Heritage Bow Needed

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>There is a lack of bows in the game, and really nice bows especially. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im not gonna get into details about how easy it is for a bruiser/monk to get a Crook & FBSS and become a dps god, and how Scouts need 2 weapons, fbss, and a good bow (and good arrows which cost a fortune) and they still cant keep up. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But a nice Heritage Bow with a decent proc would be very suitable for scouts. Im not saying it should be scout only, but it would help us keep our dps in line with people using all heritage stuff since we rely more on our ranged attacks (specially rangers)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trueshot Longbow maybe?</DIV>

[Tr]

You can't compare FBSS between classes because everyone will get one easily. The crook used to be a high quality end game weapon but with prismatics and other master drops now they really aren't used as much.I would rather see an epic quest for a class only weapon similar to what you get when you ding 20 rather than a heritage bow that everyone will use.

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>hmm prismatic. so all i have to do is get down to Naggy, get the prismatic weapons quest, complete it, then I can get closer to the dps I want. Gimme a break. This is like a million times harder than Crook. Fixing the proc on Bone Razor would be a much better suggestion. You are correct in saying the FBSS part of the equation cancels out though, hence me saying we need a heritage bow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want a class specific epic weapon then start a thread saying so, dont come here and post off topic derailing the thread.</DIV>

[Tr]

I guess prismatics went a little too far, but there definately are alternatives and the only high level people I've seen still with crooks are priests.

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>The only alternative is using SSoY and SBD, and my point is that a bruiser with the equivalent level heritage weapon (ie Crook) outdamages us. If a Heritage Bow was added to the equation, Scouts (rangers ecspecially) would reap the benefits of that fine weapon and get a nice dps boost. If other classes used it, they would not get the same kind of reward since they dont have the bow specials scouts do.</DIV>

[Mouadieb]

true but what's to stop an assassin from getting one and using it. They still get tripple shots etc. I know they do not get the ranged skill shots but I agree it should be more of a class specific epic for level 50 like the level 20 class weapon was. Make them no drop so they can't be sold on the open market and there you go.

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>Im fine with an assassin using it. Most scouts have bow specials. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is my point. Asking for something Completely new to the game, like class specific weapons is just NOT gonna happen. Keep wishing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But the addition of a Heritage Bow along the lines that already exist in the game to help patch up ALL scouts dps (who use bows) is a very doable idea. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do i want class specific and epic type stuff? Of course, but get serious; the dev's cant even figure out if a spell is fixed or not before releasing it. Hoping they will give us somethign as cool as epic weapons is a downward spiral.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Zork Phobos on <span class=date_text>03-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:58 PM</span>

[Nacire]

<DIV>While we're talking about being realistic let's not forget that a good bow, heritage or not will do little to nothing in the way of getting our dps in line.  All our ranged dps is coming from specials anyway and those don't care what the bow stats are.  Also everyone else that can equip it will be using the same thing, keeping us the same relative power as we are now.  Of course I would LIKE one, but it won't help the issue you mentioned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Thesp]

<DIV>I want a heritage quest for my Bow of the Tempest /mourn</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Timespinner too, I miss my precious :smileysad:</DIV>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<DIV>As nice as a Heritage Bow sounds to me as a Ranger, I'm inclined to agree with the others... There should be implemented an Epic Class Quest Bow instead. That would set us further apart and likely we'd be the only ones to obtain a bow as an Epic. Then again, I'm one of the Rangers that thinks we should be primarily bow users and less melee. In my groups, I'd rather spend about 70-80 percent of my time at bow range slinging arrows instead of positioning myself at a mobs back only to back up now and again to fire off my volley of special bow skills then step back into melee. Without Bow Special skills, the archery just isn't realistic to sit back and pluck. We easily do multiple times the damage with our melee. I don't think that's right at all. But that's just me. On the whole, I'm content with my 38 Ranger and all the various things I can do and bring to a group. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Black</DIV>

