil's Favor gives +200 Mitigation and <SPAN class=RecipeName>Evital's Favor gives +172.  I'll probably switch to chain once I get to T6, but for now the leather works really nice and it looks good on my wood elf.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=RecipeName><SPAN class=RecipeName></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=RecipeName><SPAN class=RecipeName>If you don't have access to an unlimited supply of potions, I recommend the chain.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>can you post the stats of the t5 leather and the t5 chain... both being rare...  So ebon and the augmenuted..  Also can someone post the chain cobalt and the leather t6 rare stuff?<BR><BR>i really want to see the full stats comparison. 

[Aenashi]

<DIV>do the mitgation potions stack with the poison potions?</DIV>

[Zholain]

<span><font size="2">Regarding the stats on t6 rare leather vs. rare chain....the pieces I have compared are identical.  I believe the only differences are of course the mitigation, and the avoidance factor. </font></span><div></div>

[Cael]

<P>1st of 3, my bad lol</P><p>Message Edited by Caelum on <span class=date_text>12-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:53 AM</span>

[BlackAdderDr]

<div></div><div></div>Chain, chain chain.  When I tank it is a fight of attrition so when I do end up tanking I am also the DPS.  So the lower mit on leather is out of the question for me ... I need as much protection as I can get so I can remain in offense and reduce punishment.  Leather is significantly less mit now and for those times you tank or take the occassional swipe the chain will consistently protect you better.   Using Stream of Arrows in offensive stance you will fare much better solo or duo.  I doubt you will drop any decent mobs with leather/defensive stance and stream, might work on double up but no chance on triple up mob. Heck I even use a shield now.  Gave up on dual imbued cobalt and went with t5 fabled 12% proc dirk and ironwood shield. Melee for defense, procs for offense <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <p>Message Edited by BlackAdderDrop on <span class="date_text">12-07-2005</span> <span class="time_text">07:20 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by BlackAdderDrop on <span class=date_text>12-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:23 AM</span>

[Cael]

<DIV>lol triple post</DIV><p>Message Edited by Caelum on <span class=date_text>12-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:53 AM</span>

[Cael]

<DIV>Im not online, so this info is coming from eq2db</DIV> <DIV>Pristine Tailored Augmented Skull Cap: 11 Int, 9 Wis, +34Health, +34 Power, +180 vs Divine, +270 vs Mental, 176 Mitigation <BR>Pristine Imbued Augmented Tunic: 8 Agi, 12 Str, +36 Health, +32 Power, +180 vs Disease, +315 vs Magic, 189 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Tailored Augmented Shoulder Pads: 11 Sta, 9 Wis, +35 Health, +33 Power, +180 vs Cold, +270 vs Heat, 176 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Tailored Augmented Bracers: 9 Int, 11 Str, +37 Health, +31 Power, +180 vs Divine, +270 vs Poison, 176 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Tailored Augmented Gloves: 9 Agi, 11 Wis, +39 Health, +29 Power, +225 vs Disease, +225 vs Heat, 176 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Imbued Augmented Pants : 9 Int, 12 Str, +30 Health, +38 Power, +180 vs Cold, +270 vs Poison, 189 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Tailored Augmented Boots: 7 Sta, 13 Agi, +38 Health, +30 Power, +315 vs Magic, +180 vs Mental, 176 Mitigation</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In Total: 35 Str, 30 Agi, 29 Int, 29 Wis, 18 Sta, +249 Health, +229 Power, 1258 Mitigation</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pristine Forged Ebon Chainmail Coif: 11 Int, 9 Wis, +32 Health, +36 Power, +225 vs Divine, +225 vs Mental, 229 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Imbued Ebon Chainmail Coat: 12 Agi, 8 Str, +36 Health, +32 Power, +225 vs Disease, +225 vs Magic, 246 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Forged Ebon Chainmail Mantle: 8 Sta, 12 Wis, +36 Health, +32 Power, +270 vs Cold, +180 vs Heat, 229 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Forged Ebon Chainmail Bracers: 10 Int, 10 Str, +36 Health, +32 Power, +225 vs Divine, +225 vs Poison, 229 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Forged Ebon Chainmail Gloves: 8 Agi, 12 Wis, +34 Health, +34 Power, +225 vs Disease, +225 vs Heat, 229 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Imbued Ebon Chainmail Leggings: 9 Int, 11 Str, +31 Health, +37 Power, +225 vs Cold, +225 vs Poison, 246 Mitigation<BR>Pristine Forged Ebon Chainmail Boots: 10 Sta, 10 Agi, +34 Health, +34 Power, +270 vs Magic, +180 vs Mental, 229 Mitigation</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In Total: 29 Str, 30 Agi, 30 Int, 33 Wis, 18 Sta, +239 Health, +237 Power, 1643 Mitigation<BR></DIV> <DIV>So, yeah the difference is 5 Str in favor of leather. And since when I bought my leather set, it was about 70g a piece, vs the 2.5p a piece for the ebon, IMO I made the right decision. I do have an ebon tunic and pants but I dont wear them regularly, I switch out if Im tanking however or pull aggro (theyre in a hotbar) as well as a shield</DIV>

