Crazy Soloing

[Haaod]

<DIV>Ok recently i have found out that i am able to solo mobs as high as 48 ^ ^ ^ (i am 44) and i thought i would share what i have found with my fellow rangers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In sinking sands i have been kiting spiders for the last lvl and a half. I have a high DoT poison and Stormfire. I also use the lvl 20 stunning poison called Touch of the beholder (15% chance for 3.8 second stun). all i have to do is run backwards with ranged AA on and use snare whenever possible. When my stun poison procs i stop and use Sharp Shot(lvl 44 CA) if it procs again from that i use triple fire, if this also procs my stun poison i continue with all other ranged abilities that i have.(leg shot, miracle shot, trick arrow, etc.) Doing this i can take down a desert tarantula(47 ^ ^ ^) or Exiled Kromtar(48 ^ ^ ^) in about 3-4 min. each giving me 2.5-3%.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have found this a very effective way of lvling and was wondering if anyone had questions or comments. i have never seen anyone else doing this so am i the first? or have others been doing this for a while?</DIV>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Many rangers have found some very creative ways of doing some pretty amazing things, but I would urge you to be cautious about bragging about it. It is not the norm, not necessarily efficient, and can be very costly in terms of coin spent on various poisons/potions....all of which can be very difficult for other classes to understand. </font><div></div>

[Haaod]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Zholain wrote:<BR><FONT size=2>Many rangers have found some very creative ways of doing some pretty amazing things, but I would urge you to be cautious about bragging about it.<BR></FONT><BR> <HR> <P>If i where bragging about it i would have posted it on the combat encouters forum. I am trying to help out other rangers. Not bragg about myself</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Mentla]

I'm very low (lvl 2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> so I am asking this purely out of curiosity - could you not solo 3-4 zero or ^ yellow mobs in this time and get the same xp for less effort? As I say, only lvl 28 and haven't really tried kiting yet. <div></div>

[Stormykat]

<span><blockquote><hr>Zholain wrote:<font size="2">Many rangers have found some very creative ways of doing some pretty amazing things, but I would urge you to be cautious about bragging about it. It is not the norm, not necessarily efficient, and can be very costly in terms of coin spent on various poisons/potions....all of which can be very difficult for other classes to understand. </font><div></div><hr></blockquote>I agree with Zholain. It is not the norm to solo heroic mobs 4 levels above you and does involve a lot of cost and preparation. I do agree that it would more efficient to quickly go through the solo encounter mobs while working on quests for xp, but that's just me. </span><div></div>

[Fennir]

Stun poisons are not an efficient means of soloing.  They wear off after very few procs.  If you want to use them to take out hard mobs, awesome, but be aware that posts like this often hurt us a lot more than they help. <div></div>

[Quillian Feetfa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Haaodus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok recently i have found out that i am able to solo mobs as high as 48 ^ ^ ^ (i am 44) and i thought i would share what i have found with my fellow rangers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In sinking sands i have been kiting spiders for the last lvl and a half. I have a high DoT poison and Stormfire. I also use the lvl 20 stunning poison called Touch of the beholder (15% chance for 3.8 second stun). all i have to do is run backwards with ranged AA on and use snare whenever possible. When my stun poison procs i stop and use Sharp Shot(lvl 44 CA) if it procs again from that i use triple fire, if this also procs my stun poison i continue with all other ranged abilities that i have.(leg shot, miracle shot, trick arrow, etc.) Doing this i can take down a desert tarantula(47 ^ ^ ^) or Exiled Kromtar(48 ^ ^ ^) in about 3-4 min. each giving me 2.5-3%.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have found this a very effective way of lvling and was wondering if anyone had questions or comments. i have never seen anyone else doing this so am i the first? or have others been doing this for a while?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hasn't Touch of the Beholder been nerfed enough?  Drawing attention to things that could be used as exploits is a way to get the Neft Bat swinging our way again.  <BR>

[chanaho]

   Go take a look at the Guardian forum. There is already a thread (about 2 weeks old) of a Guardian watching a Ranger go from about lvl 52 to 58 in a weeks time soloing heroic ^^^ 3-5 lvls above. Said the Ranger has no special gear and the Ranger mentioned the lvl 20 stun poison as a big part along with the snares etc.    He claimed not to be calling for a nerf but thats what alot of the posters were more or less asking for. That we are way overpowered.    Some Guardians on the other hand were telling everyone not to worry about what Rangers can/cant do and get on to fixing their own class...I commend them.    I will state right here that I do not have the best record fighting heroics 3-5 lvls below me although with perfect conditions and room I 'might' get lucky... but I have better things to do than spend my time for a little extra exp per kill when i can make more in that time with solo con.       I at first was wondering if there was a motive for the post as I noticed the Bow of choice for him as a lvl 44 was stormfire! <div></div>

[King Leor]

<P>No, your definatley not the first to do it. and no it's definatley not hard and no it does not take any skill whatso ever to do it either. It's just something we have always been able to do. If you take the time to look at each page on the ranger forums you will find posts where people talk about it. contrary to popular belief this is a very efficient way to solo and stun poisons get more than a few procs to them. When ever I solo ^^^ mobs a few lvls higher than me I can kill around 8 befor using my stun poison again (which I may add is very cheap considering all loot will be yours as well) And soloing these will come even easier to you in the future when you get stream of arrows. The recipe to this is....Open with triple arrow. (3 arrows, one is guarenteed to stun the mob and hasn't failed me yet) than cast stream of arrows and the mob wont move and will be dead in under 20 seconds. Than repeat. Very easy. and please.....someone tell me how this takes skill????</P> <P>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</P>

