Weapon Speeds vs. Damage..your thoughts?

[JaggNomr]

<DIV>I was curious what other Rangers have found most effective and if in different situations ie. solo vs group, if weapon speed made a difference in your attacks. I currently try to use weapons with lower damage and higher speed, but also there are alot of slower weapons with higher damage that people are probably using. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First, does the damage a weapon does effect your combat skills? such as hitting harder w. a Crippling blade attack or is it set per the skill, and has nothing to do w/ the combat attacks? Also, would it be beneficial to use the slower, yet more damaging weapons in group situations as opposed to faster lower damage weapons for soloing? If weapon damage does add to your combat skill attacks, I would assume that using the higher damage ones would be more beneficial, because of the fact that we use more combat skills while grouped. (I say this because it is easier to position yourself behind a mob and go to town w/ combat skills, instead of soloing and having to run thru combat skills, stun, and run around the mob and get off a single back attack). I know that the combat skills have a max and min damage on them, but would you hit closer to the higher end of the damage more frequently using a higher damage weapon?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know I have seen a post on this before, but could not find it from shuffling thru the backlogs of entrys for the past month or 2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>

[Neec]

<P>well theres a few things to consider..</P> <P>1. Weapon damage has no effect on CA's Damage</P> <P>2.  Your kit.. Do you have slayer rings +3 % haste each or FBBS 15 % haste or other hastes, do you have honed reflexes skill from bloodline crons.. 43 % haste at adpet 3.  Do you have any other haste items.</P> <P>3. who do you spend most of your time grped with.. coercer, bruiser, bard.. all offer haste too </P> <P> </P> <P>i believe i read somewhere that the maximum speed a weapon can be used is 1.1 seconds..  so stacking 150% haste in buffs with 1.2 sec weapons is kinda futile.. FBBS and 1.2 /1.3 sec weapons are already working at thier max speed..  </P> <P>If you got slow weapons with big damge you want more haste to boost your DPS (only by a little as 95% of our dps comes from chaining specials) </P> <P> </P> <P>Bottom line tho is it doesnt really matter play your character and use weapons you think suit your character..  the faster the weapon the more  hits it makes per minute (when not using CA's)  and the more chance you have of it proccing poison or proccing die to an imbued effect on weapon.</P> <P> </P> <P>That said the more haste the better high end  as all long bows are 7 secs ..   for melee jsut work out your usual running haste speed and   work out the speed your weapon will be working at remembering the 1.1 sec cap.. </P>

[Flust]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <P>well theres a few things to consider..</P> <P>1. Weapon damage has no effect on CA's Damage</P> <P>2.  Your kit.. Do you have slayer rings +3 % haste each or FBBS 15 % haste or other hastes, do you have honed reflexes skill from bloodline crons.. 43 % haste at adpet 3.  Do you have any other haste items.</P> <P>3. who do you spend most of your time grped with.. coercer, bruiser, bard.. all offer haste too</P> <P> </P> <P>i believe i read somewhere that the maximum speed a weapon can be used is 1.1 seconds..  so stacking 150% haste in buffs with 1.2 sec weapons is kinda futile.. FBBS and 1.2 /1.3 sec weapons are already working at thier max speed.. </P> <P>If you got slow weapons with big damge you want more haste to boost your DPS (only by a little as 95% of our dps comes from chaining specials)</P> <P> </P> <P>Bottom line tho is it doesnt really matter play your character and use weapons you think suit your character..  the faster the weapon the more  hits it makes per minute (when not using CA's)  and the more chance you have of it proccing poison or proccing die to an imbued effect on weapon.</P> <P> </P> <P>That said the more haste the better high end  as all long bows are 7 secs ..   for melee jsut work out your usual running haste speed and   work out the speed your weapon will be working at remembering the 1.1 sec cap..</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The faster weapons will proc on average the same number of times over the course of 3 mins as a slower weapon.   The Devs have even come out and said that.  So, a slower weapon has a greater proc % per swing than a fast weapon. </P> <P>Parsing has shown that when spamming CAs, like we normaly do in grind group situations, a slower weapon has a slightly higher DPS than a faster weapon.  Since, CAs don't restart the swing timer for auto attack.  You get a swing in usually between CAs.   As well, when spamming CAs, since you lose swings on a faster weapon, you will proc less than with a slower weapon. </P> <P>When it comes to Haste, really the only time its very useful is during Raids.  When we really can't spam CAs due to Aggro and Power issues.</P> <P>It still comes down to your prefrence.  Slower weapons do higher proc%, its why our Bows proc so often.   It also comes down to how you play.  faster weapons are better imo, when soloing.  Since we have so few frontal CAs. </P>

[sjaste]

