Gleaming Strike Dual-Wields, proc's and stacking

[Pleiades]

<DIV>Hello:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know this topic has been discussed before:  I found some interesting old posts on it, but I have done some testing and either I'm a statistical anomaly or something has changed...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>When dual wielding two imbued cobalt weapons the chance to proc. does not seem to double--i.e., the adornment doesn't stack.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I attacked even-con, down-arrow, single mobs (in SiCi) using only auto-attack, w/ two player-crafted, imbued cobalt weapons for one hour (pausing stopwatch between battles).  The proc-rate I observed for the whole hour was exactly what you would expect from one weapon (5% per 3sec. chance to proc. x 60sec./1min. x 60min./1hr. =  60 procs. in one hour).  My log file recorded 62 GS procs. (also of note, about 60 procs of Sanguine Feedback too).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I re-do the test with a GS imbued DW and my prismatic short-blade I see the same 60 procs. of GS in one hour and about 80 procs. of the prismatic (it has a 7% chance per 3secs.).  Those two procs. <STRONG>do</STRONG> seem to stack.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the past (search these forums going back 90 days or more) it seems the consensus was two GS procs. should stack (same as sanguine imbued on pants and shield seem to stack).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I tried to be very careful, but the numbers just don't seem to work-out.  It looks as if two GS weapons do not proc. more often (or provide a higher chance to proc.) than having only one.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding something and, if you have time, please perform a test of your own...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Pleiades</DIV> <DIV> 56 Ranger</DIV> <DIV> Dracos Argent</DIV> <DIV> Highkeep</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zutan]

That seems pretty odd to me.. I also dont know for sure that my gleaming strike proc on my dual-wield weapon has EVER proced.. but my bow gleaming strike procs quite frequently. I wonder if bow+melee dont stack either?? <div></div>

[King Leor]

<P>Your bow will proc more frequently due to higher delay. So as it seems with the above test it is kida silly to have 2 imbued cobalt weps. you can have just one and a non imbued one so you benefit from the stats and you should proc the same amount. Because gleaming strike is cast upon your self and not the wep you can proc with either weapon you are using. even if one is imbued and the other isn't. I think anywyas. possibility I could be wrong but this is the way it seems to work.</P> <P> </P> <P>Leoric</P> <P>Level 60 ranger</P>

[Pleiades]

<DIV>Leo:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not sure that it is silly--or, if it is silly, the vast majority of ppl are silly and you are in the right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am also a sixty weaponsmith.  The majority of my DW orders are are two imbueds.  I think you'll find many of those scouts who go w/ player-crafted weapons are DW'ing two imbued weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you saying that it is no surprise that two Gleaming Strike proc's do not stack?  If you are, it appears you're right...  And comes as a surprise to me and will to many others--I am certain of that fact.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, you might find it interesting to do a search of these forums on this topic going back 90+ days.  It seems many posters noted that the two proc's used to stack.  I wonder if they are all wrong, <EM>or if there is a change</EM>.  I even found a discussion about shield and leg-slot armour (both have sanguine imbued) proc's stacking...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ple</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[xandez]

<div></div>I think that the overall % chance when equipping 2x DW:s is somewhat the same as if you were equipping a 2-hander or 1-hander... This has been disgussed elsewhere  in these forums, but iirc, its like that... Why? Because they dont want any weapons to be _better_ than others. <font color="#ff9900">*EDIT*</font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900">In your case, the actual proc chance is 2.1/3 x 5 = 3.5%  / weapon </font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900">Hence, if you hit 1000 times with weapon A and 1000 times with weapon B, you get 35 procs with weapon A and 35 procs with weapon B</font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900">This is 70 procs out of 2000 hits --> 3.5% overall with 2x weps</font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900">So in parses its imho correct that you see 2x DW:s proccing with same % than what 1 would proc? or am i completely off here? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><font color="#ff9900"> </font> ++Xan <div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>10-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 PM</span>

