less Snares give us a root

[Neec]

<DIV>OK so wizzies get a 70 % snare and lots of roots and can  solo nearly every  grp boss in game  and i have withnessed this root nuke root  root nuke etc.....   and the mobs die quick especialy with 2-3k ice comet every   few hits.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We get </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hollys Stalking Trap Snare 35 %</DIV> <DIV>Natural Selection Snare 19%</DIV> <DIV>Cripling Blade Snare 20%</DIV> <DIV>Sharp Shot Snare 35%</DIV> <DIV>pouncing Attack Snare 44% </DIV> <DIV>Culling Herd Snare 24%</DIV> <DIV>Legshot 35% snare</DIV> <DIV>Entrap 35% snare</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sounds great but none of em stack.. they to add insult to injury they musta thought we  dont have enuf snares they give us a snare on the agil doll.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why can we get a root or at least a 70% snare...   I mean  with the nerfs we tank almost as well as mages...  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can get close on 300 agil self buffed and still cant solo anyhting..   And i die in 1 or 2  nukes from most ^^ mobs... hell at moment i have trouble on con blue solo mobs ..    </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thers a huge imbalance in the game, i watch a mage run around and kill all the named mobs that are up SOLO and cream in  cash like theres no tomoz i cna barely aford arrows ..   I would like some utility..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I owuld love to see Feral instincts a 15 min buff too.. along with honed reflexs.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Agil sux i spent fortune on agil kit for character rares and getting stuff made etc  200 agil or 300 agil the diference to character is none existant..  Much better to go al lstamins and 100 agil hardly touched our power... but 100 stam well thats huge.. </DIV>

[Anas]

<P>here's a thought : </P> <P>do us all a favor and go create a mage and play it instead of whinning ... </P>

[Flatus Maxim]

I think Neecha brings up some valid points. What is the real point of having so many snares that do so little? The only ca that comes close to a root is dirty tricks, but it takes timing to get around a mob and use a flank attack. Oh and by the way, those who accuse others of "whining" most often are the whiners themselves. <div></div>

[Draghixia]

I'd love to have roots rather than snares.  I'm still curious as to [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] snares are even in EQ2 for anyway, considering when you run from mobs they can hit you from much greater distances than long bows can fire it does not add any benefit when you are running from a mob and since you cannot kite for more than 20 seconds it eliminates the EQlive aspect of snares.   No snare is going to prevent a mob from running over and smacking the cleric or wizard in your group who overaggros. So what use is snare anyway?  Absolutely none.   <div></div>

[Jay]

<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> Anashi wrote:<BR> <P><FONT size=2>here's a thought : </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>do us all a favor and go create a mage and play it instead of whinning ...</FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2>Here's another thought - learn who the veteran contributors are to the class forums before you make your very first post in order to insult one of them. Neecha has a valid point.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Also, if you're going to accuse someone of whining, try to spell it correctly. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P>

[Fennir]

There is no reason to push any stat past 200, as that is the soft cap.  Anything higher than 200 and the beneficial increases are minimal. At 37 I've pushed AGI up to just over 200 buffed and am now working on STR and STA.  STR is at about 125 self-buffed now. Also, please don't forget that as of right now, the only skill that is going to really keep you from being hit and hit hard is DEFENSE.  Unless you can raise that significantly, all the agility in the world won't help you. And while I agree our slows are not exactly overpowering, they help a great deal during kiting situations, which we are much better at than any other class.  No root for you. <div></div>

[Velocidad]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fennir wrote:<BR><BR><BR>And while I agree our slows are not exactly overpowering, they help a great deal during kiting situations, which we are much better at than any other class.  <BR><BR>No root for you.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Hmm my snares must be messed up then. If I hit a mob with Entrap, I have just enough time to look at the maintained spells window to see it drop. Not exactly what is needed for kiting.</DIV>

[CyahLaytar]

I agree, snares so far in my career (I know only early 30s), are worthless.  The hassle and brevity of the spells just don't add up to any benefit.  I do better just stepping in an spamming HOs. 

[KetMali]

<DIV>What good would stamina do you? We are not tanks, we are pure dps, the only logical way to go is str. Maybe im missing something here but what good would more hitpoints do? With a 3k ae or dot a 100 hp wont do much good 9/10 times. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=6667" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=6667</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Check out this thread, no offense to you neecha but it may be the way you play your ranger. I can solo blue ^^'s like 4/10 times, when I solo I have 230 agi and 200 str and I do just fine against any green ^^ mobs.</DIV><p>Message Edited by KetMalice on <span class=date_text>04-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:26 PM</span>

