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[littleman17]

<DIV>this is getting real anoying to me... when ever I get into a group with a richer ranger I end up unable to use two of my skills (at level 2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> these two skills are lunging thrust and leaping cut. Because of their added effects I can't use them purely for the damage because other rangers have higher level versions in effect</DIV>

[Bayler_x]

It's annoying, true.  But try changing your timing; the duration on those arts is about half of the recast delay, so you should be able to find times when they'll go through. <div></div>

[Ibixat]

<span><blockquote><hr>littleman17 wrote:<div>this is getting real anoying to me... when ever I get into a group with a richer ranger I end up unable to use two of my skills (at level 2<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> these two skills are lunging thrust and leaping cut. Because of their added effects I can't use them purely for the damage because other rangers have higher level versions in effect</div><hr></blockquote>Just to mention this, this is not a ranger specific problem, My paladin had the same issues when grouped in our main guild group with a higher level paladin, it's not that he was richer, it's that he was higher level.  Basically everyone of the same class has to wait for the dot/debuff effect of a higher level person to wear off before they can land theirs.  It is by design (a crappy one if you ask me). hopefully they will do something some day for those of us who's combat arts almost all have some form of debuff or dot attached.</span><div></div>

[jarlaxle8]

<P>ah, now i understand why i couldn't use impale and other things once. there was a higher lvl ranger in the group :smileyindifferent:</P> <P>i really hope they fix that. i can accept that my debuff doesn't stack on the higher ranger ones, but i don't use impale and the like just because of the debuff. i want to do damage, and it just freaks me out when i want to use it, and 'did not take effect' blinks in my face. and the worst is, when you want to get a HO off, and the CAs which are not recharging are those debuff or dot CAs which the other ranger just let loose. :smileysad:</P> <P>devs, pls change this, it's just annoying to loose damage output because damage+debuff CAs get blocked.</P> <P>---------------------------<BR>Ryilan<BR>Wood Elf Ranger 25<BR>Woodworker 22<BR>Riverwind Alliance<BR>Runnyeye<BR>---------------------------</P><p>Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on <span class=date_text>06-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:37 PM</span>

[hieronym]

<DIV>best thing to do when grouped with another ranger is tell them to start the attack close range while you use your bow shots or the other way around, then when you move in for the close melee they can then move out, hopefully by the time you change the spells will have worn off. Dont always work mind but helps.</DIV>

[Neec]

As nearly all our attacks contain a debuff, it is purely who uses the skills 1st, at moment its kinda pointless to have 2 rangers in a group or raid.. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level doesnt matter when i was level 50 with master skills, a level 48 prevented me using some skills with app 1 versions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want to be in a group with another ranger best solution is 1 of you uses bow other uses melee, buts down both of your dps but you can both do summit then..</DIV><p>Message Edited by Neecha on <span class=date_text>05-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:57 PM</span>

[Jay]

<P><FONT size=2>I'd like to see this change so you aren't completely prevented from using an attack that would stack a debuff effect. Just DON'T STACK IT!! I lose out on around 5-6 attacks total because the entire CA is forbidden, when SOE could just as easily treat those CAs like a straight damage attack with no debuff, so we could still get that Crippling Arrow, Leaping Cut, or Impale off purely for damage purposes. I could care less about the debuff at that point, but the current system forces one ranger to lose hundreds of points of damage just b/c of a technicality regarding the debuffs. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I generally avoid grouping with other rangers for this reason. The very rare exception is the other ranger from my guild. She's cuter than me anyway. I do enjoy grouping with other scouts, but prefer a bard or rogue so they don't interfere with my style. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P>

[Teksun]

I've run into this a few times, my guild leader is a ranger about 8 levels higher than me so I noticed it some time ago. Fortunately with a gap like that, there are only 2-3 attacks I need to time differently. I usaully step back, do a bow shot, step back in and try again <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It is inconvenient but not life threatening. If you can't complete in HO because of it, then that other ranger better be on it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[JaggNomr]

Just a thought, and unyet tried, You know how certain attacks grey out when you use ne similar to it? As in the Leaping Cut and bleed will both grey out and you cant use until the timer comes back. Is it possible for one to use the leaping cut and the other to use the bleed? Just curious if this might be a way to use both of the skills while grouped with a fellow ranger.

[xandez]

Yes this is really annoying, and should be fixed asap. Its silly that the DMG portion of the CA cant get through if theres another debuff effect on the mob already just make it so it overrides it or just ignores the latter effect besides the DMG. ++Xan (lvl 46 ranger on Oasis) <div></div>