[Dasanhgul]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR>I think that the overall % chance when equipping 2x DW:s is somewhat the same as if you were equipping a 2-hander or 1-hander...<BR><BR>This has been disgussed elsewhere  in these forums, but iirc, its like that... Why? Because they dont want any weapons to be _better_ than others.<BR><BR><BR>++Xan<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually I remember reading a few posts in the Monk forums, where tests and many logs were conducted to test procs from DW and 2H and the conclusion they arrived at was that 2H was very far ahead in shear amount of procs. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I found it weird at the time, but the logs and data was there to prove it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dasanhgul wrote:Actually I remember reading a few posts in the Monk forums, where tests and many logs were conducted to test procs from DW and 2H and the conclusion they arrived at was that 2H was very far ahead in shear amount of procs. <div> </div> <div>I found it weird at the time, but the logs and data was there to prove it.</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Yes youre right... this is because the proc % for each weapon is _normalized_ with 3.0s delay... The formula was something like (Your weps delay / 3.0s x the proc chance of your wep --> actual % proc chance of your wep) This makes the SLOW 2-handers superior in combat situations since when spamming CA:s you will _miss_ hits when using fast DW:s... (resuling in a smaller actual proc % than it could) Thats why leafblades (2.1s delay) are often used too... But in PURE melee, the % chance is EQUAL to all... Or, maybe DW:s are even better then... maybe... heh <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> In the end, i have came to the conclusion that it really doesnt matter that much which wep you use... Its your bow / poisons / stances which make the difference anyway  <span>:smileywink: <font color="#ff9900">*EDIT*</font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900">but the OP might be on right track here that same kind of procs do NOT stack... *sigh*</font><font color="#ff9900"> </font><font color="#ff9900">(would make sence since they altered even that the same procs from eq:s dont stack anymore... didnt they?)</font> ++Xan </span><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>10-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:52 PM</span>

[Pleiades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN>...<BR><FONT color=#ff9900>*EDIT*</FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900>but the OP might be on right track here that same kind of procs do NOT stack... *sigh*</FONT><FONT color=#ff9900><BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900>(would make sence since they altered even that the same procs from eq:s dont stack anymore... didnt they?)</FONT><BR></SPAN>...<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Xan:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Exactly, I was never counting the number of hits.  I was just swinging at mobs I have a nearly 1oo% chance to hit and recording time and total procs (i.e. looking at procs per time).  This normalizes the test back to just a 5% chance per every three seconds to proc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I repeated with a friend and his pally w/ a 2H and 1H.  My results indicate that a 2H procs exactly the same in one hour as a 1H AND as a single DW <STRONG>or two DW imbueds</STRONG>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is, I cannot find any evidence at all that having a second Tier 6, DW imbued increase the chance of proc'ing at all over have just one imbued (as Leo had suggested earlier).  In my tests they appear to NOT stack.  More simply, I can see no benfit to having an imbument on more than one DW weapon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Frankly, as a DW'r and a Weaponsmith, I find this to be disappointing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ple</DIV>

[Boramyr]

Yeah, I figured this out long ago, two of the same proc on Dual Weilds do not stack.  And the procs can be when either weapon swings.  Ironically also melee procs affect bow shots, but again two gleaming strikes do not stack.  If you look closely and wield a Peircing Imbued and a slashing non imbued you will see the gleaming strike right after a slash from time to time.  Now heres the way around it that a friend of mine discovered by accident.  If you make a weapon that is not Pristine, but one teir below it.  I has the exact same stats as pristine, however the Imbue is a Paley Gleaming Strike that does about %10 less damage, but is a different proc and stacks.  <div></div>

[Pleiades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Boramyr wrote:<BR>...Now heres the way around it that a friend of mine discovered by accident.  If you make a weapon that is not Pristine, but one teir below it.  I has the exact same stats as pristine, however the Imbue is a Paley Gleaming Strike that does about %10 less damage, but is a different proc and stacks.  <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Dam, Bor!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's hot--excellent idea you guys have there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ple</DIV>