[Ebjelen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> Anashi wrote:<BR> <P><FONT size=2>here's a thought : </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>do us all a favor and go create a mage and play it instead of whinning ...</FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2>Here's another thought - learn who the veteran contributors are to the class forums before you make your very first post in order to insult one of them. Neecha has a valid point.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Also, if you're going to accuse someone of whining, try to spell it correctly. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here's a thought - veteran poster does not equal good-ranger-player. Just like swell-armor-tank does not equal good-tank-player.</P> <P>The first problem here is that you're only considering one variable. Battles in EQ2 are extremely dynamic with not only variable values, but the variables themselves changing constantly from moment to moment. We're talking micro-seconds here between changes. Speed buffs count when you're adversary just got slower. Roots break just as easily as snares and mages don't have anywhere near the mitigation, let alone avoidance, that scouts have.</P> <P>The second problem is that you're trying to make rangers look bad by making mages look too good. How does that acomplish anything other than whine?</P> <P>Here's a final thought- high-level-ranger-player does not equal good-ranger-player. Anyone can eventualy make level 50. Anyone, good-player or bad-player can post on this board and offer advice.</P> <P> </P>

[Neec]

<DIV>Well ive been level 50 for a long time and was one of the1st to hit 50, im a raid leader and kill most of the raid bosses in the game, i have top kit and i know exactly what i am doing, some of themobs are easy to kill, but in general they are not, i duo with a mage all the time and when duoing i can kill nearly al lthe bosses in game designed for single grps even bosses with many adds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never said anything about nerfing mages they are *$%#&! useful they are after all crowd control for the ^^^ x4 pic mobs and a couple of mages in a raid can keep the boss rooted and out of range of raid until all the adds are dead.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now thanks to those that stuck up for me, and those that complain and go on dont worry no need to get defencive im not having a go at your mage alts..  And well, its been my experience that people that flame get no respect on the forums.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My post is about the fact that nearly all our skills have a snare attached to them, and as none of them stack its kinda pointless, in my opinion it would be better to replace some of the snares with a stun or root..  I mean Adept entrap is 35 % snare at master 1 its also a 35 % snare and thats our pure snare skill and with all the snares on our other attacks i dont know any rangers that ever use the skill especially when leg shot is on 10 sec timer so can be used to throw a 35 % snare  3 times in time it takes entrap to reset.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also Ranger skills like tanglethorn survival of fittest etc need to be looked at, 2 rangers in a group (raid normally) and only 1 ranger can use skills like these the one that gets em of 1st.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont mind people disagreeing with me or making constructive coments thats the whole idea of the forums, flamers tho well.. that just shows a mental age below the 12 yrs or older people the game is aimed at..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And eb i had quick look at some of your posts.... your always on the defencive, and how you can coment on high level content when you say yourself in your posts your on yout 50th or so toon..  and i have to say at noob levels all classes do well.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here are a few of your quotes, which are quite funny and as somone in one of your other posts asked  just how much contempt can one person have for other people... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And just because I disagree with everyone else does not make me wrong. Also, just because I am blunt does not make me crass or impolite. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My son makes fun of me because I've been through about 50 toons so far. So my answer would be yes try a new character. You do get six now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do get frustrated by some of the gripes I see here because the folks posting them do seem to be lacking in any skills let alone ranger-know-how. But, how do you filter out stupidity? and why? Stupidity is a basic American right</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I guess most people believe that staves are only for [Removed for Content]... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Neecha on <span class=date_text>04-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:08 AM</span>

[DevlDeg]

<span><blockquote><hr>Ebjelen wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Jay42 wrote: <div></div> <blockquote><font size="2"></font> <hr> Anashi wrote: <div></div> <p><font size="2">here's a thought : </font></p> <p><font size="2">do us all a favor and go create a mage and play it instead of whinning ...</font></p> <hr> </blockquote> <p><font size="2">Here's another thought - learn who the veteran contributors are to the class forums before you make your very first post in order to insult one of them. Neecha has a valid point.</font></p> <p><font size="2">Also, if you're going to accuse someone of whining, try to spell it correctly. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Here's a thought - veteran poster does not equal good-ranger-player. Just like swell-armor-tank does not equal good-tank-player.</p> <p>The first problem here is that you're only considering one variable. Battles in EQ2 are extremely dynamic with not only variable values, but the variables themselves changing constantly from moment to moment. We're talking micro-seconds here between changes. Speed buffs count when you're adversary just got slower. Roots break just as easily as snares and mages don't have anywhere near the mitigation, let alone avoidance, that scouts have.</p> <p>The second problem is that you're trying to make rangers look bad by making mages look too good. How does that acomplish anything other than whine?</p> <p>Here's a final thought- high-level-ranger-player does not equal good-ranger-player. Anyone can eventualy make level 50. Anyone, good-player or bad-player can post on this board and offer advice.</p>Just because everyone does IT doesn't mean IT is right. Double entendres and metaphors were probably intended. If you haven't studied English rhetoric at a college level then this post is probably unintelligble.<div></div><hr></blockquote>After you wrote that last sentence I can just see you patting yourself on the back and saying "YES! I am GOOD!"   Very disrespectful.</span><div></div>

[Sotaudi]

