Just a heads up for 40+ Rangers

[KetMali]

I have seen lots of scouts going on and on how good the ebon imbued armor is. Your first 4 ebons should go for 2x Ebon short swords and 2x ebon daggers. The imbued ebon armor isnt any better then the regular ebon armor for scout class; reason 1, we should not be getting hit to make the chest and or legs proc go off. Reason 2, the proc is not that good, 120 dmg for legs, and mayhe 150 total healage from chest piece. If you do not yet have ebon armor and already have imbued slashers and piercers then go for it. There is no reason though to get new ebon armor for the proc. The imbued slashing and piercers are a MUST in the endgame. You should carry 2x slashing and 2x piercing with you at all times for raiding. The PGT and SSOY are junk against raid mobs and honestly hurt the raid more then they help. When you use grey/green/blue con weapons (at 50) you will get reposte like mad and eat up the group reactives which in turn take mana from healers super fast. SBD is alright for raid mobs but no proc and that proc can add a ton of dmg to your weapons. So in short the first 4 ebons you get should go to ebon slashers and piercers.<p>Message Edited by KetMalice on <span class=date_text>04-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:14 AM</span>

[hieronym]

<DIV>the first 4 ebon? lol id be happy to have 1 - not sure on how much ebon goes for on ur server but i dont think i could afford 12 + plat for 4 ebon and i spend all my non group time harvesting and have 2 luminous rares for my troubles. Unless they change the rare needed for the bbc heritage most will not be able to get ebon stuff</DIV>

[KetMali]

I may be fairly lucky heh, I know it all depends on your play time also. But you can spend 6 hours a day and will prolly get 3 rares. Now if you can do this 2-3 times a week you can get lots of adept 3's and ebon stuff made. I would suggest at least starting to work on your equipment before you hit 50. I started really working on my equipment at lvl 46, just harvest when you get a chance and you will be fine.

[Ren]

Thanks for the heads up, going to hit my 40s within a week or so... bout time, made this toon when game released... *$%#&! work schedual, I was definatly thinking about to imbued ebon kris, if I can get the components.. you're right on the ebon armor though, we don't tank enough, and those heals aren't much, at lvl 37, I have 2300 hps, and yeah, a 5% chance for lambent reactive heal isnt much... the procs on those ebon weapons are uber, hopefully I can get lucky with the ebon... my harvest rares have been less than steller, all I get are pelts and dandelions... lol <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[jeste]

nice info.. thnaks <div></div>

[tal]

had my imbued ebn rapier made the other day, i LOVE it!  theres a link in another thread to  a list of all the imbued ebon weapons and their stats, as a side note scince slower weapons have a better chance of procing the leafblade is prolly the best choice.

[Gyilok]

<P>I'm having imbued ebon falchion and ssoy for slasher, and imbued ebon leaf with bone razor for piercers on raids, but i go with the 2 imbued ones in fights where pierce and slash both hit, also have an imbued bow equipped and gleaming strike goes off pretty often</P> <P>I dont think 4 imbued ebon weps is a must, in fact sbd with bone razor will do the pierce job (not to mention the rare drop piercers like vyadris claw), and ssoy will be good in the offhand with an imbued ebon in main, until you get prismatic</P>

[Absinth]

Any particular reason you advocate short swords and daggers? It seems like the dual wields are held fairly close in DPS so I assumed it was more stylistic. <div></div>

[DevlDeg]

OMG 3 rares in 6 hours!!! I have harvest soo much T5 stuff and I have gotten TWO luminous stone WEEEEEE!!!!!   Rare harvest is TOTAL luck and I have none. <div></div>

[Gyilok]

short swords and daggers were the first 2 dw weps scouts can use to have imbue recipes, all the others came with a patch later, that might be the cause mentioning them 

[KetMali]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gyilok wrote:<BR>short swords and daggers were the first 2 dw weps scouts can use to have imbue recipes, all the others came with a patch later, that might be the cause mentioning them  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah that is true heh, I had em made when they first came out, I guess it doesnt really matter. If you cant afford an ebon even a fulginate version imbued would be fine, the proc is a huge increase to dmg, the weapon honestly doesnt really matter a whole lot. The proc and stat buffs is what really matters, your ca's are not based off of the weapon so you can have so so weapons with a good proc. Even the raid dropped weapons with a haste, will probably not be as good as a fulginate imbued weapon.

