Stuck with the whole stealth/attack idea

[Buggrit]

<DIV>ok so im lvl 18 i've got Stalk now which is like 1 sec cast stealth 30 sec recast and i realise i need to use it only when fighting but im stuck on how to use it i mean it sometimes works but it sometimes doesn't</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>this what i usually do in a group</DIV> <DIV>Stealth/ shadow blade</DIV> <DIV>Back shot</DIV> <DIV>Open Shot</DIV> <DIV>Stalk</DIV> <DIV>Ellas rentless ambush</DIV> <DIV>ok now sometimes it doesn't always work i hit stalk and i hit again to fast to use ella's or sometimes i use shadow blade with it</DIV> <DIV>do i back away hit stalk turn attack off and then do move or while im casting stalk hit shadow blade/ellas so it casts soon as stalk is finished any tips would be great please</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i love my Predator ive soloed Darkpaw fanglord 3 times so far and he was orange ^^ to me <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Kiting rules!!</DIV><p>Message Edited by Buggrit on <span class=date_text>05-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:08 AM</span>

[Axxon]

<P>I have my stealth attacks on hotkeys.  Assuming you are currently in combat mode, you can use different hotkeys in series to do all of your stealth based attacks in sequence.  The hotekey looks like this:</P> <P>; : toggleautoattack</P> <P>; : useability [put stealth name here exactly as its written]</P> <P>; : useability [put attack name here]</P> <P>I am not sure if that is the exact command for the toggleautoattack thing b/c its been a while since I looked at the hotleys.  That hotkey will very quickly take you out of combat so you don't waste the stealth, out you in stealth mode and then execute the stealth based attack.  After I do them all, the archery combat arts are mostly refreshed so i drop back and hit those, or just melee if I think I am about to pull aggro.  </P> <DIV>Good Luck</DIV>

[Buggrit]

<P>so basically make a macro for it ?<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>thanks i'll try it tonight i was getting fed up of it sometimes working and it sometimes not felt like i was failing my group :smileysad:</P>

[JaggNomr]

<P>I use the backattack-into stealth...............while in the air jumping i hit the " ` " key (in the top left of main keyboard and turn the attack off). As soon as I land I hit the seocnd back attack....cycle thru a few other attacks and then repeat the process. I didn't figure this out until into my 20's and I didn't really master it until close to my 30's. Once you get it down, it's cake. </P> <P>If your like me, eventually you will get frusterated, when you group with a fellow ranger and he never vanishes into that sneak mode...your heart kinda goes out to them for not knowing that they could be so much more effective.</P>

[Axxon]

We had another Ranger come with our guild group to do Octogorgon recently.  When asked why she wasn't using any ranged attacks, she said "I don't have a very high ranged skill so I never use it."  :smileysurprised:  I tried to talk to her about it but she was just not interested in hearing about those silly ranged CAs.   Now let's see....where did I put that player list.....

[-vali]

in a group - before you launch your shadowblade (or crippling blade, etc), you should make sure your debuffs are active. The quicker they go up, the quicker the group can start benefitting from them (ie. like corner, crippling shot, leaping cut - dot's are best when they have time to operate) Once you got your debuffs up, then lay into the mob with your nukes, the tank should have had enough time to establish aggro by now. Stalk is perfect for grabbing stealth right before a shadowblade. Use your nukes in between refreshing your debuffs, and you'll do great! ;-D

[Buggrit]

