Remove the Ranger

[CoebyWu]

<DIV>I can't handle it anymore.  Each evening, I group with the best Ranger on Innothule (yes of course, all of them are the best).  I know the problems, and I feel their pain.  I've got no idea why the devs can't seem to fix the problems that Rangers have.  All I know is, I've had enough.  Please delete the Rangers.  If you can't have a properly working class, then just get rid of it.  If you don't have the time to fix them, then make it so nobody can play them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remove the Ranger now, or fix them.  I want them to be happy again, either as Rangers or as a class that isn't broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<DIV><---47 Ranger</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no earthly idea what you're babbling about...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Black</DIV>

[Axxon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no earthly idea what you're babbling about...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Good....I thought it was just me.</DIV>

[Absinth]

If you don't like them, don't play them. But it's rather rude to just roll along and advocate deleting someone's class that they're happy with. Oh and Hi Blackin! Can't believe the ranger guild let you in. (Signed: Osprey/Kayleigh) <div></div>

[Alluna E]

Absolutely LOVE my Ranger.    Fits my playstyle perfectly.    My only complaint is having to pay money to do an appropriate amount of damage (buying arrows, poisions).   

[Gareorn]

<DIV>I play 3 classes.  If they took away my Ranger, I'd quit on the spot.  Most of the broken skills have been repaired and the class, simply put, rocks.</DIV>

[Rian18]

<DIV>33 Ranger and clueless as to what your talking about as well.  I'm getting pretty sick and tired of these ranger's are horrible threads.</DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Delete our class?  Why?  Yes our class has some inherent problems mainly at the extreme high end from what I read but overall its amazingly fun to play.  </DIV> <DIV><BR>Delete? No thanks. I often hear rangers can't do this, or rangers can't do that.  I do not doubt those post 45 who say so, but I haven't been there myself yet, so I can't comment on it.   I haven't experienced this yet.  If anything the total opposite.  I love having a group of 6 people 3-5 levels higher then me watching in disbelief as I kite around a yellow 2 group mob, that just wiped the floor with them.  I love at 33 solo'ing Red Centurions, and elites near dfc while lvl 40 paladins are doing the same thing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My group utility is super high, not because of buffs but because of playstyle.  I can't count the amount of times I've been hunting in say Zek and we've been fighting 3 or so orc and had a pack of wanderers add.  This is where Rangers shine.  Unleashing all our Ca's in rapid order and getting that whole pack of wanderers following us on a string as we take potshots at the one's the group is fighting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 Rangers who know what their doing Can bounce kite anything as long as its not a caster.  Ever see two lvl 34 rangers take down a 40 double up?  Give us a bit of room and a couple hundred arrows and the only question is how long it'll take. Yeah 40 minutes for a 40^^ maybe long but the drops can be worth it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You need Crowd Control? Check. </DIV> <DIV>You need Dps? Check.</DIV> <DIV>Wanna Solo reds? Check.</DIV> <DIV>Need to get from point A to point B fast? Check.</DIV> <DIV>Need to sneak around to explore or finish a quest? Check.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So you want to  delete our class well I'll tell you what I'll think about it as I'm kiting around orange heroic's and group x2 yellows in zek.  Feel free to come discuss it with me anytime.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nial Bladestorm</DIV> <DIV>Antonia Bayle</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kyriel]

I got owned by sister everling at 44 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> still have no idea maybe it was her time of the month and she was mad at me for not calling her, I am lvl 44 and no my equipment doesnt suck. Have most most adepts 1 except crippling blade which is adept 3 ;p. I solo pretty well, can kite nicely on Perma and Lava. Still have no clue how a lvl 34 whoop me lol.