<DIV>I personally look at the damage rating.</DIV> <DIV>But apon reaching 32 you should be using the PGT almost all the time due to the power proc and the rune proc (goes great with manastone) Which then leaves you with 1 weapon to choice for tier 4/5. For tier 4 You can't do much better than imbued feysteel (went for a sabre myself) but at tier 5 Ebon is a bit pricy so I went for the reward from heart of fear access quest in CT. (Better than both the Dirk and SSoY HQ's.) I never use 1 handed and shield myself as I don't see a good cheap 1 hander around and love my PGT too much to let go of it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cedric Quindiniar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fluster wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>The faster weapons will proc on average the same number of times over the course of 3 mins as a slower weapon.   The Devs have even come out and said that.  So, a slower weapon has a greater proc % per swing than a fast weapon. </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Parsing has shown that when spamming CAs, like we normaly do in grind group situations, a slower weapon has a slightly higher DPS than a faster weapon.  Since, CAs don't restart the swing timer for auto attack.  You get a swing in usually between CAs.   As well, when spamming CAs, since you lose swings on a faster weapon, you will proc less than with a slower weapon. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If melee CAs have their proc frequency tied to weapon speed the same way ranged attack CAs are, then a scout using poison/procing weapons would end up with slightly higher DPS when using a slower melee weapon.  For example, if you were using a melee weapon with a speed of 1.5, it would have a 12.5% chance to proc poison off of a melee CA, whereas a melee weapon with a speed of 2.0 would have a 16.67% chance of a poison proc.  There are also fewer opportunities to get riposted with a slower weapon.</P> <P>Overall though, the differences are relatively minor, so you should go with whatever weapon setup you prefer unless your really into min/maxing.<BR></P> <p>Message Edited by Cedric Quindiniar on <span class=date_text>05-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:44 PM</span>

[Ebjelen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sjastein wrote:<BR> <DIV>I personally look at the damage rating.</DIV> <DIV>But apon reaching 32 you should be using the PGT almost all the time due to the power proc and the rune proc (goes great with manastone) Which then leaves you with 1 weapon to choice for tier 4/5. For tier 4 You can't do much better than imbued feysteel (went for a sabre myself) but at tier 5 Ebon is a bit pricy so I went for the reward from heart of fear access quest in CT. (Better than both the Dirk and SSoY HQ's.) I never use 1 handed and shield myself as I don't see a good cheap 1 hander around and love my PGT too much to let go of it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is the one trap you want to avoid. Don't get sucked into templates. I'm over 32, do not use a PGT or a manastone and I do just fine. I'm well known as a quality ranger on my server. I know a number of rangers that can't even pull of stealth moves in group fights. That doesn't make them bad rangers. I've seen many rangers that almost never use a bow. So what?</P> <P>EQ2 was designed heavily to avoid the character template issue. Be your own boss. But do use poison.<BR></P>

[Flust]

<P>Exactly Cedric.</P> <P> </P>

[Nobol]

In all honesty grab whatever has the best stats and proc...

[sjaste]

<P>Resontly realised that in high end game you have a lot of haste spells/equipment. Also I was told that weapons can't go faster than 1.1 delay so having a wep with 1.2 delay will not change as much with hastes as a wep with 2.0 delay so overall I'm thinking that duel wield with fairly slow delay will come more in handy. So leafblades here I come :smileywink:</P> <P>P.S. can anyone verify the min 1.1 delay?</P>

[Balerius]

AFAIK, the "minimum 1.1 delay" notion is a myth.  I believe it was caused by people using log parsers which couldn't divide time in smaller increments than 1 second (because the client doesn't report in smaller increments than 1 second) and because the client rounds to the closest second.  Consequently, a parser can never show hits in less than 1 second intervals.  What you <STRONG><EM>can</EM></STRONG> see, however, are "double hits" periodically occuring during the various 1 second time intervals...these are the reports for weapons with a less than 1.1 delay.

[lilmohi]

<DIV>The way i understand it, haste doesn't decrease the delay of the weapon, but increases your rate of attack.  In other words 100% haste doesn't mean 0 delay, but it means you make 2x's more attacks.  However that said, all testing i've done points to a definate haste cap, although i haven't pinpointed it yet.  However i'd have to say i prefer the higher delay weapons simply for the fewer riposts, and higher procs, plus leaf blades look cool.</DIV>

[JaggNomr]

<P>Thanks for your imput. I think the majority of Rangers agree that the Higher Damage weapons have a better proc rate, I think I will be looking for an imbuned spear tonight =).</P> <P>Thanks for the info all.</P>

[Teksun]

<div></div>Heh, the way I choose my weapons: Empty my bank account. Go to merchant, filter dual weild, orange - orange. Compare all the weapons I can afford for stat bonus and damage (I rarely take speed into account) decide whether I'm replacing slash or pierce and buy it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Am I the only one who NEVER has any money??? LOL <div></div><p>Message Edited by Teksun on <span class=date_text>05-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:18 AM</span>

[JaggNomr]

<DIV>Don't feel so bad, I almost got up to 1p and decided that I wanted to start buying imbuned armor....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Imbuned = broke</DIV>