[Vacan]

<P>Thanks for the information all! </P> <P> </P> <P>So most of you say that chain is better. </P> <P>Does this mean you are saying the the avoidance that you get from using leather is not equal to the mitigation you get when you use chain. </P> <P>If SoE had done this right you could take the same amount of damage using leather if the avoidance made the mobs miss you enough so that in the same length fight with the same mob you would take the same damage. In one it's being missed more and the other it's from absorbing more.</P> <P>Thanks again all of you for the info</P> <P>:smileyhappy:</P>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">The type of armor you choose to wear is purely personal preference.  Some people say that from a roleplaying perspective, it's absolutely rediculous for a ranger to wear chain.  They may be right, but I disagree with point of view.  Some people say that chain is ugly.  I also disagree with that...personally I think the leather is pretty ugly.  But you can see that both of those statements are nothing but opinion. There's a post somewhere here where someone had a full set of each, and compared avoidance between the two sets.  I can't remember what the final numbers were.  But I do remember that neither set offered a clear advantage.  Your assumption above <i><b>should</b></i> be correct in that the total damage taken should be roughly equal.  It all depends if SOE has put the proper avoidance factor into the leather armor.  At one point, prior to LU13, it certainly seemed that they did not have the formula correct and leather did not offer the avoidance that it should have.  I can't personally comment on this currently as I haven't tried leather at all in t6, and I"m pretty sure that I never will. Wear what you like and what you can afford.  Enjoy the game for what it is....that's what it's here for...purely <i><b>your</b></i> enjoyment.  It doesn't matter what I, or anyone else thinks.  <span>:womanwink:</span><span></span> </font><div></div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>brandi7920 wrote:<div>Hmm I've used my defensive stance..exactly once..and that was by accident. Very rarely (if ever) do have the need to tank. My role is DPS, so I go all out DPS. Even when soloing, I take the mobs out with straight DPS and they usually aren't alive long enough to do any major dmg to me. But then, that is my play style. I duo frequently with a Swashie and we bounce mobs back and forth between us, but of the 2 of us - he would be considered the tank. I have heard of other Rangers who use their defense buffs on a regular basis such as switching to defense buffs if a mob comes there way. For me, if a mob comes my way I turn on Stream of Arrows and burn 'em down, with my handy-dandy swashie backstabbing for all he's worth.  :smileyvery-happy:</div> <div> </div> <div>I've always gone with the chain stuff, my preference, I guess. I like having the added mitigation in case I do take a sound @ss whooping. lol</div><hr></blockquote>Depending on your level, I agree with the above re: dropping them quickly, and to this end I have taken the advice of another poster - just go for the stats.  I'm about 30% away from lvl 40 and have started to get my armor in ready.  Fact is legendary leather has awsome mitigation & stats, and is nearly a full plat cheaper than legendary chain.  It also has comparable MIT to regular chain.  I'm just searching by slot and looking at the stats I like best and - on advice - going pretty much all out for STR.  More STR = more DPS = quicker dead mobs.  Obviously (see my sig) I'm lucky in that a) rare pelts are dirt cheap, and b) I can then craft my own in most slots.  But I have bought a few items of chain. To sumarise a Legendary Imbued Leather tunic costs about 40g - same in chain will cost about 1p20g.  Money better spent on a bow IMO.</span><div></div>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zholain wrote:<BR><FONT size=2><BR>Wear what you like and what you can afford.  Enjoy the game for what it is....that's what it's here for...purely <I><B>your</B></I> enjoyment.  It doesn't matter what I, or anyone else thinks.  <SPAN>:womanwink:</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><BR></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>/agree completely</P> <P>I wear chain, never really worn leather. I don't bank on avoidance b/c I'm not an avoidance class - even plate tanks have much higher avoidance than we do, tho that's primarily due to shield factor. My monk companion has avoidance over 60% in her leather, b/c they have an inherently high avoidance built into their class. We don't, so I don't personally want to give up mitigation (which works equally well for all classes, to my knowledge) to add a marginal improvement to an already low statistic. Plus, it just suits my playstyle better, cuz I do take the occasional hit in combat.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P>

