Long Bow vs Short Bow

[Lemli Wak]

<DIV>I was using one of the shortbows you get from quests in WW, but recently upgraded to the One-Eyed Bow, a long bow that - at lvl 22 - does great damage with carb arrows. I'm assuming that there is a longer reload time when ranged attack is set? Otherwise, I can't imagine anyone choosing the shortbow over the long. I guess my question is, which does better DPS? </DIV>

[Fiftyeight]

I've always looked at it from the standpoint of which bow does the most damage up front rather than over time.More likely than not I'm up in the fray with mobs and my only reasons to retreat are to execute my bow attacks. Altogether these take so little time that it wouldn't make that great of a difference had I equipped either a long or shortbow, because at the end of my spell run I'd only be able to get off one shot anyways. That said, I equip a longbow and just hit the Ranged Attack button as I'm backing up and go back to melee after landing the bow abilities and approach the mob again.The longbow also aids in pulling mobs and giving a greater potential to stay out of some enemies' AoE ranges while still giving me the opportunity to deal damage.All personal preference, really.<p>Message Edited by Fiftyeight on <span class=date_text>03-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:03 PM</span>

[Fennir]

a long bow is THE ranger weapon. start working on Valinayle's quests so you can get Stormfire, which will last you through much of your 30s, at which point you can move on to Sureshot or wait for Bloodlet.

[Laeani]

<DIV>I'll be getting a pristine cedar short bow today for the stats and group usage as it has a higher rate of fire which will put out decent dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I will also keep my longbow for use of pulling on the rare times that I'll need to pull.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Laeani Spytfyre</DIV> <DIV>43 Ranger</DIV> <DIV>Wrath</DIV> <DIV>Unrest</DIV>

[Ijiamee]

<DIV> <P><FONT size=3>Take the long bow. It is assumed that the delay makes a difference, it doesn't. Bows are used for CA's, I don't know any Rangers that expend arrows doing regular ranged attacks, and CA's aren't dependant on your delay. So whether I have a short or long bow, I will complete my bow CA's in the same amount of time, however the long bow will have done more damage...and from a greater distance.</FONT></P><SPAN><FONT size=3>If you want better stats, go short, if you want better damage and range, go long. </FONT></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Ijiamee on <span class=date_text>03-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:34 PM</span>

[auladi]

<DIV>to the msot previous poster.. tahts not a valid point.. i say go shortbow if we're talking about the t5 rare long vs short .. for the simple point of stats.   the dmg doesnt make a difference... nor the delay.. first off, bow damage has nothing to do with how much your CA"s hit for... so that nullifies that arguement.. secondly.. after you fire off your bow CA's if you dont return to melee your losing dps by trying to do damage with your bow.. if you mis its going to cost you anotehr damageless 7 seconds which is a long time to stand there... short bow all the way unless you need the extra 10 range for pulling something out of reach.. thats the only reason id use long until stupid SoE decides to make bow damage correlate directly with CA damage.  </DIV>

[Ijiamee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>auladian wrote:<BR></P> <DIV> bow damage has nothing to do with how much your CA"s hit for</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Interesting. I've noticed an increase in my damage when I upgraded my bow, even though I didn't level or get any new CA upgrades. Where did you get this info?</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Ijiamee on <span class=date_text>03-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:45 PM</span>

[Neec]

<DIV>Longbow.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>feral instinct +45 % increased attack speed</DIV> <DIV>FBBS +15 % increased attack speed </DIV> <DIV>Ancient Slayers ring x 2 +6% attack speed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>+66% increased attack speed  then factor in  buffs from monks and bards and you will notice </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The increased attack speed has HUGE impact on the 7.5 sec long bow dropping down to about 3 sec reload time when fully buffed...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dmg doesnt make a difference... nor the delay.. first off, bow damage has nothing to do with how much your CA"s hit for... so that nullifies that arguement<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Wrong, I upgrade to Sureshot, and got a new high melee the next attack from it, Sniping shot with Feyiron arrows went from around mid 300's to mid 500's.  There are enough examples wiht me to prove this is misinformation.  Test it out.  Go out and buy a noob bow come back and tell me your doing the same damage.  </DIV>

[Vecsus_E]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GoNomar wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dmg doesnt make a difference... nor the delay.. first off, bow damage has nothing to do with how much your CA"s hit for... so that nullifies that arguement<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Wrong, I upgrade to Sureshot, and got a new high melee the next attack from it, Sniping shot with Feyiron arrows went from around mid 300's to mid 500's.  There are enough examples wiht me to prove this is misinformation.  Test it out.  Go out and buy a noob bow come back and tell me your doing the same damage.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>What did you upgrade FROM?  Changing to a higher-tier bow will make a difference.  I have made myself both a cedar shortbow and cedar longbow.  I have used each of them a lot and see no difference in damage when using CAs.  And all I EVER do is CAs with the bow.  I agree with a previous posters comment...if you are stannding outside of melee range waiting 4.5 or 7.0 seconds for the bow to cycle, you are a waste of group space.  Get in there and melee while the CAs refresh.<BR>

[Velocidad]

<DIV>I use a longbow *almost* exclusively. The only time I switch out is if my group is fighting a mob that AEs and power drains. If you run out of power and running low on health you can always back out of AE range, switch to short bow and med up a little. That's especially useful for when the healers need to concentrate on keeping the tank alive and conserving some power for emergencies.</DIV>