[Rian18]

<P>Admittedly Casters are our bane.  Especially Mystic/shaman types. I can solo a double up melee 6 lvls higher then me( at great cost in time and arrows), given a small amount of room to Sweetkite in.  But an orange caster is a 50/50 proposition at best.</P> <P>So yes, stay away from casters when soloing. They can hit you from a distance, which pretty much makes kiting useless.  Melee just chase you around yelling as you stick them full of arrows.</P> <P>Nial Bladestorm</P> <P>  </P>

[EmeraldJay]

<P>I am a 44 ranger.  I can't believe the rest of you are happy with the fact that invis's stay in queue after using the mask for an HO.  Not in all situations, but it still happens quite a bit for me.  And this was something that was supposedly fixed right after a patch which broke it to begin with.  I've bugged it several times over the past couple of months. As of yesterday, it's still broken and it has even been commented on by another ranger on these forums.  So, I know it's just not me.</P> <P>I can't believe that all of you rangers are happy with the fact that four of our combat arts have the effect of slowing the attackers movement speed?  This is not slowing the attacker's attack speed from what I understand.  Culling the Herd, slows target by 22 percent; Entrap, slows target by 35 percent; Crippling Blade, slows target by 19 percent.; Leg Shot slows target by 35 percent. I cycle through all those arts for the damaging aspect of them (excluding Entrap), but sure would be nice to have some side effects a bit more useful in the group setting.  </P> <P>Have you checked all your agi buffs after the last patch where they were supposed to stack?  Primal Reflexes is surely the upgrade to Natural Instinct...it shares the same timer and increases the same skills.  Primal Reflexes' duration has not been changed like Natural Instincts',  nor does its agi stack with any of our other agi buffs.  </P> <P>Yes, I think there's still quite a bit about the ranger that is broken and still needs fixing.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Zeijandi]

Rangers are one of the best solo classes in the game.  In fact, I've only seen a dirge do better, and I think it was just him.  Rangers do good damage.  I know sorcs do more, but than they can get hit what, once?  We have some tweaking we need, I don't disagree.  Broken class?  Oh, hell no.  Broken players, maybe.  Scouts are going to get a general damage increase in the combat balancing thats going on.  I do think the devs need to change all those 'slow' or 'slow the movement speed' descriptions to the word 'snare' for all us EQ1 old-schoolers.  I think that this description has led to unfounded expectations.  We're designed to kite when we solo, not to tank so much. <div></div>

[Rian18]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zeijandi wrote:<BR>Rangers are one of the best solo classes in the game.  In fact, I've only seen a dirge do better, and I think it was just him.  Rangers do good damage.  I know sorcs do more, but than they can get hit what, once?  We have some tweaking we need, I don't disagree.  Broken class?  Oh, hell no.  Broken players, maybe.  <BR><BR>Scouts are going to get a general damage increase in the combat balancing thats going on.  <BR><BR>I do think the devs need to change all those 'slow' or 'slow the movement speed' descriptions to the word 'snare' for all us EQ1 old-schoolers.  I think that this description has led to unfounded expectations.  We're designed to kite when we solo, not to tank so much.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You hit it right on the head. We are designed to kite.  Would it be nice to have a root? Hell yeah. Would changing the ensare line from a movement reduction effect to a root be great? It be tremendous.  However I don't view it as necessary.</P> <P>Our ca's are for damage.  The fact that so many of them have a side effect of snaring the creature (reducing its movement speed) makes for easier kiting.  Yes, in a group I'd love if we had a root.  When soloing I do not mind at all that we have so many abilities to reduce a creatures movement speed.   The idea of kiting is not to get hit.  Anything that allows me to slow down its movement speed and thus keep it away from me is a plus.</P> <P>Do we need so many of them? No.  But do I view changing them to a necessity? Nope.  Its a luxury.  If they do it great if not I'll live.</P>

[EmeraldJay]

<DIV>Ohhhh, you all are kiters and solo'ers.  That explains a lot.  And if the ranger does not solo or kite? Time for a reroll, do you think? And without being one bit facetious, what does a ranger bring to the raiding table besides evac? Oh, wait, I could always slow the boss mobs' movement speed by 35 percent.  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Zholain]