[draconetti]

as always, i can trust my fellow rangers to bring up an excellent topic just as i'm looking for the info <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> i was considering going for one cobalt imbued and one non-imbued cobalt weapon as i don't like the idea of my main stats getting worse with next tier weaponary, nor did i want to drop gleaming strike from my melle arsenal, the ironwood bow was imbued without hesitation of course! just one question on the single imbued DW parsing, although i don't think its answerable without a severe headache! basically, if i imbue a slow pierce weapon, say a sai at 1.7, and equip a spatha in the offhand (1.2), will i get procs with a % rate of the imbued weapon or somewhere in between if the proc is from the wielder? that gives me a headache thinking about it... either way, bored of looking at my old ebon crescent axe... time for a change <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[Pleiades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> draconetti wrote:<BR>...<BR>just one question on the single imbued DW parsing, although i don't think its answerable without a severe headache!<BR>basically, if i imbue a slow pierce weapon, say a sai at 1.7, and equip a spatha in the offhand (1.2), will i get procs with a % rate of the imbued weapon or somewhere in between if the proc is from the wielder?<BR>... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Drac:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From the little bit of testing I described earlier (and some additional I've done):  As long as any equipped weapon has a proc. all weapons seem to have a chance to fire that proc..  Moreover, the gleaming strike proc. cannot be effectively applied to a character more than once (this fact may be true of other procs. too).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As has been discussed many times, all listed chances to proc. are normalised to a 3sec. base weapon delay.  That means if the weapon is slower than 3secs. the chance to proc <EM>per hit</EM> will be proportionally higher.  However, if the weapons' delay is shorter than 3 secs. there will be proportionally less chance to proc. <EM>per hit.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>More to the point:  <EM>If you parse your logs for procs., gleaming strike, for example, will proc. about once per minute</EM> (5% chance per 3secs.) <EM>of continuous combat irrespective of the weapon delay </EM>(remember to pause your stopwatch when not in combat or stunned, etc. and watch for excessive misses).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>The key point is that having two imbued weapons with the <STRONG>same proc.</STRONG> seems to grant <STRONG>no advantage</STRONG> over having one.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This finding was a surprise to me, but hey whadda I know? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>-Pleiades</DIV> <DIV> Dracos Argent</DIV> <DIV> 57 Ranger</DIV> <DIV> 60 Weaponsmith</DIV> <DIV> Highkeep</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Pleiades on <span class=date_text>11-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:13 AM</span>

[Raahl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Pleiades wrote:</P> <P>As long as any equipped weapon has a proc. all weapons seem to have a chance to fire that proc.. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>From what I have seen this is false.</P> <P>I have a normal shortsword and an imbued dagger.  I have a log that has data back to Oct. 25th.  Nowhere in the log does my Gleaming Strike proc after I did slashing damage.   When Gleaming Strike was in the log, it followed an attack that did piercing damage.</P>

[leafnin]

<P>It's impossible to prove this one way or another with the tools at hand to be honest.  All you see when the imbuement kicks in is  Gleaming Strike..not Gleam Strike of Pristine imbued Cobalt Sai , etc.  Numbers don't help you with telling WHAT actually proced and until they do it's pretty much each person's decision do you want more stats or do you want to take a chance on an addtional proc?  </P> <P> </P> <P>Falcon</P> <P>59 Ranger</P> <P>Kithicor  </P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> leafnin wrote:<BR> <P>It's impossible to prove this one way or another with the tools at hand to be honest.  All you see when the imbuement kicks in is  Gleaming Strike..not Gleam Strike of Pristine imbued Cobalt Sai , etc.  Numbers don't help you with telling WHAT actually proced and until they do it's pretty much each person's decision do you want more stats or do you want to take a chance on an addtional proc? </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Right, but Raahl's test looks valid - you can tell what weapon is proc'ing by the type of damage preceding the Gleaming Strike. As long as you're DW'ing two a slasher and a piercer, that seems accurate to me.</DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Pleiades wrote: <P>From the little bit of testing I described earlier (and some additional I've done):  <FONT color=#ffff33>As long as any equipped weapon has a proc. all weapons seem to have a chance to fire that proc.. </FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I don't think that's true, outside quested or HQ weapons like SSoY, PGT, or Prismatics. Crafted imbued weapons won't fire off the Gleaming Strike unless that weapon actually lands a successful hit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but everything we've tested so far seems to bolster this conclusion.</DIV>