[Te]

<DIV>Rofl but it made soloing boring though.</DIV>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<DIV>I dont get this.... Sure its "easy" to solo heroics and i tried and succeeded at lvl 24 doing my first heroic solo just so i knew i could but thats about it!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really dont like soloing its really boring i like interaction with other people, its online no? If i played this game to solo i would play arcanum or some other non online game. But i guess everyone has their own ways of playing this game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways good luck and have fun</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cersiana]

Over powered? Us ? Pssht please.. our problem is without the room our dps is hurt pretty bad.. and! We seem to be kinda squishy.. As for soloing heriocs? I've seen other classes solo herioc named.. So. Ya know.. Its possible if you know what your doing. And I'm not gonna point my finger at any classes cause I'm not gonna try to get the nerf bat swung their way. Yeah as for what you guys said with a good stun poison or thorny trap is it? Soloing for rangers is easy.. But if they make it a challenge people will just whine again !!

[Nulad]

It's not Rangers that are overpowered, if anything is overpowered its the poisen itself. Nul. <div></div>

[Te]

<P>I agree fuly Nuladen.</P> <P> </P> <P>If we arent honest about this then soe might correct it the wrong way.</P>

[Zutan]

At level 44 I have "kited" stuff as high as level 50.  It was not a "sure win" though as I lost as often as I won.  If its barely yellow to me or lower I can kite it easily as long as its not a caster. The thing is, its not a ranger specific ability.  Anyone with a bow can do it.  Anyone with ranged spells can do it.  Its really a matter of being patient and careful.  Its NOT an efficient way to get exp though.  I can get way more exp from the solo mobs in the zone in the same time it would take to kite the 1 ^^^ heroic. <div></div>

[mastalynx]

<DIV>Can you do it without the poison? cause that takes skill.</DIV>

[Cersiana]

<DIV>Yep like i said. I've seen other classes do as much. And yes I agree its the poisons, if anything, thats over powered. But, you also have to look at the fact that other classes are soloing the same things we do WITHOUT poisons so. Yes we can do more than them insome cases and the poison bill can go out the roof to do it but. Still, the game is still outta balance a group mob is meant to be killed by six people of its lvl not one. much less when the mob is four five lvls higher than the chara. But back to what i said.... we aint the only class soloing stuff like this.</DIV>

[Alli]

<P>If every ranger was doing the same things I am able to do both solo, or with a "squad" of rangers, I would say it might be overpowered. There are some encounters, that it seems almost neccessary to have these. I really dont want to see rangers start posting on how to do this or that blah blah solo or whatnot. I do not want to see this nerfed. I have run into several rangers who dont know their poisons, and cannot solo for sh~.</P> <P>I like that there are certain encounters that I am required in order for success, it requires a totally different strategy than the normal raid strat. Its nice for a change. It will end up nerfed because someone is gonna run their mouth and get unwanted attention.</P> <P>Other classes talk about us and what we are"capable" of doing enough. Lets not talk about what we can do ourselves.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Haaod]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mastalynx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Can you do it without the poison? cause that takes skill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes i can do it without the stun poison, it is not nearly as easy but possible none the less. also it takes longer and uses more arrows without the stun poison.</DIV>

[Zutan]

Ive never used a stun poison personnaly.  I stick with damage poisons.  I definitely cant kite something hard without some damage poison on though. <div></div>

[Alli]

<DIV>.......Zutan....you can stack 3 poisons....DMG, Debuff, Stun/Stifle.......So you can use a stun poison, AND stick with DMG poisons =P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I run with Adestes, Stun, and Pierce Debuff almost all the time, changing only depending on the situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Haaodus wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mastalynx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Can you do it without the poison? cause that takes skill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes i can do it without the stun poison, it is not nearly as easy but possible none the less. also it takes longer and uses more arrows without the stun poison.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The only big benefit stun poison gives is the added ability to solo the caster mobs.  Non caster types are almost as easy to kill without stun as with it.  Does require some skill but doesn't really take that much longer.  Though the change to start auto bow off of bow CA's has made it more of a PITA then it's worth to do it without the stun poison.</P> <P> </P>

[sAs-Bartleby]

<span><blockquote><hr>Haaodus wrote:<div>Ok recently i have found out that i am able to solo mobs as high as 48 ^ ^ ^ (i am 44) and i thought i would share what i have found with my fellow rangers.</div> <div> </div> <div>In sinking sands i have been kiting spiders for the last lvl and a half. I have a high DoT poison and Stormfire. I also use the lvl 20 stunning poison called Touch of the beholder (15% chance for 3.8 second stun). all i have to do is run backwards with ranged AA on and use snare whenever possible. When my stun poison procs i stop and use Sharp Shot(lvl 44 CA) if it procs again from that i use triple fire, if this also procs my stun poison i continue with all other ranged abilities that i have.(leg shot, miracle shot, trick arrow, etc.) Doing this i can take down a desert tarantula(47 ^ ^ ^) or Exiled Kromtar(48 ^ ^ ^) in about 3-4 min. <b>each giving me 2.5-3%.</b></div> <div><b> </b></div> <div><b>I have found this a very effective way of lvling </b>and was wondering if anyone had questions or comments. i have never seen anyone else doing this so am i the first? or have others been doing this for a while?</div><hr></blockquote>Take a small group. Ranger, tank + healer minimum or a full group then go to lavastorm  (you should be around 48 -50) There are small drakotas. each dracota^^^^ gives 1,5% and you need 30 sec. I made my lvl  47, 48 and 49 at one day. Only need 1 1/2 hour for the first lvl up. That is what i think is effective leveling. If you only want this.</span><div></div>

[comwebgr]

Touch of the beholder really rocks. That procs quite a bit when I use my longbow.  There have been many times when critters haven't budged an inch because it has proc'ed more than once. I wish it had more that 20 uses per application. I can go through one application pretty fast.