<div></div><div></div><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Remove my ranger?  I don't think so.  Is our <i>class</i> broken?  Absolutely not.  Do we have a number of issues that need resolving?  Indeed. As a ranger, I have made many sacrifices in-game in order to make myself useful.  Spending insane amount of coin on poisons is obsurd.  But that should be addressed with the alchemy tradeskilling class.  If the poisons were less expensive to make, life would be a lot simpler.  Arrows...admittedly, this is difficult until you get makeshift arrows.  It would also help if Rip/Tear would provide more than one arrow.  But the need for expensive arrows has been somewhat negated by a previous patch.  The real issue is at end-game when so many raid mobs are immune to piercing damage.  And on Highkeep, crafted rounded arrows are impossible to find.  One major gripe I have is crafted arrows.  For Pete's sake, I'm a woodworker and I know that it costs more to make a stack of arrows than it does to go to the NPC merchant and buy them.  That should definitely be changed.  But these issues are no worse than issues other classes must suffer. But remove my ranger?  The ranger is hands-down, without a doubt, the most fun class there is.  Take her away and I'd have absolutely no reason to log in every night. EDIT: "</font>Ohhhh, you all are kiters and solo'ers.  That explains a lot.  And if the ranger does not solo or kite? Time for a reroll, do you think? And without being one bit facetious, what does a ranger bring to the raiding table besides evac? Oh, wait, I could always slow the boss mobs' movement speed by 35 percent." I think that my fellow rangers are simply using kiting as an example.  Personally, I hate kiting.  I've had to do it twice, and it would be perfectly OK with me if I never had to do it again.  If you doubt the usefullness of the Ranger, I would suggest you observe a <i>good</i> ranger in action.  When I say a 'good' ranger, I mean one that can adapt to any situation as the scenario dictates. At level 32, I was with some guildies about to do Ancient Slayer's Ring and Nek castle.  After joining the group, I realized that everyone else in the group was 36 or above.  This made me uncomfortable, to say the least.  The next two chat messsages went like this: Me: "Guys, I just realized I'm way outclassed by all of you.  I'll just sit this one out so you can get something done." 36 Pally:  "No way Cat....we <i><b>need</b></i> you." </font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zholain on <span class="date_text">05-04-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:23 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Zholain on <span class=date_text>05-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:30 PM</span>

[Rian18]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EmeraldJay wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ohhhh, you all are kiters and solo'ers.  That explains a lot.  And if the ranger does not solo or kite? Time for a reroll, do you think? And without being one bit facetious, what does a ranger bring to the raiding table besides evac? Oh, wait, I could always slow the boss mobs' movement speed by 35 percent.  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Please, like your going to land a snare on a boss mob :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Well Its tough to comment on something I only read about and have no actual first person knowledge off.</P> <P>However it would seem to me with the fixes on mobs slash/pierce resistances/immunity I read about Ranger dps will be increased substanially.</P> <P>Furthermore, are we were we should be dps wise at that level? No. We all know that. However, I do have faith that soe will fix that and put scouts in general where they should be on the dps tree right below wizards/warlocks.</P> <P>So what will you bring to a raid? DPS.  And hopefully when things are fixed lots of it.  If you were looking to bring something else to a raid other then Dps why are you playing a predator?  I picked a predator because I just wanted to do damage. Lots and lots of damage.  If you want utility go with a dirge, troub or enchanter.  Thats not what predators are there for.</P> <P>RIght now it may suck for you all.  I know I would be very annoyed if as a dps class, tanks were outparsing me.  But Just hope that Sony fixes that.  I really do believe that they will.  I mean simple trial and error will eventually have them get it right.  Won't it?</P> <P>Hopefully? Maybe? :smileyhappy:</P>

[Teksun]

I find it strange that this post was not started BY a Ranger, but one who 'groups' with one of the 'best rangers on innothule'. <div></div>

[hieronym]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CoebyWu wrote:<BR> <DIV>I can't handle it anymore.  Each evening, I group with the best Ranger on Innothule (yes of course, all of them are the best).  I know the problems, and I feel their pain.  I've got no idea why the devs can't seem to fix the problems that Rangers have.  All I know is, I've had enough.  Please delete the Rangers.  If you can't have a properly working class, then just get rid of it.  If you don't have the time to fix them, then make it so nobody can play them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remove the Ranger now, or fix them.  I want them to be happy again, either as Rangers or as a class that isn't broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>and the award for pointless post of the week goes to the above quote.<BR>

[Jay]