wow never used her range attacks i pity her as soon as idinged 13 i brought a bow and 4 stacks of tin arrows and maxxed my skill now my Ranged is ct maxxed for my lvl <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Sotaudi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Buggrit wrote:<BR> <DIV>ok so im lvl 18 i've got Stalk now which is like 1 sec cast stealth 30 sec recast and i realise i need to use it only when fighting but im stuck on how to use it i mean it sometimes works but it sometimes doesn't</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>this what i usually do in a group</DIV> <DIV>Stealth/ shadow blade</DIV> <DIV>Back shot</DIV> <DIV>Open Shot</DIV> <DIV>Stalk</DIV> <DIV>Ellas rentless ambush</DIV> <DIV>ok now sometimes it doesn't always work i hit stalk and i hit again to fast to use ella's or sometimes i use shadow blade with it</DIV> <DIV>do i back away hit stalk turn attack off and then do move or while im casting stalk hit shadow blade/ellas so it casts soon as stalk is finished any tips would be great please</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i love my Predator ive soloed Darkpaw fanglord 3 times so far and he was orange ^^ to me <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Kiting rules!!</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Buggrit on <SPAN class=date_text>05-23-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:08 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Macros can help, but they are not a cure all.  There are a few things to know.</P> <P>1.  If you do not get autoattack of quickly enough, your own attack will break your stealth.  This is where a macro is handy.  But if you manually turn off autoattack before going into Stalk or get it off before Stalk finishes casting, this will work as well.  You can turn it off with the melee attack icon from your Abilities tab, or hit the ' key  (the one with ~).  To be safest, turn it off before hitting Stalk (or Cheap Shot in a solo situation).  If you go with a macro, /toggleautoattack is not the best command to use, because if you are not currently autoattacking, it will turn it on instead of turn it off.  The better command to use is:    /autoattack 0.    This will turn off autoattack rather than toggling it.</P> <P>2.  In addition to Stalk breaking if you continue to attack, any attack against you will break the stealth.  While Stalk has an aggro reducing component to it, if the critter is really mad at you and Stalk cannot reduce aggro enough to get its attention off of you, the critter will almost certainly hit you before you can get your attack off.  That will break your stealth.  Thus, if the critter is targeting you, try using Evade prior to Stalk to get an extra bit of aggro reduction before doing Stalk.</P> <P>3.  Hostile area attacks will also break your stalk.  A caster's area attacks are not necessarily limited by facing, but melee area attacks generally only affect those in front of the attacker.  Thus, even though it is not a 100% guarantee, make sure you are behind the target before you go into stealth or a melee area attack may break your stealth even if you are not the main target.</P> <P>4.  When fighting a group of critters, even if you are not the focus of attention of the group, there will be times if sufficient aggro has not been established by the tank, even if you are targeting the tank's target, other members of the target group will notice you going into stealth and attack you to keep you from using your higher damage shots.  Other than waiting for the tank to establish enough aggro, there is not much you can do about this.</P> <P>The bottom line is that you can effectively use Stalk or other stealth techniques in a group fight if you are not the focus of any of the target critters.  Make sure you get autoattack turned off in time and make sure that you let the tank establish some aggro first and that you get behind the target, and there will only be a few occassions where your stealth will be broken.</P> <P>Even at level 32, I still have Sneak on my hot bar for an extra way to get into stealth during a long fight.  Even though critters at this level can see through Sneak's level of stealth, in a fight where I am behind the target and nothing is focusing on me, it can still be used to get into stealth while Shrouded Strike, Shadow (stalk's upgrade), or Hunt are recharging.</P><p>Message Edited by Sotaudi on <span class=date_text>05-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:09 PM</span>

[Jay]

<DIV>Nice, informative as ever, Sotaudi.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it hasn't already been mentioned, I believe a proc from a DoT attack on you can break stealth as well, even if you aren't the focus of attention or aren't being attacked. I'm usually into and out of stealth so fast that this is pretty uncommon (the hostile AOE one is much more frequent), but it's something else to be aware of.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Sotaudi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nice, informative as ever, Sotaudi.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it hasn't already been mentioned, I believe a proc from a DoT attack on you can break stealth as well, even if you aren't the focus of attention or aren't being attacked. I'm usually into and out of stealth so fast that this is pretty uncommon (the hostile AOE one is much more frequent), but it's something else to be aware of.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/bow - Thanks for the kind words.</P> <P>Are you thinking about your DoTs on the target or DoTs on you?  In a group situation, if I am behind a target and the tank has aggro, I can frequently hit with every stealthed attack I have.  That includes using both Hunt and Sneak to get into stealth, both of which have 3 second cast times.  Given that a lot of DoTs work on a 4 second cycle (most, if not all, poisons are on a 4 second DoT cycle, I believe), there would be little chance to get off a stealth attack using Hunt or Sneak if DoTs I put on on something could break my stealth.  If I got hit with a DoT, however, I could see that breaking my stealth prematurely.</P> <P> </P>

