Concerns about the 4/20 Update

[Pleiades]

<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>First off, lol, 4/20...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>It seems there are at least three Ranger nerfs in the latest update (ok, some affect more than just Rangers, but this is the Ranger forum)...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><STRONG>Mob Attack Speed Increase:</STRONG>  This is really a problem only while soloing...  We used to be able to time a Pouncing Attack (or Shadow) & Raven Embers combo between a mob's standard attack rate.  The point being we could inviz. and cast Raven before the mob re-melee's us (breaking our inviz.).  With the reduction in delay between mob melee/standard attacks this isn't possible anymore ('been trying in the Feerrott).  We must use Cheap Shot, which is only up about once a solo mob it seems (30s recast).  Basically, before today I could use Pouncing Attack/Raven and then a Cheap-Shot/Jump-and-Shadow/Crippling Blade.  As of today, however, I can only use the latter combo.  Reducing solo damage per mob by about 300~400.  A significant, anti-soloing nerf.  As Rangers depend on these multi-move attacks more than other classes do this hurts us, particularly.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><STRONG>Possible Simple Fix:</STRONG>  Reduce the recast timer on Cheap-Shot significantly (maybe only upgraded versions?)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><STRONG>Delay After Casting Pouncing Attack:</STRONG>  One second delay after the hit before you go inviz.  Just making it more difficult for us, again, especially in solo.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><STRONG>No Hail in Inviz:</STRONG>  To me this seems reasonable--after all, how can one get another's attention and stay inviz.?  But there are a lot of things in these games that aren't real, and, this change is a significant nerf from the abilities we had yesterday (think of how-often we used this ability during questing).</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>There are others too (q.v. Steady-Aim and Take-Aim don't stack anymore, etc.), but the three above irk me the most.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I'm kind of stupid though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, what am I missing?  Is there another stun (other than Cheap-Shot) I don't know about?  Is there a grand plan herein?  It certainly isn't because Rangers were too powerful...  Please help explain their thinking.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>-Ple</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2> Ranger of the 39th Season</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2> Highkeep</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Timt]

<span><blockquote><hr>Pleiades wrote: <div><font face="Verdana"><font size="2"><strong>Delay After Casting Pouncing Attack:</strong>  One second delay after the hit before you go inviz.  Just making it more difficult for us, again, especially in solo.</font></font></div> <div></div><hr></blockquote>The delay has been changed to 0.1 seconds, not 1.0 seconds. i.e. the delay is now the same as Shrouded Strike. i.e. they have fxed Pouncing Attack at last ! I've been trying it out and it now correctly stealths you straight away when the attack lands and you can queue up your attacks, so I'm very happy. </span><div></div>

[Pleiades]

<P>ah, excellent, ty Tim...</P>

[Tazzrin]

Happy 4/20 hrhr

[Davilan]

<DIV>I love how stealth doesnt reduce running speed anymore, and being able to cast pathfinding while running is awesome too. I havent got to see how soloing is yet cause I was in a group last night hunting named NPCs for lightstone quest and killing greys. Hope its not too bad</DIV>

[Cedric Quindiniar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Davilan77 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I love how stealth doesnt reduce running speed anymore, and being able to cast pathfinding while running is awesome too. I havent got to see how soloing is yet cause I was in a group last night hunting named NPCs for lightstone quest and killing greys. Hope its not too bad</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Stealth no longer reduces running speed?  If that was intended I hope I get to respect Hagaar's Camo and Holly's Stalking Trap then since aside from being of Adept2 quality, they would be no different from the skills they are upgrading.</P> <P>It seems that the swipe procs from Blade Flurry were changed to a short range AoE with this patch, I was fighting in Tombs of Night and Nektropos last night and would repeatedly agro nearby grey mobs when it would proc.</P> <P>Although I am not a fan of the no hail while invis change, I think if you are going to change one aspect about it that seems inappropriate, then they should also change how some puny level 10 guard in Freeport can still spot a sneaking ranger 4 times his level.</P>

[Kinesthesia]

I don't remember any change in speed while stealth'ed last night... but maybe I wasn't paying proper attention.  I do LOVE being able to cast Pathfinding on the run, that always annoyed me. And best of all... fixing Pouncing Attack !  I just got it, and silly me had an Adept III standing by... so when I saw the delay, I was quite irritated.  But I only had to suffer through it less than a week, now it works like a champ ! I'm not thrilled about the hailing thing... but I can't argue with it...  oh wait, yes I could... Yes, you could get someone's attention and speak to them if they couldn't see you.  "Psssttt, hey over here... I need you to give me another [Removed for Content]' quest update...."     But... I'll live... <div></div>

[Jay]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> Davilan77 wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>I love how stealth doesnt <FONT color=#ffff33>reduce running speed anymore</FONT> ...<BR></FONT> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Whoa, whoah...belay that kind of talk! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I assume you just got Hagar's Camo or something along those lines? Cuz lots of stealth skills reduce move speed, and I just made sure Huntsman's Trap still does. (Heh...if they removed that limitation, we'd hear an uproar for nerfage like never before.) Even though the change would benefit us, I don't think I'd like it anyway. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>But I love Hagar's Camo. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I still use it along with Huntsman's Trap, it's only slightly inferior stealth but way better speed. Aww yeah.</FONT></P>

[Tazzrin]

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