<P><FONT size=2>Agree with Zholain. Are we perfect? No. Do we have broken skills and other issues? Yes, who doesn't?</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Do we still ROCK regardless of these problems? You'd better believe it! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Personally, I'm having a blast, not even in any hurry to level at this point. Turned off combat XP gain (at 35) to help someone special catch up with me, and to prolong my time in the sun. I'm happy with my character and love playing him, so I don't feel like I <STRONG>must</STRONG> level at breakneck speed to get "better." I felt that way in the mid-20s, but right now, life is good, and I'm perfectly content to stop and smell the roses.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Anyway, the OP sounds like he's grouping with a whiner, or a ranger who has a bad attitude. Some classes are more broken than others, and really, we have it pretty good right now. Things have really improved for us in the last few months, IMO. But if you're playing a class that makes you unhappy, go play another...what's the point in playing one that isn't fun? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P>

[dancingbe]

<P>my 2 cents..</P> <P>44 ranger, and am fairly happy with my toon, until i grouped with a 45 assasin tonight, and someone in the group was posting dps after each battle.  </P> <P>my dps got SMOKED by the assasin.  on a good fight, i was about 120ish, some fights i was down as low as 85, and averaged probably around 95 -110.</P> <P>the 45 assasin on the other hand, was averaging around 120 - 145.</P> <P>perhaps i'm doing something wrong, but i expected the damage to be pretty comparable.  And, ok.. maybe i was slacking a bit at first using my high damage arrow skills to save a few silver on arrows, but once i realized i was getting smoked i layed it on as thick and heavy as i could, and still couldnt come close to competing with her dps.</P> <P>have you rangers 40+ compared your dps?  am i just doing something wrong?</P> <P>cheers</P>

[EmeraldJay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dancingbear wrote:<BR> <P>my 2 cents..</P> <P>44 ranger, and am fairly happy with my toon, until i grouped with a 45 assasin tonight, and someone in the group was posting dps after each battle.  </P> <P>my dps got SMOKED by the assasin.  on a good fight, i was about 120ish, some fights i was down as low as 85, and averaged probably around 95 -110.</P> <P>the 45 assasin on the other hand, was averaging around 120 - 145.</P> <P>perhaps i'm doing something wrong, but i expected the damage to be pretty comparable.  And, ok.. maybe i was slacking a bit at first using my high damage arrow skills to save a few silver on arrows, but once i realized i was getting smoked i layed it on as thick and heavy as i could, and still couldnt come close to competing with her dps.</P> <P>have you rangers 40+ compared your dps?  am i just doing something wrong?</P> <P>cheers</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>That is exactly what I see just about every night only I regularly group with a swashy. I would have thought the same thing that our dps would at least be comparable, but after seeing the numbers,  I fall very short. As far as kiting, there is absolutely no need to kite anything when you're a member of a group with a good tank. And the utility of the swashy; he can mez; he can bootleg; he can taunt if he has to. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would like the devs to look at the numbers themselves and balance the ranger at the very least within its archetype.</DIV>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<P>As I've stated in other posts, an Assassin is going to take us in pure melee by about 10-15% from what I've seen with parsing(I always run a parser to keep myself in check). They get one incredibly huge backstab ability that we don't get. That makes a really big difference if you're just standing there with blades in hand going at it. Where the difference starts is when we step back every 30 seconds or so and unleash our 7-8 bow skills and then step right back into melee. A Ranger that doesn't step back and use the bow skills is not fully using his awesome DPS power to it's fullest and may as well be a Swashy(No offense intended to Swashys). Our bow skills are NOT just for solo. They are what sets us apart from our other scout brothers and sisters.   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  They are what puts us at/near the top of the DPS pyramid of melee.</P> <P>I find on average, since about lvl 45, that I put out probably 130-150dps with just average grouping. That's not really dropping below about 70-80% power. Ya'know... just casual, steady killing. When the crap hits the fan and I have to unload, or a wizard/warlock/assassin/etc wants to compare notes and we blow through everything we got, I cruise more around 200-220ish depending upon how lucky I get with poison and weapon procs, and of course landing the big hits.</P> <P>As a referance for you, I'm not THAT greatly outfitted either. I use usually a Imbued Cedar Long, Pristine Imbued Ebon Dagger and SBD. Self Buffed, I'm at 209AGI and 131STR. I've seen many out there far better dressed than myself. I'd say I'm probably dressed about average for my level.</P> <P>**Shrug**</P> <P>Black</P>

[Teksun]

Assassins, IMHO, SHOULD have higher DPS then Rangers. Not by much, but 10% is reasonable. But, this only holds true for group situations. I caould not imagine an assassin taking down yellow/orange MOBs in solo combat. I can (at 32). If they can, I KNOW they do not have the same success rate as us... <div></div>