[Aenashi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mentla wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> brandi7920 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hmm I've used my defensive stance..exactly once..and that was by accident. Very rarely (if ever) do have the need to tank. My role is DPS, so I go all out DPS. Even when soloing, I take the mobs out with straight DPS and they usually aren't alive long enough to do any major dmg to me. But then, that is my play style. I duo frequently with a Swashie and we bounce mobs back and forth between us, but of the 2 of us - he would be considered the tank. I have heard of other Rangers who use their defense buffs on a regular basis such as switching to defense buffs if a mob comes there way. For me, if a mob comes my way I turn on Stream of Arrows and burn 'em down, with my handy-dandy swashie backstabbing for all he's worth.  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've always gone with the chain stuff, my preference, I guess. I like having the added mitigation in case I do take a sound @ss whooping. lol</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Depending on your level, I agree with the above re: dropping them quickly, and to this end I have taken the advice of another poster - just go for the stats.  I'm about 30% away from lvl 40 and have started to get my armor in ready.  Fact is legendary leather has awsome mitigation & stats, and is nearly a full plat cheaper than legendary chain.  It also has comparable MIT to regular chain.  I'm just searching by slot and looking at the stats I like best and - on advice - going pretty much all out for STR.  More STR = more DPS = quicker dead mobs.  Obviously (see my sig) I'm lucky in that a) rare pelts are dirt cheap, and b) I can then craft my own in most slots.  But I have bought a few items of chain.<BR><BR>To sumarise a Legendary Imbued Leather tunic costs about 40g - same in chain will cost about 1p20g.  Money better spent on a bow IMO.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>hmmm ok, i wouldnt even spend a lot of money on any gear unless its for t6.  why spend a lot of money when you will be upgrading most of it when you hit lvl 50 and got to upgrade again?  I went into farming pieces of ebon to get a full chain set and gave up after a guy on my server kithicor named TOOKER stole 4 pieces of ebon from me...  Just quit the game after sending him the stuf...  well i havent seen him on tooker in a long time ><  oh well...  </P> <P>The cobalt stuff is pretty sweet.  I also do not recommend going out and buying the finished products..find a friend who is an armor smith..and someone you trust. give him the rare's and a tip and let him go to town on it.  MUCH cheaper.  Harvest them also.</P>

[Jay]