[Buggrit]

<DIV>:smileysurprised: i can turn attack off on stalk i thought it wouldn't work because you have to target the mob to use stalk so i thought it put u in attack mode soon as its cast cool if it does :smileyhappy: i didn't get to try it last night as i got home late and i couldn't find a group after an hour and a half of lookng ended up soloing  again :smileysad: oh well its still fun just uses alot of arrows</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>also quick question for the PGT heritage when i go to do it does it require a Rare to do i heard Fir is needed?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on the brightside i soloesd Darkpaw fanglord again 3 times and went from 4% to like 38% so possibly i could solo him and ding 19 just by killing him :smileyvery-happy:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Buggrit on <span class=date_text>05-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 AM</span>

[jarlaxle8]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Buggrit wrote:<BR> <DIV>:smileysurprised: i can turn attack off on stalk i thought it wouldn't work because you have to target the mob to use stalk so i thought it put u in attack mode soon as its cast cool if it does :smileyhappy: </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>yep, you can turn it off, and have to :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>but here another tip: at lvl 18 (i think) you get the CA 'shrouded strike'. it's a back/flanking attack like 'sneak attack' (it's the upgrade actually), but it also has the effect of putting you into stealth. quite good for follow up with a stealth attack. the bad thing about it: it turns autoattack on. so you have to FIRST start 'shrouded strike' and WHILE it casts turn off autoattack. your timing has to be good, because if you turn off too late, you may hit target and stealth is gone. a macro would probably do the trick as well.</P> <P>as for that: wouldn't it be just more usefull to make this CA that it will not turn on autoattack? no sense in having it stealth you when you jump right out of stealth because you start smacking around like some unprofessional assassin who's too eager :smileyvery-happy: what do my fellow rangers say? and where should i post, if you think it's a reasonable change to ask for?</P> <P> </P> <P>---------------------------<BR>Ryilan<BR>Wood Elf Ranger 24<BR>Woodworker 20<BR>Riverwind Alliance<BR>Runnyeye<BR>---------------------------</P>

[Buggrit]

<DIV>Shrouded Strike is lvl 19 i believe hopefully i'll ding 19 tonight or i might spend the time trying to farm Rares in TS on my main ready for when i ding lvl 20 and become a Ranger 2 steel weps and a fir bow would help alot but its gonna be an awful lot of farming :smileysad:</DIV>

[Teksun]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Buggrit wrote:<div></div><div> </div><div>also quick question for the PGT heritage when i go to do it does it require a Rare to do i heard Fir is needed?</div><div><hr> </div>NO!!! I just did this Sunday. I used my lone fir that I harvested (my first and only rare), made the staff, went to the kiln, and it requires an ASH!!! You will need a sparkling flower though, but those are not that rare....</blockquote></span><div></div>

[Jay]

<P><FONT size=2>Oh no... Teksun... you poor guy. They changed the rare requirements for many of those heritages a while ago, maybe a month or so. I think the Manastone one was another - used to require a HQ pelt, now requires a Glimmering Tooth. <chuckles nefariously></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I assume you're already done with this, but if you need a Sparkling Flower, send me a tell. I think I still have one or two sitting in my bank somewhere, and I'd be happy to hand it over if you need it to complete your PGT. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Btw, I saw you by the Steppes tower a while back, but you seemed to be AFK.. or perhaps you didn't recognize me with whiskers and a tail. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></P>

[Pil]

Another solo trick as you move up in levels. Its very hard to actually use Cheap-shot and then jump behind the mob, hit Stalk/Shadow and then hit the big bomb backstab of your choice in the 3 seconds you get before the mob wakes up (and that assumes that none of the autoattack issues listed above break the stun). I have had a good deal of success using Stalk/Shadow followed by the quicker ShadowFlame/Raven's Embers attack, which does not require you to be behind the target.  It does not require the position, meaning that I can get it off more reliably than the CripplingBlade style big-backstab.  If you can do the big bomb reliably, then more power too you, but if you find yourself failing that move a lot (costing power and stretching the fight out, neither good for the health), try that other combo. Another idea is to you hit the Stun, then run past the mob, keep running, and when the distance opens a bit, hit Triple Shot, which does not require you to face the target.  This is good for a large damage hit, and is not quite Kiting in the classic sense. <div></div>