[R2Chie]

personally dont like the fact that solo players can take down group mobs way above there own level... ive done it on the wizzie many times and i think both are extremely unfair to the other professions of the game. Pointing fingers saying "other classes can do this and that" also isnt the answer to anything anytime that a "ranger is overpowered" message is put up. I dont think any of the said classes should be able to take down group mobs, and group named mobs with little to no ease, that includes rangers and it includes all other said professions that people are more than happy to point the finger at (wizard included..). I dont want anyone "nerfed", i would just prefer the game were more balanced. And if SoE insist on alot of classes able to go above and kill off these named ^^^ mobs then balance the scale upwards and let everyone do it... otherwise its just a screwed up game with overpowered professions over others. How they can even be thinking about implementing a pvp system anytime soon with classes working like this is completely beyond me. Anyway, if you want the proper parts concentrated on then instead of saying "shhhh" everytime a thread comes up like this why dont you start a constructive post about what is concerning and what needs looked at before you end up getting a nerf bat in the wrong spot (i.e look at above poison comments). No doubt ill get told off for screaming nerf, which im not. But if you insist on doing that then go for it. I just dont like seeing the game in its unbalanced state. <div></div>

[standupwookie]

If poisons were overpowered, then My assassin could do the exact same thing.  I can assure you, my level 42 Assassin can not, nor has ever been able, to solo a ^^^mob 4 levels higher.  I can not solo the lowest green ^^^ mob.  I may be able to solo the very first level of grey ^^^ mobs.  Poison is pretty powerful, but paying for it and paying for arrows (you get to summon them for free..ahem) kinda cancels it out. The ability to snare or root or stun and arrow kite is what is overpowered.  But, thats basically the Ranger class.  Ah well, I still like my assassin SUW

[black_cap]

we haven't been able to kite since LU 13 genius .... <div></div>

[Feaw]

<DIV>Rangers are not over powerd.   You have to understand that some people make very specific instances sound like common occurances and yes they are morons.   However anyone who ask that another class be nerfed IMO isnt a nice person.   The problem is probably with the mobs they that are being exploited because there are enough rangers who are saying that its not like that for all of us.   As an example, I also have a paly and I recall before DoF watching a paly do things that my paly couldnt do at the same level (or even dream of).   Crazy things.   Later after talking to some of his friends I was told he had some rare fabled gear that was doing a lot of the work for him, but that didnt stop people at the time from saying palys were overpowerd ... crazy as it sounds.   I can promise from my personal experence as a ranger that I may challenge the dps of the sorcerers Im grouped with when I have the range to do it and all my bow art timers are up but in no way to I make them look bad and they can fire off dps much more often than I can and dont have to worry about being too close to the target.   Predi and Sorcerer are on the same dps teir, there should be no comptition for who is best.   That contest is a personalty issue not a class issue.   Lets ask for fixes not nerfs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[black_cap]

<div></div>I hate to say this but you wizards are coming to the ranger forum because you are unsatisfied that we are now the top DPS in the game.  Lets see for the first 10 months we were no where near top DPS.  The only reason I was invited to raid is because there either wasn't enough people or I needed it for a update.  Otherwise every DPS slot would be filled by a top DPS (wizard) and we got the short end of the stick.  So now its the other way around and most DPS classes that were on top pre LU13 are now hear complaining of what SoE did to us.  We have been nerfed to death many many times, nerfing us again isn't gonna hurt but only make us stronger. So was that far to us rangers for the first 9 months to get shafted?  Were we posting on the wizard forums on how much you need nerfed or we need brought up to par with you?  No we didn't, we took what we had and we made it happen.  We didn't go around depicting each class that could out DPS us in certain situations/raids.  I still to this day would trade my 60 ranger for a 60 wizard with the equivalent gear because I know what wizards are capable of.  We can't root, group buff or nuke like you at all.   We can't solo the nameds in Silent City/PP/instances with ease.  It takes a top ranger in top gear with top spells and poisons to do so. <div></div><p>Message Edited by black_cap on <span class=date_text>12-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:11 AM</span>

[Stormykat]