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vecsus_EQ2 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>What did you upgrade FROM?  Changing to a higher-tier bow will make a difference.  I have made myself both a cedar shortbow and cedar longbow.  I have used each of them a lot and see no difference in damage when using CAs.  And all I EVER do is CAs with the bow.  I agree with a previous posters comment...if you are stannding outside of melee range waiting 4.5 or 7.0 seconds for the bow to cycle, you are a waste of group space.  Get in there and melee while the CAs refresh.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Ummm I think somehow you completely wiffed on my point.  The posters comment I was addressing was when he said bow damage is irrelevant to CA damage.  I was posting that comment was wrong.  Where in my post did I even mention using the Bow as a primary form of combat?  All I said was I upgraded a bow and my CA damage upgraded with it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I upgraded from a Pristine Cedar to Sureshot, significant upgrade, and my Ranged CA's all improved allong with it.</DIV>

[MaenaBowy]

<DIV>Just to pop in</DIV> <DIV>You can actually ready the damage your CA's should do now by examining them, and last I checked, changing bows changed the damage.  (oddly enough, changing melee weapons ALSO changed the damage... and more than can be accounted for by the stat mods, but changing arrows had no noticeable affect whatsoever... so the accuracy of the damage listing is in significant doubt)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That being said, I would find it HIGHLY likely that the damage done by weapon based CA's are based on the DPS of the weapon being used, not by the damage alone, as otherwise there would be a huge advantage to using 1h weapons, or very slow, high damage dual wield ones, and from what I've seen that isn't the case.</DIV>

[Lemli Wak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fennir wrote:<BR>a long bow is THE ranger weapon. start working on Valinayle's quests so you can get Stormfire, which will last you through much of your 30s, at which point you can move on to Sureshot or wait for Bloodlet.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Thanks all for the advice - where do I start Valinayle's quests? Is it in Elddar's Grove? Thanks.

[Bayler_x]

<DIV>The single most important reason to use a long bow, in my opinion, is that it has a much higher chance to proc poison per shot.  With Blade Fury, Triple Shot, Double Shot, and a good poison, you can sometime take 2/3 of a yellow solo mob's life in the first 2 seconds of battle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not uncommon to see something like: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your Triple Shot hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your SWIPE hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your Triple Shot hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your Triple Shot hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2> <HR> Lemli Waker wrote:<BR><BR></FONT> <FONT size=2>Thanks all for the advice - where do I start Valinayle's quests? Is it in Elddar's Grove? Thanks.<BR> <HR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2>Sir Valinayle is the yappy elven knight who hails you as you go down the first staircase in Stormhold. Sounds like a long series of quests, but I'm going to start them now (at 27) and I'm betting most of the common undead w/b gray to me. It culminates in some named undead that might be tougher, but the Stormfire bow is definitely worth it. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Stormfire: </FONT><FONT size=2>+3Int, +9Agi, +4Str, +36HP, +39Power, Base Damage: 26-131, Minimum Skill: 140, Delay: 7, Range:37</FONT><BR></P>

[Lemli Wak]

<DIV>Thanks Jay - since I'm only on the verge of dinging 23, and Stormfire is lvl 28, I may wait a bit. I actually have to go to SH tonite for aq3 so will pick up the quest at the very least. At least I know where it is now. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there a thread that lists the bows, long and short, with stats? On the pally boards there are several for shields and armor and the like. </DIV>

[MaenaBowy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bayler_xev wrote:<BR> <DIV>The single most important reason to use a long bow, in my opinion, is that it has a much higher chance to proc poison per shot.  With Blade Fury, Triple Shot, Double Shot, and a good poison, you can sometime take 2/3 of a yellow solo mob's life in the first 2 seconds of battle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not uncommon to see something like: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your Triple Shot hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your SWIPE hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your Triple Shot hits for ...</DIV> <DIV>Your Triple Shot hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Your poison hits for ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Even more fun when your swipe procs a swipe that ALSO procs a poison.

[Zemeckis]

<DIV>I made a post somewhere else about my damage with a short bow and the damage on your bow has a great influence on the damage of your skills.  I used a Primordial Short Bow on a regular xp mobs in CT and my sniping shot was doing 100 damage and Crippling Arrow did 40 damage.  Switching back to my longbow and they started doing the good damage they were suppose to...so needless to say...i don't use short bows, pristine cedar longbow all the way.</DIV>

[auladi]

<DIV>where did i get my info from... .. use the search button, its been stated by the dev's that all Combat art damage is seperate from weapon damage... the for some stupid reason deem'd it unfair or unbalancing to have damage effect combat art damage.. im not going to pick or weed through the reason why you seen a higher or lower hit.. maybe different tier arrows.. mayb eluck.. /shrug but its been stated 100x over that wpn dmg/dly does not effect, tie in, or have anything to do with CA damage.. end of story.. argue it w/ a dev not me however =p</DIV>

[Trei]

I still have yet to see any practical reason to go short over long bows, for the simple fact that it's more economical to hit for 100 damage with one arrow than two arrows doing 140, as well as the extra range.There is simply no incentive at all to use auto ranged attacks.A short bow could otherwise have its advantages over a long bow via a higher rate of fire over time, but current cost of arrow usage makes it highly impractical.