[Teksun]

Thanks Kaeros, but I had a few of those in the bank <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I actually get those a lot (I don't really consider tham rares) I must have been afk that day, I look forward to seeing you in game <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Great minds and all that... LOL <div></div>

[Jay]

<DIV>If I use the stun attack and have my Sniping Shot (Backshot line) open, I'll usually use the stun to try and get that off instead of the Triple Shot. I can Impede and then back off and fire Triple on the run, but Sniping requires a position and is a stationary CA only. It's tough to time it right, but it's possible and it's a great opener to a bit more kiting given that Sniping Shot temporarily reduces the target's movement speed.</DIV>

[Kyriel]

personally i use esc key to toggle out of attack to use shrouded strike, well its upgrade anyways forgot its name :p makes me feel like i am really doing something.

[Flust]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV>If I use the stun attack and have my Sniping Shot (Backshot line) open, I'll usually use the stun to try and get that off instead of the Triple Shot. I can Impede and then back off and fire Triple on the run, but Sniping requires a position and is a stationary CA only. It's tough to time it right, but it's possible and it's a great opener to a bit more kiting given that Sniping Shot temporarily reduces the target's movement speed.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That gets a bit easier later.  Culling the Herd (sniping shot upgrade) is usable on the run.   Its nice being able to stun, jump run hit CtH and then go straight into Triple.  Also, very handy when doing a duo kite with another ranger.  Just switch off aggros and you can both get in CtHs.

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Fluster wrote: <P>That gets a bit easier later.  <FONT color=#ffff33>Culling the Herd (sniping shot upgrade) is usable on the run.</FONT>   Its nice being able to stun, jump run hit CtH and then go straight into Triple.  Also, very handy when doing a duo kite with another ranger.  Just switch off aggros and you can both get in CtHs.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Useable on the run?!? Woot!! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was thrilled when Crippling Shot conferred that advantage over Wounding Arrow... back shot while running is gonna be even better! Thanks for the info, I can't wait.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Sotaudi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pilar wrote:<BR>Another solo trick as you move up in levels.<BR><BR>Its very hard to actually use Cheap-shot and then jump behind the mob, hit Stalk/Shadow and then hit the big bomb backstab of your choice in the 3 seconds you get before the mob wakes up (and that assumes that none of the autoattack issues listed above break the stun).<BR><BR>I have had a good deal of success using Stalk/Shadow followed by the quicker ShadowFlame/Raven's Embers attack, which does not require you to be behind the target.  It does not require the position, meaning that I can get it off more reliably than the CripplingBlade style big-backstab. <BR><BR>If you can do the big bomb reliably, then more power too you, but if you find yourself failing that move a lot (costing power and stretching the fight out, neither good for the health), try that other combo.<BR><BR>Another idea is to you hit the Stun, then run past the mob, keep running, and when the distance opens a bit, hit Triple Shot, which does not require you to face the target.  This is good for a large damage hit, and is not quite Kiting in the classic sense.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You make a good point, but I would point out a couple of things.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First, Triple Shot does not require position.  Also, the distance at which you have to move from melee range to be able to fire a ranged shot is not all that great.  And Triple Shot can be fired on the move.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All of that means I do not need to "waste" Cheap Shot's stun to use Triple Shot.  If I am fighting a battle and Triple Shot becomes available again (because I have almost certainly used it as part of my opening volley), I can simply toss a snare (e.g., Impede), and quickly start backing up and queue Triple Shot and keep backing up until it fires.  The snare will slow them sufficiently to allow me to open up the few feet of distance I need to allow for ranged shots.  For that matter, the snare is not even required.  Since the difference between toe-to-toe melee range and the minimum range to fire a ranged shot are so close, if I just quickly back up, the mob usually cannot react quick enough to start following me in time to stay under the minimum distance for a ranged attack.  So I can just suddenly back up and queue Triple Shot.  If I get the target too close message, I can then throw the snare to slow them down before queuing Triple Fire again.  The same holds true for Flaming Shot (Open Shot's upgrade) or any shot that allows you to move while it fires and does not require position.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the other hand, if you are going to use Cheap Shot to stun them so you can get off a ranged attack from behind, you may as well use it for Sniping Shot (or Backshot, the shot it upgrades) which does a lot of damage in a single shot but requires position and requires that you be still while the shot fires.</DIV>