<span><blockquote><hr>black_cap wrote:we haven't been able to kite since LU 13 genius .... <div></div><hr></blockquote>Um, yeah we can =) We don't have as many ranged attacks to use at our disposal while running but we have a couple, not to mention auto attack. </span><div></div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>black_cap wrote:<div></div>I hate to say this but you wizards are coming to the ranger forum because you are unsatisfied that we are now the top DPS in the game.  Lets see for the first 10 months we were no where near top DPS.  The only reason I was invited to raid is because there either wasn't enough people or I needed it for a update.  Otherwise every DPS slot would be filled by a top DPS (wizard) and we got the short end of the stick.  So now its the other way around and most DPS classes that were on top pre LU13 are now hear complaining of what SoE did to us.  We have been nerfed to death many many times, nerfing us again isn't gonna hurt but only make us stronger. So was that far to us rangers for the first 9 months to get shafted?  Were we posting on the wizard forums on how much you need nerfed or we need brought up to par with you?  No we didn't, we took what we had and we made it happen.  We didn't go around depicting each class that could out DPS us in certain situations/raids.  I still to this day would trade my 60 ranger for a 60 wizard with the equivalent gear because I know what wizards are capable of.  We can't root, group buff or nuke like you at all.   We can't solo the nameds in Silent City/PP/instances with ease.  It takes a top ranger in top gear with top spells and poisons to do so. <div></div><p>Message Edited by black_cap on <span class="date_text">12-01-2005</span> <span class="time_text">04:11 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>here here! Although I wouldn't swap Bug for the world.</span><div></div>

[black_cap]

<span><blockquote><hr>Stormykat wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>black_cap wrote:we haven't been able to kite since LU 13 genius .... <div></div><hr></blockquote>Um, yeah we can =) We don't have as many ranged attacks to use at our disposal while running but we have a couple, not to mention auto attack. </span><div></div><hr></blockquote></span>i seriously wouldn't call that kiting, we have 2 combat arts we can do on the move plus auto attack.  Debilatating arrow (1 minute recast) at master 1 is a littler over 1k.  Storm of arrows (3 minute recast) at adept 3 is around 2k.  3k damage + auto attack isn't worth anything vs T6 mobs.  That is no where near what we used to be able to do pre LU13. <div></div>

[Feaw]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stormykat wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> black_cap wrote:<BR>we haven't been able to kite since LU 13 genius ....<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Um, yeah we can =) We don't have as many ranged attacks to use at our disposal while running but we have a couple, not to mention auto attack. <BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think its a matter of individual taste as to whether its worth kiting or not after LU 13.  One of the arts you can use can only hit from the back or flank  ( oh yeh I can kite with that ... not!) The other is the debuffer (handy but not exactly dps materal).   What you have to do is snare every time it comes up and when you get enough distance (providing your in a large enough no aggro area) stop and hit your highest, fastest casting bow art then move again ( be prepared to take a few hits before you get your distance again).   Its tricky but doable and only doable in certain circomsances.   The biggest difference for me is to make sure your using poisons and spend the extra money on a high damage bow.   I also use the offensive stance while kiting for the damage bonus proc, it helps a lot but just remember a perfict kite means you dont get hit.   =P</P> <P>note: my perspective is from a 39 ranger so if there are higher level arts that dont have the restrictions I have to deal with then great I look forward to them but I am assuming that by 39 there is a pattern witht the same restrictions repeated at higher levels with the upgrades.</P> <P>feawin is my favorite though not my highest character , taking time to enjoy the ride</P><p>Message Edited by Feawin on <span class=date_text>12-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 PM</span>

[Crychtonn]

<P>Feawin at L42 you'll get your leg shot skill.  That will help you alot in your kiting ability.  It has a 8 sec recast and and a 10 sec snare (could be off a little here).  Point is the CA refreshes before the snare fades so you can semi chain snare a mob.  Timing your high damage skills to go off right before the snare ends and following with leg shot to snare again works well, it used to at least.  I've given up on kiting ever since they changed auto bow to turn on on bow CA's.  Unless your quick enough to turn it of the auto bow shot will break your snare.  Most of the time auto bow goes off right after the leg shot so the snare insta breaks and becomes useless.  I got tired of trying to turn off auto bow everytime i fired off leg shot and have just stopped kiting.</P> <P>PS - you also need a good amount of open room to do this and it is by no means an effective way to level.  I used to do it more for the fun and challange.  Also never try and kite a caster mob.  It'll just stop and nuke the hell out of you.</P> <P> </P>

[black_cap]

Ok, well the two skills I list dont have a mob requirement and can be done on the move.  Its still not kiting! <div></div>

[hoosierdaddy]

<P>Wow, that's really impressive (especially in contrast to, say, Templars :smileyvery-happy: ). This post reminds me of a couple in the warlock forum that had actual videos showing 'locks easily soloing Fire Giants in LS. Of course, this was pre-combat update (read huge nerf to warlock singe target dmg). Let's keep this post up near the top, so the devs have a good chance of seeing it. Get the picture? The first rule of fight club is that you don't talk about fight club :smileytongue:.</P> <P> </P> <P>Kairos R'Kane</P> <P>60 Warlock/Provisioner</P> <P>Unrest/Eternal Shadows</P><p>Message Edited by hoosierdaddy on <span class=date_text>12-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:17 AM</span>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>hoosierdaddy wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>Wow, that's really impressive (especially in contrast to, say, Templars :smileyvery-happy: ). This post reminds me of a couple in the warlock forum that had actual videos showing 'locks easily soloing Fire Giants in LS. Of course, this was pre-combat update (read huge nerf to warlock singe target dmg). Let's keep this post up near the top, so the devs have a good chance of seeing it. Get the picture? The first rule of fight club is that you don't talk about fight club :smileytongue:.</p> <p>Kairos R'Kane</p> <p>60 Warlock/Provisioner</p> <p>Unrest/Eternal Shadows</p><p>Message Edited by hoosierdaddy on <span class="date_text">12-09-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:17 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>loooool - look out, we've been invaded!!</span><div></div>

[Jay]

I'd reply to this thread if I could figure out what it was about. Balance, kiting, overpowered rangers, soloing...