[Absinth]

<DIV>Well, it's a shame I didn't see this sooner. I just turned 40, and I do have an imbued ebon falchion. But I also spent money on an ebon bp. Ah well. Only 3 more ebon to go then. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[RangerCalis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gyilok wrote:<BR>short swords and daggers were the first 2 dw weps scouts can use to have imbue recipes, all the others came with a patch later, that might be the cause mentioning them  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>In addition, and to further explain why these two weapons are recommended, take into consideration these two things:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. If you don't want to buy two sets of weapons (a total of four ebon clusters for 4 weapons, ouch), <U>buy one piercing, one slashing</U>.  This way you maintain your imbued proc if you need to switch one or the other out for raids in which the mob is resistant to slashing or piercing weapons with another weapon.  If you have two additional weapons, they'll just sit in your bag on a daily basis.  The ebon clusters are better put to use upgrading armor rather than sitting in your bag waiting to be used on specific raid mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.  Both the dagger and the short sword have the lowest delay of each of those weapon types, which means during regular melee combat you will have <U>more chances at landing a successful hit, giving you more chances to proc</U>.  So low delay with a proc this high = more dps.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by RangerCalis on <span class=date_text>04-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:45 AM</span>

[Absinth]

<span><blockquote><hr>RangerCalis wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div> </div> <div>2.  Both the dagger and the short sword have the lowest delay of each of those weapon types, which means during regular melee combat you will have <u>more chances at landing a successful hit, giving you more chances to proc</u>.  So low delay with a proc this high = more dps.</div> <p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><hr></blockquote> Not true. Proc rates are leveled to a delay of 3.0 I think it was. (Check the dev tracker for specifics.) Faster weapons do not proc more than slower ones per Dev commentary on this issue. But your point about weapons in your bag is a good one - ebon armor is working for me all the time. (Let's set aside the concept that I'm not supposed to be drawing agro <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) </span><div></div>

[gossi]

<P>First off,</P> <P>Metal box drops are much better than anything player made in terms of armor.  Sure, get ebon goods if you don't raid, if you do raid, drop the ebon crap armor and get some metal drops.</P> <P>Secondly,</P> <P>Ebon made weapons are pretty good, but they are also inferior to what drops from metal chests or from high level quests (which requires raiding).  I suggest getting the ebon weapons made to fill vacancies till truely nice drops are awarded to you.  The best thing for a Ranger right now that is player made is the imbued cedar bow and the hex dolls.  Please, dont forget to use poisons.  Other than that, stick with my metal drops when possible.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KetMalice wrote:<BR><BR>The imbued slashing and piercers are a MUST in the endgame. You should carry 2x slashing and 2x piercing with you at all times for raiding. The PGT and SSOY are junk against raid mobs and honestly hurt the raid more then they help. When you use grey/green/blue con weapons (at 50) you will get reposte like mad and eat up the group reactives which in turn take mana from healers super fast. <P>Message Edited by KetMalice on <SPAN class=date_text>04-17-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:14 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Your right that you should have two slashers and two piercers at all times.  Many upper raid mobs are immune to one or the other, and sometimes both.  When you say that grey/green/blue con weapons will get reposte like mad on upper mobs, are you serious?  It is not caused by the weapon you use, it is your placement regarding the mob.  If you stand behind it, you dont get hit.  Anywhere else, you waste your time and the time of the people in your raid.  Dual Wield (+) 150+ haste =  your dead fast.  So to simplify, for you....Good = max melee range,  behind mob....Bad = anywhere else ( P.S. this is 99.9% of the time, I take no responsibility for the few cases that it changes).  I hope that clears things up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Linyen</DIV> <DIV>50 Ranger Permafrost</DIV> <DIV>Fires of Heaven<BR></DIV>

[RangerCalis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <SPAN><BR>Not true. Proc rates are leveled to a delay of 3.0 I think it was. (Check the dev tracker for specifics.) Faster weapons do not proc more than slower ones per Dev commentary on this issue.<BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>This I didn't know, but now I do!  Thanks for the info man. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[KetMali]