[Flust]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sotaudi wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pilar wrote:<BR>Another solo trick as you move up in levels.<BR><BR>Its very hard to actually use Cheap-shot and then jump behind the mob, hit Stalk/Shadow and then hit the big bomb backstab of your choice in the 3 seconds you get before the mob wakes up (and that assumes that none of the autoattack issues listed above break the stun).<BR><BR>I have had a good deal of success using Stalk/Shadow followed by the quicker ShadowFlame/Raven's Embers attack, which does not require you to be behind the target.  It does not require the position, meaning that I can get it off more reliably than the CripplingBlade style big-backstab. <BR><BR>If you can do the big bomb reliably, then more power too you, but if you find yourself failing that move a lot (costing power and stretching the fight out, neither good for the health), try that other combo.<BR><BR>Another idea is to you hit the Stun, then run past the mob, keep running, and when the distance opens a bit, hit Triple Shot, which does not require you to face the target.  This is good for a large damage hit, and is not quite Kiting in the classic sense.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You make a good point, but I would point out a couple of things.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First, Triple Shot does not require position.  Also, the distance at which you have to move from melee range to be able to fire a ranged shot is not all that great.  And Triple Shot can be fired on the move.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All of that means I do not need to "waste" Cheap Shot's stun to use Triple Shot.  If I am fighting a battle and Triple Shot becomes available again (because I have almost certainly used it as part of my opening volley), I can simply toss a snare (e.g., Impede), and quickly start backing up and queue Triple Shot and keep backing up until it fires.  The snare will slow them sufficiently to allow me to open up the few feet of distance I need to allow for ranged shots.  For that matter, the snare is not even required.  Since the difference between toe-to-toe melee range and the minimum range to fire a ranged shot are so close, if I just quickly back up, the mob usually cannot react quick enough to start following me in time to stay under the minimum distance for a ranged attack.  So I can just suddenly back up and queue Triple Shot.  If I get the target too close message, I can then throw the snare to slow them down before queuing Triple Fire again.  The same holds true for Flaming Shot (Open Shot's upgrade) or any shot that allows you to move while it fires and does not require position.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the other hand, if you are going to use Cheap Shot to stun them so you can get off a ranged attack from behind, you may as well use it for Sniping Shot (or Backshot, the shot it upgrades) which does a lot of damage in a single shot but requires position and requires that you be still while the shot fires.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>To use Triple or Sharp Shot, you don't even have to break out the snare.   You can still get them off, maybe a 1 sec later than if you used snare, with just running.

[Rian18]