[Aenashi]

<DIV>this post has ADD </DIV>

[Deml]

<P>It started with someone with gear a lot better than mine talking about having some fun soloing an instance for the challenge.  It was derailed by people thinking that his actions were something all rangers could do, which is not the case.</P> <P>Leoric has my envy, at least till I remember to try and do this same thing this weekend after I get back from watching Narnia. lol</P>

[bink]

<div></div>No rangers I know go out killing higher level ^^^s to level up. It is possible, but it requires you to know how to play your ranger well, and it is costly in terms of poisons and time. It's more of a trick or a feat than anything useful, just something you can do if you really push your ranger to the limit.Most rangers I meet (around level 40) are using store bought poisons or even no poisons at all! Rarely do I see one with a decent bow, too, and often they use their ranged attacks very little and play more like assassins instead. <span><span>:smileysad:</span></span><div></div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>binkzz wrote:<div></div>No rangers I know go out killing higher level ^^^s to level up. It is possible, but it requires you to know how to play your ranger well, and it is costly in terms of poisons and time. It's more of a trick or a feat than anything useful, just something you can do if you really push your ranger to the limit.Most rangers I meet (around level 40) are using store bought poisons or even no poisons at all! Rarely do I see one with a decent bow, too, and often they use their ranged attacks very little and play more like assassins instead. <span><span>:smileysad:</span></span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Blew ALL my money on a legendary imbued bow within minutes of hitting 40.  lol, I didn't even go into town to get it - the chap that made it was a fellow Ranger (and there a propper gent) and brought it out to Zek for me. Now THAT'S service!</span><div></div>

[xemi]

<DIV>I have a 52 ranger and i have been kiting stuff in SS since 50.  I don't play much lately, but i love that i can kite.  I don't use stunned poisons and i never have.  I use High DoT poisons and if i can i get a wizard for stuns (ice comet is perfect.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I have a good wizard blasting along with me i can kill three times faster.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even with a wizard i can make better xp in a good group.  Yes, it has to be a good group to beat my kiting xp, but it is possible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think kiting is a problem, the problem is the lack of good groups.  Its a lot easier to count on myself (or one other) then it is to count on 6 ppl at the same time.  You might see a ranger jump from 52 to 58 in a week (or whatever lvl jump in whatever time), but it could just as easily be if you could have 5 ppl ready to go whenever you get home from work/school/friends.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Mentla wrote: <P><SPAN>Blew ALL my money on a legendary imbued bow within minutes of hitting 40.  lol, I didn't even go into town to get it - the chap that made it was a fellow Ranger (and there a propper gent) and brought it out to Zek for me.<BR><BR>Now THAT'S service!</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Hah! When I was waiting on my imbued ironwood longbow, I kept in touch with the highest level WW on our server for a few days as he ground towards 59, and I got a tell one night that he was at 58.9 and would be hitting 59 shortly. I grabbed my extract and ironwood, snuck into Freeport, and waited outside his TS instance until he dinged. He came out to get his recipe book, I handed him the raws, then sat and waited patiently by the door to the instance until he finished crafting. I wasn't the only one clamoring for an imbued bow (or other imbued wooden weapons), but I was definitely the biggest spaz about getting mine ASAP. First imbued ironwood bow on server by like five whole minutes. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>When I was mid 50s on my bruiser harvesting I saw a 53ish Ranger taking on the 55?^^^ Heroic Cyclops in POF in about 10-15seconds 10% PowerCost, 0% HP Cost per mob, non-stop pulling.<BR><BR>Saw a 59 Ranger solo Karmut the Conqueror in about 20seconds time (W/O Sniper Shot).<BR><BR>.......................</DIV>

[Carna]

One time in band camp...

[xandez]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:<div>When I was mid 50s on my bruiser harvesting I saw a 53ish Ranger taking on the 55?^^^ Heroic Cyclops in POF in about 10-15seconds 10% PowerCost, 0% HP Cost per mob, non-stop pulling.Saw a 59 Ranger solo Karmut the Conqueror in about 20seconds time (W/O Sniper Shot)........................</div><hr></blockquote>Bah thats nothing, i saw a wizzie yesterday SOLOING terrorantula! Oh ahd the wizzie was ONLY LVL 39!!! NERF NERF! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ++Xan

[Colossaltitan]

Not calling for a Nerf, hell I'm a bruiser and can solo anything a good ranger can.<BR>Thing is, for me to solo things, its inefficient. Rangers on the other hand......<BR><BR><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Star]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Colossaltitan wrote:<BR> <DIV>When I was mid 50s on my bruiser harvesting I saw a 53ish Ranger taking on the 55?^^^ Heroic Cyclops in POF in about 10-15seconds 10% PowerCost, 0% HP Cost per mob, non-stop pulling.<BR><BR>Saw a 59 Ranger solo Karmut the Conqueror in about 20seconds time (W/O Sniper Shot).<BR><BR>.......................</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Me thinks the tale is a wee bit too TALL

[xandez]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Colossaltitan wrote:Not calling for a Nerf, hell I'm a bruiser and can solo anything a good ranger can.Thing is, for me to solo things, its inefficient. Rangers on the other hand......<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, imo the bruisers are one of the best solo classes in this game. Ranger is not bad either. This is of course a matter of opinion. Many other classes are very nice soloers (eg. necro/conjurer, etc...). We have our own roles to fullfill, of course if we can make good DPS, we can solo nicely? But theres limits to that, which good equipment and spells naturally expand (also this mystique player skill will play an important role here). A bruiser surely can tank in a raid, can a ranger? ++Xan

[Colossaltitan]

Didn't say you could.<BR>And the "Tall Tale" is as true as what my own two eyes saw, /tell oggok.veil if you don't believe, he was the ranger doing it.

