Cheap shot and ^^^ heroic creatures

[JonnyBgood]

I have a lvl 23 ranger and play solo most of the time. I am having trouble killing ^^^ heroic creatures and ^^^ "named" creatures. The main problem I am facing is with using my stealthed behind the creature attacks. I usually begin a fight with backshot and wounding arrow. When the enemy closes in to melee range I then use cheapshot to stun them, run around the back of them whislt hunt or stalk is casting, then perform shadowblade or another high damage rear stealthed combat art. Now the problem with using the above tactics against ^^^ enemies is that cheapshot simply doesn't seem to work on the ^^^ creatures. I will start the fight as usual and when the enemy closes into melee range I will use cheapshot, cast stalk and run around to the rear. Then to my horror I realise that my ^^^ enemy is not stunned so they simply spin around to face me, rendering most of the high damage combat arts I need to use , uesless. Does this happen to other rangers? Or am I doing something wrong? Any advise is well appreciated. <div></div>

[HanktheDwarf]

Cheapshot only works for about 2 seconds on anything with an arrow (or three) above it's head.  The only tactic I have found is doing the initial volley of hidden shot and such.  Then, as I am hitting Cheapshot, I start to back up.  By the time it lands and I get far enough away, I have enough time for a Triple Shot or Flame Shot. <div></div>

[meest]

<span><blockquote><hr>JonnyBgood wrote:I have a lvl 23 ranger and play solo most of the time. I am having trouble killing ^^^ heroic creatures and ^^^ "named" creatures. The main problem I am facing is with using my stealthed behind the creature attacks. I usually begin a fight with backshot and wounding arrow. When the enemy closes in to melee range I then use cheapshot to stun them, run around the back of them whislt hunt or stalk is casting, then perform shadowblade or another high damage rear stealthed combat art. Now the problem with using the above tactics against ^^^ enemies is that cheapshot simply doesn't seem to work on the ^^^ creatures. I will start the fight as usual and when the enemy closes into melee range I will use cheapshot, cast stalk and run around to the rear. Then to my horror I realise that my ^^^ enemy is not stunned so they simply spin around to face me, rendering most of the high damage combat arts I need to use , uesless. Does this happen to other rangers? Or am I doing something wrong? Any advise is well appreciated. <div></div><hr></blockquote>This happens to all rangers because its how its suppose to work. Anything with no ^ or with Down ^ will stun for the whole 6 sec durration. but anything with an ^ arrow will ususaly only stick for the 2 seconds. Also please remember that usualy posting about us trying to solo, heroic ^^^ tends to grant more attention to us than what we want. I know for a fact this discussion has occurred before.... I don't want to sound like a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] but i don't want another Wizard/Ranger Slugfest going on again.....</span><div></div>

[Dasanhgul]

<DIV>You really should examine <STRONG>Cheap Shot</STRONG>, as it will give you some insight at why that is happening.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Teksun]

<span><blockquote><span><span><blockquote><hr>meest03 wrote:<span> Anything with no ^ or with Down ^ will stun for the whole 6 sec durration. but anything with an ^ arrow will ususaly only stick for the 2 seconds. </span><hr></blockquote></span>I'm not so sure on the 6 second duration anymore. I get jumped by green and blue easy MoBs all the time. I used to be able to stun, stealth, backattack, bowshot. Now the bow shot NEVER lands. Anyone else think duration of this went down? </span></blockquote></span><div></div>

[Aenashi]

<DIV>i can usually get 4 seconds (how it feels) on no arrow and down monsters.   anything with ^ i can get 2 secs max...anything more i am lucky if i get 2 secs...seems way to short.</DIV>

[Zutan]

On any mob without an ^ (even heroics without ^) It stuns for 6 seconds.  I use it all the time.  However, even on SOLO mobs, if they have even 1 ^ it only lasts about 2 seconds.  This is enough time for the "flame arrow" line or if you get far enough back some other bow attack might be possible.  Its NOT enough time for a jump around and backstab combo typically. BTW down arrow mobs are just like NO arrow mobs as far as Cheap Shot goes.  Full 6 second stun on them. <div></div>

[Tarryn]

<P>Guys...  On a mob that's no-arrow or less, Cheap Shot will hold for the full duration, regardless.  On a mob with ^ or more, Cheap Shot will <EM>break as soon as the mob is damaged</EM>.  If you just Cheap Shot, the mob will become unstunned as soon as your next attack lands (or DoT ticks).  You can minimize the effect to some degree by turning off your autoattack as soon as you Cheap Shot.  This will sometimes allow you to get behind the mob and surveil (<EM>not</EM> Pouncing Attack or the like--it will wake the mob up) and backstab.</P> <P>However, as was previously stated, the most efficient use of Cheap Shot against a ^ or better mob is usually to simply back off while casting Cheap Shot--this will allow you to get enough room to cut loose with a ranged CA.</P>

[xandez]

<P>Tarryn hit the nail with his post, agreed 100%.</P> <P>Cheap shot is NOT a stun against mobs with any ^ on em. Its a mezz which brakes if you do any dmg, thats why its suggested to back off and launch some ranged attack. (I've noticed im having troubles getting triple fire in, since its kinda slow compared to sharp shot... Dunno, maybe i should back off a little bit more <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</P> <P><BR>++Xan</P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>12-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:26 AM</span>