[leafnin]

<DIV>Problem is that's off visual/logs only...not to discredit his efforts since visual/logs is really all we have, but until the procs are linked to weapons it's just a educated/researched assumption/Guess  (pick which least offends  : D ).  I personally went with one imbued type per damage type (slash/pierce).  The proc rate is already high enough with the imbued bow and Quick Shot that I'd rather have the stats myself.    </DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> leafnin wrote:<BR> <DIV>Problem is that's off visual/logs only...not to discredit his efforts since visual/logs is really all we have, but until the procs are linked to weapons it's just a educated/researched assumption/Guess  (pick which least offends  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ).    </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm... I know what you mean, I guess I don't see this is all that mysterious. Even though it doesn't specify the source of the proc in the combat log, I think it's a more than safe assumption that the damage immediately preceding the proc caused that proc. Especially when you only have one imbued DW in melee. <BR>

[leafnin]

<DIV>Hehe, yeah I personally don't see the point of having two of the same procs like that when you can slide that out for say...the PGT proc or more stats <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  I go with what I KNOW works and usually let others discuss stuff like this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Falcon</DIV> <DIV>59 Ranger</DIV> <DIV>Kithicor</DIV>

[Raahl]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> leafnin wrote:<BR> <DIV>Problem is that's off visual/logs only...not to discredit his efforts since visual/logs is really all we have, but until the procs are linked to weapons it's just a educated/researched assumption/Guess  (pick which least offends  : D ).  I personally went with one imbued type per damage type (slash/pierce).  The proc rate is already high enough with the imbued bow and Quick Shot that I'd rather have the stats myself.    </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>Imbue procs are linked to the weapon.   When I see a gleaming proc it either comes after a piercing melee attack or a bow attack.  (Dagger and Bow imbued).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now I'm not sure how the heritage weapons proc.  Is this what you are talking about?</DIV>

[leafnin]

<P>Oh I was meaning you get the generic 'Gleaming Strike'  tag for damage and not  'Ironwood Bow's Gleaming Strike'.   The Heritage, Fable, and Prismatic types are labeled differently and you can tell 100% what weapon procced.  With Imbued you have to use your eyes or make a analytical guess based of logs (Slashing damage/piercing damage).   You can make a good case for what did it, but again nothings 100% <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  </P> <P>    I agree the enchantment is linked to the weapon and not the person.  Problem is I don't know if it fires the proc only on the mainhand or just after your round of combat  (I need to look at my logs  again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. With most DW weapons firing procs at such a slow rate it's hard to get that second in round proc.  I DO know I can get PGT and Gleaming to proc in same round so that's why I'm not 100% sure you can't proc on two procable melee weapons.  Maybe it counts that one proc for both weapons if they have the same imbuement ?? Just a thought. </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Pleiades]