[Mouadieb]

my now 31 conjuror can solo epic ^ level 36's.  does that count for anything?  My ranger is only 24 but I can 1 shot a level 23 blue solo mob.  That said. If my ranger has to meele, it is always close and he uses 3 poisons and nas all items he can imbued.  I hardly think rangers are over powered. <div></div>

[Feaw]

<DIV>My ranger is 43 and has good gear and I cant do these things.   You cant see whats going on from the player who is doing things perspective.   Tell me how they did it and Ill believe you but dont tell me you saw someone doing something and then say you know whats going on with their hot bar.</DIV>

[Dasanhgul]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Feawin wrote:<BR> <DIV>My ranger is 43 and has good gear and I cant do these things.   You cant see whats going on from the player who is doing things perspective.   Tell me how they did it and Ill believe you but dont tell me you saw someone doing something and then say you know whats going on with their hot bar.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>In the DAoC server forums when someone used to brag about having killed someone or done something, we had a saying (much like "can I have your stuff") used for such occasions, and it seems perfect for this too...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>"pics or it didn't happen..."</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[A]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Colossaltitan wrote:<BR>Not calling for a Nerf, hell I'm a bruiser and can solo anything a good ranger can.<BR>Thing is, for me to solo things, its inefficient. Rangers on the other hand......<BR><BR><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well, imo the bruisers are one of the best solo classes in this game. Ranger is not bad either. This is of course a matter of opinion. Many other classes are very nice soloers (eg. necro/conjurer, etc...). We have our own roles to fullfill, of course if we can make good DPS, we can solo nicely? But theres limits to that, which good equipment and spells naturally expand (also this mystique player skill will play an important role here). A bruiser surely can tank in a raid, can a ranger? <BR><BR><BR>++Xan<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The ranger can be the best dps of the raid, hardly something to be looked over <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[A]

<P>20 seconds seem a bit short.</P> <P>Add 25 more seconds to make 45 seconds and I believe you.</P> <P>Most heroics mobs 55 to 60 die in a triple shot + snaring shot + precise shot + stream shot and that takes about 40 to 45 seconds.</P> <P>Heroics 50-55 takes just a stream shot( or a combination of all your others bow skills if you want to save stream to cut down time) and die in 30 seconds or less...</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ail wrote:<BR> <P>20 seconds seem a bit short.</P> <P>Add 25 more seconds to make 45 seconds and I believe you.</P> <P>Most heroics mobs 55 to 60 die in a triple shot + snaring shot + precise shot + stream shot and that takes about 40 to 45 seconds.</P> <P>Heroics 50-55 takes just a stream shot( or a combination of all your others bow skills if you want to save stream to cut down time) and die in 30 seconds or less...</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>well 45 secs maybe a bit much 30-35 secs is more like it if ya equip yer ranger with good poison (phantasmal comes to mind and adeste) at least legendary gear and most bow attacks at adept 1 preferably hihger offcourse but adept 1 would suffice ya can practically take any heroic mob down really fast!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and about kiting i love kiting when i run out of stun poison sometimes i even kite around grey mobs for fun waiting till the raid starts its practice and well fun. Its doable in a dungeon since the new pathing soe brought in try to start of with yer highest hits (not snaring shot) then when the mob closes in use foresters noose then start running a triangle with 7% faster in combat speed and the mob snared + the pathing issues you can easily kite around any more wihtout getting hit unless yer a bit unlucky with obstacles.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now to kite casters it can be done but...... Stifle poison is essential for this! If ya wanna really kite it the stifle will do its job on inc and then it just keeps proccing! ya gotta be a lil lucky for it too since stifle poison procs less then stun poison (altough it seems like that to my experience) but then again the stifle lasts longer then a stun poison!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>after ya hit 52+ kiting isnt really needed anymore but still fun to do after 55+ (SOA) it practically becomes obsolete to do but....my view is RANGER = KITING if its not possible anymore or doable anymore for me then i prolly reroll cause i love kiting more then anything else! (maybe a lil exxagerated but heck i just love kiting!)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Styxxey tha cwazy 60 ranger</DIV>

[Guy De Alsace]