<DIV>I pretty much find I never need more then two ways to go in stealth to cycle through my attacks.  Using shadow and pouncing attack is all I need as long as I can start the fight in stealth.</DIV> <DIV><BR>My common attack cycle goes something like this...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tank pulls I count to 3....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hidden shot</DIV> <DIV>Start HO</DIV> <DIV>Pickoff</DIV> <DIV>Leaping Cut</DIV> <DIV>Lunging Thrust <BR>Pouncing attack</DIV> <DIV>Raven ember (at this point some damage has been done and almost all debuff are in except for crippling arrow)</DIV> <DIV>Now I hit Evade to lessen some aggro</DIV> <DIV>Then I go range</DIV> <DIV>Crippling Arrow</DIV> <DIV>Sniping shot</DIV> <DIV>Back to melee</DIV> <DIV>Shadow (important here I found if I chain Triple shot after sniping I pull aggro almost everytime)</DIV> <DIV>Shadowlunge</DIV> <DIV>Then I cycle through the debuffs that are down again and fall to ranged for my Triplefire/miracle shot/Flameshot combo...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Obviously to get off all those skills you need a ^^ mob.  On shorter fights I tend to stick with Self Ho's debuff's and our 10 second backstab + raven ember combo before falling into ranged.  If its alive after the ranged flurry I'll get off a shadowlunge.</DIV> <DIV><BR>I don't mind using Shadowlunge and Triple fire as late as I do in the fight.  I Know others counsel using them earlier I disagree.</DIV> <DIV>See to use them earlier, means you will not have full debuffs on so they will not be as effective.  Also their refresh timers are long enough where even using them early makes no guarantee you can use them again.</DIV> <DIV><BR>I'd much rather chain our smaller hits and debuffs then drop the big bombs at full effectiveness and know that after that I still have my smaller damage attacks to cycle through again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now as far as Solo'ing, Its just silly In my opinion to waste our only stun on a non positional attack.  If you want to triple fire while fighting you don't need to do anything more then just move around some.  Its much more important to save the stun for a high damage positional like shadowlunge or sniping shot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Normally out of laziness I'll just cheapshot and then shadowlunge but if its not up I'll cheapshot and fire off sniping shot as I run past it.  Yes as I run past it.   Most people don't realize you can use Sniping shot on the run, becaus they are so used to using it as our Main Pull CA so we can get that high damage dose off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But yes you CAN use sniping shot on the move.  Also if solo'ing and you can kite very effectiviely it is fully possible with a well timed snare and sprint to get behind the mob and fire off a sniping shot.  I tend to do this alot when fighting single foes, it allows me to either use sniping shot twice in longer fights or to open with hidden shot and use sniping later on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways, hopefully that helps some.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nial Bladestorm</DIV> <DIV>37 Ranger</DIV> <DIV>Antonia Bayle</DIV>

[Imri]

I can say with 100% certainty that as others pointed out either macro it in or manually toggle so you turn off auto attack while using your stalk line or shadowblade line. It took weeks to get that concept to my wife so she could more effectively use her big melee stealth hits like raven embers and crippling blade (at 39 for her).I still can't seem to convince her to try and alternate hidden shot with crippling blade though.

[Flust]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rian18 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I pretty much find I never need more then two ways to go in stealth to cycle through my attacks.  Using shadow and pouncing attack is all I need as long as I can start the fight in stealth.</DIV> <DIV><BR>My common attack cycle goes something like this...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tank pulls I count to 3....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hidden shot</DIV> <DIV>Start HO</DIV> <DIV>Pickoff</DIV> <DIV>Leaping Cut</DIV> <DIV>Lunging Thrust <BR>Pouncing attack</DIV> <DIV>Raven ember (at this point some damage has been done and almost all debuff are in except for crippling arrow)</DIV> <DIV>Now I hit Evade to lessen some aggro</DIV> <DIV>Then I go range</DIV> <DIV>Crippling Arrow</DIV> <DIV>Sniping shot</DIV> <DIV>Back to melee</DIV> <DIV>Shadow (important here I found if I chain Triple shot after sniping I pull aggro almost everytime)</DIV> <DIV>Shadowlunge</DIV> <DIV>Then I cycle through the debuffs that are down again and fall to ranged for my Triplefire/miracle shot/Flameshot combo...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nial Bladestorm</DIV> <DIV>37 Ranger</DIV> <DIV>Antonia Bayle</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I use a similar cycle when I group.</P> <P>You mentioned that you usually don't use Triple in your back up to range, due to grabbing to much aggro.  I have found that if I use surviel -> backstab insted of evade, I can then go straight to range, use Debiltating Arrow, CtH, and Triple sequence and not grab aggro.  I typically get the kill shot with Triple.   I also do 2 rounds of Longshank->tangle before I get into my backstab.  I start with Hidden usually, then go to Survival of the fittest, LS/Tangle, then through our quick reuse CAs, then back to LS/Tangle.. by then my SotF is back up, hit that then go into Survial-> Crippling Blade, and then back out to do my Ranged CAs.   If I do grab aggro, its usually on that last 2-5% of the mob, that is with a Guardian tank.  My best bud is a Guardian, so I'm usually alwasy grouped with him.</P> <P>I tend not use Sharp Shot (flaming shot upgrade) during groups, the dps for the casting time is marginal at best.  </P>