<P>Just a couple of points.  Mages have bathrobes for armor.  We get medium armor.  Mages get no movement speed buffs.  We get a group speed buff.  Outside of combat, with Pathfinding up, with level appropriate armor, I can run until the mob gets bored and gives up, often without taking any damage to speak of from most mobs.  And since I can cast spells like Entrap on the run, I can easily leave virtually any mob in the game in the dust outside of combat (-35% speed on them and, what is it, +10% speed from pathfinding).  In combat, the speed buffs do not work, but in solo combat, I use my bow specials at the beginning of the fight, and move into melee when they run out.  During combat, I can use Cheap Shot to stun them long enough to create some distance rather than moving behind them for a positional attack, and I can use a snare to create more distance while I get off a couple of shots when my skills that allow me to shoot and move recharge.  Or I can use Cheapshot and ensnare to get away if I have to.</P> <P>A mage, on the other hand, has to stop to cast his root or his snare.  So he has to stop and cast the spell, hoping he does not get hit, which could interrupt the spell, hoping the spell does not get resisted (which many times does happen), and knowing if he does get hit, that the best he can hope from his armor is that the mob will snag a fingernail and get a nasty hangnail from it, but it certainly is not going to mitigate any hit worth speaking worrying about.</P> <P>So I am not sure what you envision here.  Yes, we could root them, then move off and shoot them.  But I certainly would not want to take as a trade off for that what the Mages have to put up with, i.e., less armor.  Besides, damage tends to break roots, so it would, at best, let us get off pretty much what we could do now, I would think.   Arguing for a better share percentage might be realistic, but I do not think we will ever get a root.</P>

[Neec]

<DIV>You forget that your run buffs are disabled during combat like Jboots, Sow and Pathfinding are disabled so you move at slower speed than mage.. Forsome reason mages run faster unbuffed than we do.. maybe its somthing to do wit hweight..   Kiting is possible on slower mobs at level 50 and takes a lot of practice and  not possible on casters as they can nuke you for 2k,  all the ^^ mobs in lavastorm can stun you and the stun is long enuf for them to kill you, im not complaining at this nor at mages.</DIV> <DIV>And yeah mages wear robes but we die just as quick as they do especially since we got mega nerfed on agil and stuff..  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyhow this thread wasnt supposed to be a compare mages to scouts mages are mages and i think they are where they should be, what my complaint about us is that we can not solo anywhere near as effective, sure with our snares we can kite some mobs a bit but you gotta keep eye on mob many a time i have got a mob down to half hp kiting only for it to reset.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kyriel]

<DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffff66>here's a thought : </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff66>do us all a favor and go create a mage and play it instead of whinning ...</FONT> </P> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>Stupidity at its best /applaud, most vets on the forums know how hard Neecha, Fennir, Cybereva, Troz have been to our cause in getting skills fixed, next time look up the dictionary and find the word n00b, may not be in yours cause you are still one. Anyways I was looking up teh stats between the adept 3 leg shot and adept 1 dont seem different does anyone have a master 1?</FONT></P></DIV>

[Anas]

<P>now that's really sad how people just wait for someone to say something and start accusing them of being "n00b" ... i wasn't flaming Neecha ....</P> <P>he/she kept goin on on how Mages/wizzies whatever can root /nuke and solo ..etc. and we can't ... all we see is that SOE usually just NERFS instead perking a class ... so instead of complaining about how another class can do something ... why not just play it ... yeah our snares suck  ... but live with it ... I'd rather see fixes and adjustments to the stupid timers/power consumption on most our abilities than see one of the snare percentages go up ... (and the irony is that the MELEE abilities charge up almost instantly when compared to the ranged ones ... we're Rangers for crying out loud ... not assassins ...) </P> <P>i  may not be an expert player but still i am no "n00b" (stupidest english word ever thought of) and for everyone who flammed me for misspelling something : "not everyone in the world speaks english" ... at least i know a another language ... pffft getting spelling corrections by people who use numbers in words as letters ...... hehehe </P> <P>sorry if you were offended Neecha .. wasn't intended</P> <P>Message Edited by Anashi on <SPAN class=date_text>04-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:54 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Anashi on <span class=date_text>04-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:00 AM</span>

[Neec]

<P>Well to be honest i dont like flaming of any sort.. theres no call for it theres a lot that needs looking at in the ranger class and my point was not to slate mages i never said they have it easy but they do get some really useful skills, i think mages are where they should be but us rangers need looking at too..  </P> <P>Curently </P> <P>Mages Out Damage Us, Solo Better than us, can tank about as well as we can, can evac, can invis OTHERS as well as themselves, they have group utility and can feed group power, they have much better power to dps ratios than us too, they have better snares than us and they get roots, thier big damage nikes reset really fast too..  </P> <P>THIS IS NOT A SLATE ON MAGES</P> <P>This is to point out that rangers need more work, i roleplay my character i love rangers and always play them no matter what..</P> <P>Rangers do need to be looked at a little the only reason for any group to really add a ranger to grp is disarm trap and if there are no mages available..   </P> <P>This isnt to say rangers are a bad class, i love my ranger, my set of master loot items my many master 1 skills my dps..  </P> <P>We need more variety and diversity in our skills at moment 2 rangers in a raid cancel each other out on dps with half skills not being executable because its already been used by other ranger.. </P> <P>I will reiterate also I DOnt WANT TO PLAY A MAGE.. Mages have had thier patch and thier boost and its put them where they should be, scouts in general need a boost also and that will come in a later patch in the mean time i jsut want to highlight areas that need to be looked at.. </P>