Best I've done is Lord thingy in a Runnyeye instance, lvl 43^^^ named mob at 52 Ranger (dropped wood, was mad as hell). That required continuous use of Forester's Noose and kiting. The few times he closed to melee I lost a third of my hp's in one hit since avoidance seems either random or flat out doesnt seem to work at all. Was fun but the .000000001% xps and vendor trash I got from it was simply not worth the effort. Was in Blackburrow soloing the lvl 19^^^ Blightfang Broodtenders with my 23 Fury yesterday though. No way in hell my Ranger could have done that at 23rd. <div></div>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Guy De Alsace wrote:<BR>Best I've done is Lord thingy in a Runnyeye instance, lvl 43^^^ named mob at 52 Ranger (dropped wood, was mad as hell). That required continuous use of Forester's Noose and kiting. The few times he closed to melee I lost a third of my hp's in one hit since avoidance seems either random or flat out doesnt seem to work at all. Was fun but the .000000001% xps and vendor trash I got from it was simply not worth the effort. <BR><BR>Was in Blackburrow soloing the lvl 19^^^ Blightfang Broodtenders with my 23 Fury yesterday though. No way in hell my Ranger could have done that at 23rd. <BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Didnt you have a feel of accomplishment after killing that mob even tho its a lotta lvls lower then you? If not then i think kiting is not for you! </P> <P>As to your fury comment i am sure i could have soloed a 19+++ mob at lvl 23 with my ranger it all just depends on the way ya play! If at 60 i can do more stuff thena  fury can at 60 then surely i can do more as a 23 ranger then a 23 fury! </P> <P>And btw we seem to be walking the same paths cause i have a tiny fury in the make at lvl 9 currently not sure when ill be lvling him up since i am having so much fun with my ranger killing stuff i shouldnt be able too!</P> <P>Oh and yes i die a lot and i mean ALOT! by trying crazy stunts thats why i am called that cwazy Styxxey!</P> <P> </P>

[Deml]

<P>Ok, so I had to share this.  I'm not bragging, just pointing out something I thought was ironic and entertaining.</P> <P>Over the holiday weekend I was bored and decided I would finally step up to the challenge I gave myself of soloing Roost as I had seen Leoric say he had before.  Saturday was my first attempt at it.  After some issues with stun poison being resisted and way too many deaths for my tastes I managed to solo every named mob in the zone except the Scorned harpy which I was leaving up, as well as clear all of the trash mobs I wanted to in the zone.  I made a comment in my guild channel that I soloed them and didn't get a single master.  The first thing that happened was multiple people asking if I really did solo it and I told them yes.  Immediately following that I had multiple priest classes sending me tells saying that I should be nerfed because they can't solo anything and I was soloing Roost.  When I told them that was the 1st time I had ever done it and I didn't know of many other rangers that attempted/succeeded in it, they replied with "Oh, really?  well....I still think you need nerfed.  Oh, by the way, did you know that (insert our Coercer's name here) solo's that place daily?"</P> <P>I about fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.  First they were telling me that I needed nerfed then they were bragging about how a coercer solo's it daily, with no deaths.  I died 15 times on my 1st try through it btw, only 4 on my 2nd solo of the zone.  Now, before folks from other boards come here and hijack this or steal it for their ranger hate threads, keep in mind that I'm level 60 with a self buffed str/agi both between 295 and 300, before I use rings and potions.  I have all adept 3 or higher skills, use only legendary poisons and am well equipped (multiple fabled items).</P> <P>I tried the Ancient's Table on Sunday and died on the 1str group of 3 spiders due to a bad pull on my part.  Respawn put me out of the zone so I'll play with that one more later.</P> <P>Just had to share.</P>

[ridd]

I have been looking around everyhwere but can not fin the lvl 20 stun poison that was mentioned by the OP. Where can i find the "touch of the beholder" in qeynos please? I've tried the broker's and south qeynos but no luck . Thanks <div></div>

[Jay]

<P>/cheers Demlar</P> <P>Coercers are underpowered and need a boost <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>"Touch of the Beholder" and almost any other poison you see discussed on this forum is player-made by alchemists and may be available via the broker. If not, contact an alchemist directly and request it. We don't tend to mention NPC poisons much (most of us are using crafted by our late 20s) and all NPC poisons are damage only, no debuff or special effects poisons that I know of. </P>

[Raesli]

<P>lol,,, man u just found the best part f being a ranger,, we are,, always have been, and always will be the solo gods of eq... i've dabled with other toons,, but my main has always been a ranger... we can kite anyhing in this game if u just figure out the right strategy for each mob,,, 'if u can't kite it,, don't fight it"</P> <P>Haydanas</P> <P>lvl60 ranger perma</P>

[Raesli]

not able to kite since lu13??? then u should seriously consider another class... enough said

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Feawin wrote:<BR> <DIV>My ranger is 43 and has good gear and I cant do these things.   You cant see whats going on from the player who is doing things perspective.   Tell me how they did it and Ill believe you but dont tell me you saw someone doing something and then say you know whats going on with their hot bar.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Send Styxxey a tell on splitpaw and i will explain exactly how to pull off some heroic feats!</P> <P>At least if ya ask the right Questions he he</P>