[TerminalVelocity]

<P>clearly you are not grouping with the best Ranger on your server :smileyindifferent:</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[CoebyWu]

<DIV>Clearly it's time for most of the Rangers to wake up.  Just because you can kite, doesn't mean you're a class that provides something useful and unique to a group or raid situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My post was sarcastic; of course I don't believe Rangers should be removed.  Rangers should be addressed.  Yet when I skip through the forums here, most of what I see are happy Rangers that think they're awsome because they can solo kite. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not here to stir up trouble.  I posted because, from the outside as a non-Ranger, I see that they fall short.  I posted because it doesn't seem like anyone here does.  I posted in the hopes of stirring up emotion, so that Rangers can get the attention they deserve.  (Shouldn't that be your job though?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and by the way, how would you define the best ranger on the server?  A ranger that can spend a good chunk of time kiting a red?  /boggle</DIV>

[Rian18]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CoebyWu wrote:<BR> <DIV>Clearly it's time for most of the Rangers to wake up.  Just because you can kite, doesn't mean you're a class that provides something useful and unique to a group or raid situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My post was sarcastic; of course I don't believe Rangers should be removed.  Rangers should be addressed.  Yet when I skip through the forums here, most of what I see are happy Rangers that think they're awsome because they can solo kite. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not here to stir up trouble.  I posted because, from the outside as a non-Ranger, I see that they fall short.  I posted because it doesn't seem like anyone here does.  I posted in the hopes of stirring up emotion, so that Rangers can get the attention they deserve.  (Shouldn't that be your job though?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and by the way, how would you define the best ranger on the server?  A ranger that can spend a good chunk of time kiting a red?  /boggle</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Kiting has saved my groups more then once.  The fact that I can take any 2 or 3 mobs and make them follow me around while the tank and group only have to kill 1 at a time instead of 3 at a time, makes things much easier.  Granted I only do this when their is a chance that healing can't keep the tank up against that over pull otherwise its just dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How would I define the best ranger on the server?</DIV> <DIV><BR>As one who can adapt and do all that was stated above.   If your great in a group situation and you can't solo, you are not the greatest ranger on the server.  If you can solo and are clueless in a group your not the greatest ranger on the server.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know for example that I am equally effective in group and solo settings.  Much of what I learned soloing can be put to effective uses in a group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for falling short?  I haven't experienced that yet in my mid 30's.  I see lvl 40+ Rangers here posting how they average 120 dps in groups?  That boggles my mind.  At 34 I am average 110-120 with peaks of 140.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Parsing on 20 Clay golems in Varsoon last night I averaged 118 with a high of 157.    When I hear stuff like that I just think of the ranger I grouped with in Varsoon that night.  Nicest guy in the world.  He parsed mid 50's.</DIV> <DIV>Why?  He never once stepped back to use his bow.  Ever.  He never once tried to sneak in solo ho's inbetween group ones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The zerker I was with parsed as well and he was stunned I was doing double  the dps of the other ranger.  All i did different was step back every 30 seconds are so and spam bow ca's and sneak in my own ho's inbetween my other Ca's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hear excuse after excuse from people my level, about how our class sucks.  Then I group with them and see why it sucks for them.  They are clueless.  They aren't using their abiltiies to their best advantage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You know, at 34 I always at the top or fighting for it dps wise. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe things change post 45.  I don't know, haven't been there yet.  For right now I wouldn't trade my class for anything.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I parse every day, and from roughly 500+ kills I can honestly say put me up against any class dps wise at 34 and I promise I'll be right there or above them dps wise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nial Bladestorm</DIV> <DIV>Antonia Bayle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CoebyWu wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not here to stir up trouble.  I posted because, from the outside as a non-Ranger, I see that they fall short.  I posted because it doesn't seem like anyone here does.  I posted in the hopes of stirring up emotion, so that Rangers can get the attention they deserve.  (Shouldn't that be your job though?)</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wouldn't it have just been less embarrassing to read any of the couple hundred of threads of feedback from Rangers to the Devs instead of assuming that we don't know we "fall short" and that we are not trying to get the attention we deserve?</P> <P>Additionally, I've said it at least 5 times on the ranger boards that I hate kiting.  I practice it though, because it is not only a solo tactic, but also often used in groups.  Just because some of us choose not whine constantly does not mean we don't care.</P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> CoebyWu wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>Clearly it's time for most of the Rangers to wake up.  Just because you can kite, doesn't mean you're a class that provides something useful and unique to a group or raid situation.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>My post was sarcastic; of course I don't believe Rangers should be removed.  Rangers should be addressed.  Yet when I skip through the forums here, most of what I see are happy Rangers that think they're awsome because they can solo kite. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not here to stir up trouble.  I posted because, from the outside as a non-Ranger, I see that they fall short.  I posted because it doesn't seem like anyone here does.  I posted in the hopes of stirring up emotion, so that Rangers can get the attention they deserve.  (Shouldn't that be your job though?)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Oh, and by the way, how would you define the best ranger on the server?  A ranger that can spend a good chunk of time kiting a red?  /boggle</FONT></DIV><BR><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2>1. You have strange way of apparently attempting to 'help' a class you don't play.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>2. We probably know our class a little bit better than you do. Ya know, since we play it and all.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>3. We do a little bit more than kiting (and we know it), but feel free to limit your perceptions if you'd like.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>4. Most of us that have played the class for a little while are perfectly aware of the issues we face.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>We don't need to mope and whine and rage and scream because there are some things wrong with our class. We used to be a <STRONG>lot</STRONG> more broken; the general mood on these forums as recently as two months ago was much more angry and hateful. If you're somehow disappointed that it isn't that way now, you have my condolences. So there are already many posts consolidating the lists of broken skills and summarizing our desires for the class; if you'd spent more than five minutes "skipping through" our forums, you might have noticed them. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I'll go out on a limb and suggest that maybe we're actually enjoying playing our rangers despite the flaws, and that the atmosphere that you find so offensive is the result of many of us being grateful for the fixes we've received so far. We really have come a long way. Obviously you can't know this, given that you don't play the class and probably haven't frequented these forums for months. So your view is necessarily shortsighted, but you're already aware of that. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I appreciate your concern for our well-being; I can tell that you think you're trying to help. Your methodology is a little silly, though. Anyway, thanks for stopping by - you can show yourself out, I assume?</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Jay42 on <span class=date_text>05-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:36 PM</span>