<P>Did you report the incident where your rares got stolen? This happened to a guildie of mine and he got his rares and money restored by the CSR who responded to his ticket. </P> <P>FWIW, don't *ever* give your raw rares or money to a random unguilded lowbie alt, whatever the reasoning. Those toons are disposable, and one of the most common methods of theft is to log an alt, get someone's rares, loot, or cash, then bank them and delete the alt altogether. The more insidious scammers will actually duplicate existing players' names with slight variations in spelling, which gains them the trust associated with a known player and, sadly, can ruin that player's reputation or trust if people don't realize the nature of the scam. </P>

[Aenashi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <P>Did you report the incident where your rares got stolen? This happened to a guildie of mine and he got his rares and money restored by the CSR who responded to his ticket. </P> <P>FWIW, don't *ever* give your raw rares or money to a random unguilded lowbie alt, whatever the reasoning. Those toons are disposable, and one of the most common methods of theft is to log an alt, get someone's rares, loot, or cash, then bank them and delete the alt altogether. The more insidious scammers will actually duplicate existing players' names with slight variations in spelling, which gains them the trust associated with a known player and, sadly, can ruin that player's reputation or trust if people don't realize the nature of the scam. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I did create a ticket and the CSR said there is nothing they can do.  That guy had did a few things for me in the past and was a lvl 52 paladin.  <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=154052106" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=154052106</A>  that is his profile.  i will have to write a lil nasty thing on the server forums about them...

[Teksun]

I wear primarily chain, but I wouldn't turn down any fabled leather that had the right stats. I frequently use defensive stance when solo. I also spam my CA's a lot and never seem to miss, but THEY sure miss a lot more often... FYI it takes almost NO time to switch stances. <div></div>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ihateforumnames wrote:<BR> <DIV>do the mitgation potions stack with the poison potions?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes.  Poisons and potions are two different items and neither has anything to do with the other.  Potions are beneficial while poisons target the enemy.  I use potions situationally depending on what I'm hunting.  They can increase your resistances, stats, mitigation, power/health regen.  About the only thing I can't find is the potion that refills my adult beverage while playing.  I still have to go to the kitchen for that. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:  I almost forgot.  The main reason I wear leather is not stats or avoidance, it's cost.  the cheapest I've seen an embued ebon chain chest piece on my server is 2p.  I bought all of my leather for about 2p.  The chest and legs are both imbued.  I'm saving up for the cobalt stuff.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gareorn on <span class=date_text>12-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:56 PM</span>

[Mentla]

<span><span><blockquote><hr>ihateforumnames wrote: <blockquote> <hr></blockquote><p>hmmm ok, i wouldnt even spend a lot of money on any gear unless its for t6.  why spend a lot of money when you will be upgrading most of it when you hit lvl 50 and got to upgrade again? </p> <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>lol - because I'm a tailor.  Don't know why exactly - probably because of all the nodes in Feerott - but T5 rare pelts are cheaper than T4.  So with cost of fuels etc. I've made legendary shoulders, gloves, boots, bracers (which have loverly +STR) and helmet for about 15g each!!  Bought an imbued tunic because I'm not high enough to make my own yet and (because the stats were nice) I did buy rare chain legs.  So, appart from the legs I got a whole set of armor for less than the cost of 1 rare chain tunic.  If it's true that avoidence and MIT balance out between leather and chain you'd be stark raving mad to buy chain!  Spend the money on weapons and Adp/Masters instead.  I usualy draw ago when grouped and never have to resort to defensive stance, and I've been in leather all the way!  Drew loads of adds the other day in RE and whole group, tank included, died but I just shredded away! leather ftw in my opinion - unless you're loaded.</span><div></div>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">To be honest, I haven't even thought about concentrating on avoidance since the agility nerf last January/February or whenever it was.  Up to that point, you could argue that we were an avoidance class.  We performed similarly to the way brawlers do today (and the animation for dodging all those attacks was really cool, btw).  However, avoidance is a non-issue for rangers in the current state of the game.  In offensive stance, you're lucky to get 30% avoidance regardless of the armor you're wearing. Prices on leather vs. chain can be significant, but I don't think I've ever seen it to be as inexpensive as some of you.  The biggest difference I've ever seen for t5 was 20g or so a piece.  In t6, that price gap lessens even more.  In fact, the few times that I have actually seen completed pieces up for sale, scaled leather has been more expensive than cobalt in some cases....for identical stats.  And raw scaled pelts sell for the same price as cobalt clusters.  This may have had something to do with the fact that scaled leather pelts were not dropping as frequently as they should have been, which I think has been corrected. This is a debate that goes back as far as EQ2 beta, and anytime someone posts about it, it spurs a flurry of responses.  There is no best or worst.  I state again that it is personal taste and preference. </font><div></div>