<DIV>I think many are missing the fundamental veracity of what I'm saying:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you fight, for sixty minutes with one DW GS imbued and one DW non-imbued you will see about 60 procs (which is exactly what the weapon promises:  5% per 3secs. nets about one proc. per minute on average).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The tools are there to verify this fact.  Logs and parsers are all that are required.  If a proc. goes off, it is absolutely logged (do not rely on animations).  The only possibility of error is the stop-watch; be careful to pause the timer when not fighting and be careful of too many misses.  The numbers work out almost exactly, there was no problem in the test.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you then switch to two GS imbued DW's and repeat the test for one hour you, again, see about 60 procs.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>That is, the second weapon does not contribute to the number or size of the procs. done over even long periods of time, like an hour for example.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is an easy test to do, I suggest you do it.  The log results are there for you to see.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ple</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">!00% agree with Pleiades.  That is exactly what I have found. And by the way, don't let his low post count mislead you.  Pleiades is a very well respected level 60 weaponsmith on my server. Also Ple, I need to contact you in-game regarding having a couple weapons made. </font><div></div>

[Raahl]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pleiades wrote:<BR> <DIV>I think many are missing the fundamental veracity of what I'm saying:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you fight, for sixty minutes with one DW GS imbued and one DW non-imbued you will see about 60 procs (which is exactly what the weapon promises:  5% per 3secs. nets about one proc. per minute on average).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The tools are there to verify this fact.  Logs and parsers are all that are required.  If a proc. goes off, it is absolutely logged (do not rely on animations).  The only possibility of error is the stop-watch; be careful to pause the timer when not fighting and be careful of too many misses.  The numbers work out almost exactly, there was no problem in the test.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you then switch to two GS imbued DW's and repeat the test for one hour you, again, see about 60 procs. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>That is, the second weapon does not contribute to the number or size of the procs. done over even long periods of time, like an hour for example.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is an easy test to do, I suggest you do it.  The log results are there for you to see.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ple</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>This could be.   Unfortunately I haven't had a 2nd imbued melee weapon since Level 29.  And I have no logs from then.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zholain wrote:<BR><FONT size=2>And by the way, don't let his low post count mislead you.  Pleiades is a very well respected level 60 weaponsmith on my server.<BR><BR></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>By the same token, don't let my high post count mislead you. I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, and I'm not well-respected on any servers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">ROFL...Kae, that could not be further from the truth. </font><div></div>

[Jay]

<DIV>Heh, but it made you laugh, didn't it?  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just adding a bit of levity around here, the gloom and doom over rumors and half-truths needs to be combatted. I'm more than willing to make a fool of myself for the amusement of the masses. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV>

[~Mercu]

<DIV>What is this PGT people keep mentioning?  Plaley Gleaming sTrike?</DIV> <DIV>So this does stack and you'll receive more then 60 procs in a one hour period?</DIV>

[Prandtl]

<P>PGT is the Polished Granite Tomahawk. Reward fro the heritage quest "an axe from the past"</P> <P>has a STR buff, a ward, and i forget what else.</P>

[Zholain]

<span><blockquote><hr><font size="2">Prandtl wrote: </font> <p><font size="2">PGT is the Polished Granite Tomahawk. Reward fro the heritage quest "an axe from the past"</font></p> <p><font color="#ffff00" size="2">has a STR buff, a ward, and i forget what else.</font></p><hr></blockquote><font size="2">A power proc...instantly regens like 200 power or something. </font></span><div></div>

[~Mercu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Prandtl wrote:<BR> <P>PGT is the Polished Granite Tomahawk. Reward fro the heritage quest "an axe from the past"</P> <P>has a STR buff, a ward, and i forget what else.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>wow, ok... I guess I better start mining in TS again. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Pleiades]

<P><STRONG><EM>/update!</EM></STRONG></P> <P>This is a snippet from Live Update 16b notes (in testing atm).  It may change the validity of the previous discussion (and sounds like good news!):</P> <P></P> <HR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Items ***<BR></FONT></STRONG>- Dual-wield weapons should now trigger their proc effects more frequently.<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Check here more more info:  <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=85" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=85</A></P> <P>-Ple<BR> 59 Ranger<BR> 60 Weaponsmith<BR> Dracos Argent<BR> Highkeep</P>