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>Listen to yourselves. Your complaining that you dont want the bow because other classess will get to use it. You guys are sad. Not only is this a shortsighted and rather self-centered opinion, it also is riddled with ridiculous comments like 'bow stats dont help our damage from specials'. This is the most ignorrant thing ive ever heard, and whoever said it needs to be shot (with arrows). ..  Who cares if other scouts can use it? Power to them. If any scout thinks he can keep up with my bow specials he is sorely mistaken, and a nice Heritage Bow with a nice Heritage Proc (or other similar effect) would allow rangers that much more flexibility to their DPS paradigm. Honestly, Im shocked any ranger would rebuke the idea of a Heritage bow. Makes me wonder how you guys play your class.</DIV>

[MaenaBowy]

<DIV>Just to pop in...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They've already said they're planning on adding artisan heritage quests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems to me trueshot longbow/raincaller would be pretty much no-brainers candidates.</DIV>

[Vecsus_E]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MaenaBowyer wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just to pop in...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They've already said they're planning on adding artisan heritage quests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems to me trueshot longbow/raincaller would be pretty much no-brainers candidates.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Hopefully that quest will require the services of a high-level woodworker.  My bank account needs some padding.</P> <P> </P> <P>I think some people may have missed the point someone made ealier in this thread:  No matter how uber the bow is, our ranged damage comes from CA's and would therefore be mostly irrelevant to our DPS.  Other than a special proc or some stat modifiers, a Sniping Shot or Triple Fire is not going to do more damage with a better bow.  And honestly, how many Rangers are standing outside of melee range waiting for their 7-second bow to fire?  If you are then you're wasting a group spot.</P>

[Jay]

<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <HR> Zork Phobos wrote:<BR></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=2>Listen to yourselves. Your complaining that you dont want the bow because other classess will get to use it. You guys are sad. Not only is this a shortsighted and rather self-centered opinion, it also is riddled with ridiculous comments like 'bow stats dont help our damage from specials'. This is the most ignorrant thing ive ever heard, and whoever said it needs to be shot (with arrows). ..  Who cares if other scouts can use it? Power to them. If any scout thinks he can keep up with my bow specials he is sorely mistaken, and a nice Heritage Bow with a nice Heritage Proc (or other similar effect) would allow rangers that much more flexibility to their DPS paradigm. Honestly, Im shocked any ranger would rebuke the idea of a Heritage bow. Makes me wonder how you guys play your class.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=2> <HR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT size=2>Wow, you sure know how to conduct a constructive discussion in a worthwhile thread! LOL  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV>

[Vecsus_E]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zork Phobos wrote:<BR> <DIV> it also is riddled with ridiculous comments like 'bow stats dont help our damage from specials'. This is the most ignorrant thing ive ever heard, and whoever said it needs to be shot (with arrows). ..  <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Stats on a bow are a very minor, indirect contributer to the damage on a ranged CA.  A bow with more STR and AGI will help but the damage range does not make a difference since the CA itself has a seperate damage window.  That you do not understand this makes me wonder how YOU play the class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Note: this assumes you are using a bow appropiate for your tier.  Using a Gregors at level 42 just won't hold up in this debate)</DIV>

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>Stats also refers to the Dmg of the bow. To say that the bow damage has very little effect on damge from a special is ignorrant. </DIV>

[Vecsus_E]

<DIV>Tell ya what.  Take a teak bow and a cedar bow and tell me if you can find a difference in special attack damage.  I've made both bows and used both bows.  Zero difference.  Now, examine a skill like Sniping Shot and look at the very last line of the description.  It says 497-828 (with adept 1).    Now who's ignorant.  If you need further evidence, look through these forums a bit.</DIV>

[Zork Phobos]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vecsus_EQ2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Tell ya what.  Take a teak bow and a cedar bow and tell me if you can find a difference in special attack damage.  I've made both bows and used both bows.  Zero difference.  Now, examine a skill like Sniping Shot and look at the very last line of the description.  It says 497-828 (with adept 1).    Now who's ignorant.  If you need further evidence, look through these forums a bit.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>zero difference my [Removed for Content]. ive used every bow youve ever seen, and the damage definately increases when better bows are employed (even if they are in the same Tier). I'll belive my own eyes over the spell descriptions anyday, for they are often wrong.<BR>

[Zemeckis]