[A]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demlar wrote:<BR> <P>Ok, so I had to share this.  I'm not bragging, just pointing out something I thought was ironic and entertaining.</P> <P>Over the holiday weekend I was bored and decided I would finally step up to the challenge I gave myself of soloing Roost as I had seen Leoric say he had before.  Saturday was my first attempt at it.  After some issues with stun poison being resisted and way too many deaths for my tastes I managed to solo every named mob in the zone except the Scorned harpy which I was leaving up, as well as clear all of the trash mobs I wanted to in the zone.  I made a comment in my guild channel that I soloed them and didn't get a single master.  The first thing that happened was multiple people asking if I really did solo it and I told them yes.  Immediately following that I had multiple priest classes sending me tells saying that I should be nerfed because they can't solo anything and I was soloing Roost.  When I told them that was the 1st time I had ever done it and I didn't know of many other rangers that attempted/succeeded in it, they replied with "Oh, really?  well....I still think you need nerfed.  Oh, by the way, did you know that (insert our Coercer's name here) solo's that place daily?"</P> <P>I about fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.  First they were telling me that I needed nerfed then they were bragging about how a coercer solo's it daily, with no deaths.  I died 15 times on my 1st try through it btw, only 4 on my 2nd solo of the zone.  Now, before folks from other boards come here and hijack this or steal it for their ranger hate threads, keep in mind that I'm level 60 with a self buffed str/agi both between 295 and 300, before I use rings and potions.  I have all adept 3 or higher skills, use only legendary poisons and am well equipped (multiple fabled items).</P> <P>I tried the Ancient's Table on Sunday and died on the 1str group of 3 spiders due to a bad pull on my part.  Respawn put me out of the zone so I'll play with that one more later.</P> <P>Just had to share.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yeah some roost runs I die 6 times and I have done it once without dying a single time too.</DIV> <DIV>It all depends on how well stun procs and if some of the named cast their nasty spells early in the fight when stun is not on ( once  I was feared by one of the named snake and having not cleared the whole zone I made quite a train before dying <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).</DIV> <DIV>I tried Poet's Palace once too and I can clear the second level ( although I died once to the second group of cyclops and it just takes forever to place all the statues yourself). I have yet to try the third level but I believe the scarabs would give me trouble....</DIV>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ail wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demlar wrote:<BR> <P>Ok, so I had to share this.  I'm not bragging, just pointing out something I thought was ironic and entertaining.</P> <P>Over the holiday weekend I was bored and decided I would finally step up to the challenge I gave myself of soloing Roost as I had seen Leoric say he had before.  Saturday was my first attempt at it.  After some issues with stun poison being resisted and way too many deaths for my tastes I managed to solo every named mob in the zone except the Scorned harpy which I was leaving up, as well as clear all of the trash mobs I wanted to in the zone.  I made a comment in my guild channel that I soloed them and didn't get a single master.  The first thing that happened was multiple people asking if I really did solo it and I told them yes.  Immediately following that I had multiple priest classes sending me tells saying that I should be nerfed because they can't solo anything and I was soloing Roost.  When I told them that was the 1st time I had ever done it and I didn't know of many other rangers that attempted/succeeded in it, they replied with "Oh, really?  well....I still think you need nerfed.  Oh, by the way, did you know that (insert our Coercer's name here) solo's that place daily?"</P> <P>I about fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.  First they were telling me that I needed nerfed then they were bragging about how a coercer solo's it daily, with no deaths.  I died 15 times on my 1st try through it btw, only 4 on my 2nd solo of the zone.  Now, before folks from other boards come here and hijack this or steal it for their ranger hate threads, keep in mind that I'm level 60 with a self buffed str/agi both between 295 and 300, before I use rings and potions.  I have all adept 3 or higher skills, use only legendary poisons and am well equipped (multiple fabled items).</P> <P>I tried the Ancient's Table on Sunday and died on the 1str group of 3 spiders due to a bad pull on my part.  Respawn put me out of the zone so I'll play with that one more later.</P> <P>Just had to share.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yeah some roost runs I die 6 times and I have done it once without dying a single time too.</DIV> <DIV>It all depends on how well stun procs and if some of the named cast their nasty spells early in the fight when stun is not on ( once  I was feared by one of the named snake and having not cleared the whole zone I made quite a train before dying <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).</DIV> <DIV>I tried Poet's Palace once too and I can clear the second level ( although I died once to the second group of cyclops and it just takes forever to place all the statues yourself). I have yet to try the third level but I believe the scarabs would give me trouble....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have done the scarabs solo! the only thing ya gotta do is go stealth right when a group is down so you can pick the spot ya wanna fight at! the bigger groups are the easiest to kill even tho they interupt ya more!</P> <P>PP can be done solo all the way up! There is only one mob that a ranger cant solo in PP which is the treelike creature well maybe rangers can do it but i havent figured out how to yet!</P> <P> </P>

[King Leor]

<P>Ya, doing poets is awesome fun. (god I hate placing the statues solo though). I dunno if any ranger can solo the chick of beauty thing up on 4th floor..... way hard to hit. Would think anyone who tried wouldn't get very far. Ya. coercers can solo roost, buddy of mine in my guild does too, only thing is it takes em forever as we luckily can kill 4 times as fast (if not more). What was fun though, is when we were able to solo perdition and other GX2 mobs like that (we cant now so any non ranger reading this dont get mad). Back when our stun poisons and traps worked on epics, coudl just lay trap, unload EVERY bow CA in to the mob,  than stream of arrows, (by that time stun poisons would be used up) stop attacking, let him run into trap where he is stuck for over a minute, let spells load back up and use anotherstun hit and than do the last 50% of the mobs health :0) BUT......alas..... those days are over.......</P> <P>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</P>

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<P>hey king did you try that mob yerself? its a brawler type so 360 degrees deflection! really nasty for us to hit indeed and as ya know if ya cant do damage do it ya cant kill it!</P> <P> </P>

[King Leor]

<DIV>Nahh, I wouldn't even consider trying to kill it. I know enough from killing it in groups I woudln't stand a chance. lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</DIV>