[Aenashi]

<DIV>i keep hearing the cost aspect of the arguement between the 2.  I do not really see it.  Unless you are lazy and do not wish to go out and farm your own stuff?  I farmed all of my own cobalt to get my cobalt chainmail and it only cost me 20g a piece for someone to make each piece of armor for me.   I enjoy farming stuff though lol</DIV>

[Teksun]

Yes, so far I have gotten 4 cobalt and 0 leather drops, so I am wearing chain. If I had harvested/looted leathe I would probably be wearing that. Money is to tight right now to not harvest my own... <div></div>

[Aenashi]

<DIV>I love when sinking sands splits off to 2 instanced zones...go to number 2 and harvest like a mad man! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Good stuff right there.</DIV>

[Mentla]

lol - as a tailor I'm constantly hitting animal den nodes and I haven't hit a rare pelt since T2!!  Keep getting rares roots left and right (which my mage reaaaaallllly loves  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).  I think Bug is just really unlucky. <div></div>

[Aenashi]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mentla wrote:<BR>lol - as a tailor I'm constantly hitting animal den nodes and I haven't hit a rare pelt since T2!!  Keep getting rares roots left and right (which my mage reaaaaallllly loves  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).  I think Bug is just really unlucky.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i believe that the spawn rate of the rare leather is very low.  I think it maybe be because of the fact that each one has 2-3 different meats then a hide.  But on my server the price for a leather pelt is 30g so it isnt that bad.  I just keep harvesting my ore and stones for the items i need</DIV>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ihateforumnames wrote:<BR> <DIV>i keep hearing the cost aspect of the arguement between the 2.  I do not really see it.  Unless you are lazy and do not wish to go out and farm your own stuff?  I farmed all of my own cobalt to get my cobalt chainmail and it only cost me 20g a piece for someone to make each piece of armor for me.   I enjoy farming stuff though lol</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Please don't confuse luck with diligence.  I'm in tier 5 and have never harvested a rare ore.  Nope, not one.  I have no problem getting the occassional rare off of the other nodes.  It's a random process and some just seem to be lucky.  My wife harvests about as often as I do and has been very lucky through the tiers but is half way through 5 and hasn't found a rare ore yet.

[Dasanhgul]

<P>No matter what tier, I've ALWAYS been more lucky with ore type rares than any other type of nodes.</P> <P>T6 was no exception and in no time I had my cobalt chainmail done, but am still out there trying to get my fury friend his pelts. :smileyindifferent:</P> <P> </P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zholain wrote:<BR><FONT size=2>And raw scaled pelts sell for the same price as cobalt clusters.  This may have had something to do with the fact that scaled leather pelts were not dropping as frequently as they should have been, which I think has been corrected.<BR></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It has. Amalia and I have harvested something like 3-4 rare pelts in the last week for her armor (which is now almost complete). But by the same token, the girl with the magic pickaxe found something like two cobalts and three vanadiums in ONE DAY. She had the cobalt made into chain boots for me as a surprise, so I'm now fully decked out in cobalt chain from the neck down, and we're both finishing up our vanadium jewelry. It's crazy how far along we've gotten on gear upgrades in the last week or so, given the drops and increased harvest rates.