<DIV>Anyone that says that the bow doesn't make a difference for your bow CA's is [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].  Test some stuff out, grab a Primordial Short Bow and use some CA's then go to the Pristine Cedar Longbow and tell me theres no difference.  And if you really think that waitin 7 seconds for the bow shot to fire is bad, then your not doing something right.  I pop off maybe 350 damage average with that normal bow shot, which becomes my strongest damage with bow over all.  Plus with haste items, it's not even that long.  I try to use my bow as much as possible on raids and lately my DPS parser has been close to rivaling a wizards.  Most recent raid I went to I was 1000 dmg under a wizard, 61000 for him 60000 dmg for me.  </DIV>

[Neec]

<DIV>A heritage bow and dual wield whip would be nice..   there are currently NO high end whips for level 50's well none that i have seen that are any good anyhow.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eic SOLO quests would be cool for class specific EPIC weapons, nice ong quests or some uber solo dungeon..</DIV>

[Velocidad]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <DIV> nice Long quests <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I added the L for ya in Long =) </P> <P>Yes a nice long quest for a Heritage bow would be nice. As long as the long part doesn't consist of spending a week camping one mob for 1 smal piece of it. Can anyone say Quillmane and not cringe. Or how about Phinny and his 3 different class epic pieces.<BR></P>

[Zork Phobos]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Velocidad wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <DIV> nice Long quests <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I added the L for ya in Long =) </P> <P>Yes a nice long quest for a Heritage bow would be nice. As long as the long part doesn't consist of spending a week camping one mob for 1 smal piece of it. Can anyone say Quillmane and not cringe. Or how about Phinny and his 3 different class epic pieces.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Nobody had it as bad as SK's. Their epic was ridiculous, and easily takes the prize for rarest pieces. I killed Phinny 5 times for every rare PoH drop needed for sk epic.</DIV>

[tal]

<DIV>all they need to do to make a "heritage bow" is give out status points after getting stormfire, that was harder then most heriteges ive done. and i know your about to say stormfire isn't an endgame weapon, well neither is ghoulbane.   i do believe we need an end game bow quest, as it is the best bow is a crafted one, and its not that much better then a bloodlet bow.</DIV>

[Tr]

Supossedly crafted bows have a hidden accuracy bonus. Its obvious they want to keep crafting a top notch option, and bows are one of the highest demanded woodworker items.

[Zork Phobos]

<DIV>A heritage "Endless Quiver" would also be good, and really only benefit rangers. To get any benefit from this item a character would have to shoot a lot, and only Rangers can have decent dps shooting that much. Assassins may have a good special or two, but they have huge recast timers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This would also, of course, have a two-fold effect of saving money on arrows. Depending on their class this could be a small to huge effect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or better still, how bout a heritage bow that doesnt need arrows at all? Like the Ranger's bow from the old dungeons and dragons cartoon hehe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But whatever; we are rangers and will get [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] on untill one of the oblivious developers deigns to fixing the ranger problems rather than work on new content. I think they outsource all their bug fixing to mexican prostitute interns, they clearly dont put their 'good' programmers on bug fixing. The endless bugs that they say are fixed but never are; pathetic QA.</DIV>

[Vecsus_E]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zork Phobos wrote:<BR> <DIV>A heritage "Endless Quiver" would also be good, and really only benefit rangers. To get any benefit from this item a character would have to shoot a lot, and only Rangers can have decent dps shooting that much. Assassins may have a good special or two, but they have huge recast timers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This would also, of course, have a two-fold effect of saving money on arrows. Depending on their class this could be a small to huge effect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or better still, how bout a heritage bow that doesnt need arrows at all? Like the Ranger's bow from the old dungeons and dragons cartoon hehe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But whatever; we are rangers and will get [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] on untill one of the oblivious developers deigns to fixing the ranger problems rather than work on new content. I think they outsource all their bug fixing to mexican prostitute interns, they clearly dont put their 'good' programmers on bug fixing. The endless bugs that they say are fixed but never are; pathetic QA.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Excellent ideas Zork.  Even though I make some good money selling Fulg arrows to Rangers unable to make their own I would gladly delete all my woodworking recipes in exchange for an endless quiver.