[Kyriel]

standing on the raid part, our usage is way different, there have to be some fixes to our power usage and mob resistances, as some mobs had piercing damage and all of the sudden got bugged and had piercing, crushing and slashing immunities heh( was a fun fight almost a 24 people wipe). Either way i would leave the high end game comment to Troxx And Neecha Who have been lvl 50 for about 2 months now and have seen the high end game closely, i am just beginning to tap into this part of the game.

[Falamezar]

<P>Ok, first off your sarcasm didn't translate well in writing (it rarely does).  Second, why on earth would you come to the boards of a class you don't play and then complain to us about how broke we are? I am sure you wouldn't like it if one of us did it to you, so why do it to us?  And really there are classes that are hurting like we are.  Enchanters and Mystics come to mind.  Like Jay said, we have been playing our class for a while and know what our issues are.  I for one am glad that the posts here are getting possitive.  It was getting old reading all the "Rangers Suck" posts.</P> <P>Hmm, Question for all the Rangers here.  Does it seem to you that he is jealous because we can take down a red con mob solo and not be touched, when he fizzles and gets resists all of the time?  Or maybe it is because we can use are abilities on the move?  What do you guys think?</P> <P>I would agree that a ranger that can only kite is not the best.  By the same token any ranger who can't kite is really not the best either.  Frankly I don't see how you can judge the best player of a certain class.  The one thing nice about a ranger is the ability for different styles of play.  </P> <P>In a group I have managed to outdamage the wizzy.  I have Evac at 25 that only has a 3 sec cast time and I have never had it inturupted.  I have pulled aggro off of the casters so they didn't die until the tank was able to get aggro off of me or the mob was dead.  I can't even remember the number of times i have been thanked for saving the group when the healer got aggro and I just used my bow to get it back.  </P> <P>Well, I really only have one more thing to say:</P> <P><STRONG><FONT size=5>RANGERS ROCK!!!!!</FONT></STRONG>   </P>