<blockquote><hr>RangerCalis wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <SPAN><BR>Not true. Proc rates are leveled to a delay of 3.0 I think it was. (Check the dev tracker for specifics.) Faster weapons do not proc more than slower ones per Dev commentary on this issue.<BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>This I didn't know, but now I do!  Thanks for the info man. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <hr></blockquote>I dont agree with that, from my own parsings I show that to not be true, but it is all going to change with update 7 to proc when that certain weapon lands a hit.Linyen also, I would have to disagree, some weapons are slightly better on THEIR DPS rating but do not have a good proc. The rythine blade has a haste BUT how much will that increase your totall dps. I am looking at post U7 dmg. The prismatics are awesome but thats about it heh, the vydrins claw (correct name?) doesnt have as good of a proc as imbued. The dps rating may be slightly better but only what 3 dps more? The gemcutter is another weapon has 27.something dps but the proc is like 80-120 or something.Just my 2c but would love to hear what others think.

[Balerius]

<P>Hmmm, lots of conflicting (and wrong) info here.  To set the record straight:</P> <P>1.  Procs are independent of weapon speed.  Always have been.  They were that way in EQ1 as well.</P> <P>2.  Procs will occur regardless of whether you "hit" with the weapon (obviously this is true because it follows from #1 above).</P> <P>3.  Ripostes are not affected by the "con" of your weapon.  Ripostes <EM><STRONG>are</STRONG></EM> affected by the speed of your weapons and your positioning relative to the mob.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now as far as the OP's comments, you say that these weapons are essential "for the endgame".  What exactly do you mean by "the endgame"?  What level are you and what mobs are you fighting?  The last I knew, these weapons will not actually hit most epic mobs (i.e., level 54+ ^^^ x3/4 mobs.  The proc might hit, but the weapon, as I understand it, will not.  Moreover, the proc, if it does fire, is subject to resists on these types of mobs.</P> <P>Now I would love to be wrong about whether these weapons hit epic mobs.  Please tell me that I am based on your personal experience.  If you do not, however, have personal experience with these weapons hitting epic mobs, please temper your assertion that these weapons are "must have" weapons for "the endgame".</P>

[VelvetAcid]

<span><blockquote><hr>Balerius wrote: <p>Now I would love to be wrong about whether these weapons hit epic mobs.  Please tell me that I am based on your personal experience.  If you do not, however, have personal experience with these weapons hitting epic mobs, please temper your assertion that these weapons are "must have" weapons for "the endgame".</p><hr></blockquote>The tier 5 rare crafted weapons i.e. ebon hit raid mobs.</span><div></div>

[Neec]

<P>1.  On lev 50 + raid mobs u dont use anything below even con weapons.. </P> <P>2.  All good rangers should have at least  Procced bow and 2 procced melee ebons (or master with proc) (these are usually piercing, they should have at the very least 2 x slashing imbued level 50 weapons be it fulginate or ebon (pref the latter) </P> <P>3.  A lot of RAID bosses are either IMUNE to piercing or slashing or very highly resistant..  </P> <P>4. A good ranger should have a godo stock of BLUNT player crafted arrows in their bags, for jsut such instances.</P> <P>5. Armor is useful the procs on ebon armor are irelevant to us really.</P> <P>6. As a ranger you should be able to raid and dish out ALL 3 main types of damage Pierce, Slash and blunt, blunt will only come from player crafted arrows  but you should always have a pair of slash and piercing weapons.. </P> <P>While most raid mobs maybe highly resistant to slashing and piercing only letting you do 4-5 damage a hit with level 50 + master weapons if you have  bow and 2 melee proc weapons the amount of times you proc is amazing and the damage we do from procs on raids is probably more than our CA damage in some fights. </P> <P> </P>

[RangerCalis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <P>While most raid mobs maybe highly resistant to slashing and piercing only letting you do 4-5 damage a hit with level 50 + master weapons <STRONG>if you have  bow and 2 melee proc weapons the amount of times you proc is amazing and the damage we do from procs on raids is probably more than our CA damage in some fights. </STRONG></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P align=left>Weapon and bow procs are currently linked in combat, but won't be with the upcoming combat changes.  With that said, I'd suggest waiting until after this patch to go out buying crafted imbued weapons. </P> <P>With all the changes coming up, who's to know?  It's best to just hold off this discussion until after the patch, imho.</P>