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[Zemeckis]

<DIV>Since this is the only place I can see that devs actually read player feedback im goign to post somethign here and I apologize to any people I annoy or upset.  <BR><BR>Please do something about rangers.  The cost to play them is outrageous.  Fulginate arrows are over 3 gold per stack and without them rangers damage is horribly low.  Many fine suggestions have been made in the ranger subclass forums that i doubt any dev has ever taken a glance at.  Ranger was always my favorite class in EQ1 and EQOA but paying outrageous amounts for my DPS is ridiculous.  <BR><BR>Here is an example of my damage<BR><BR>WIth makeshift carbonite arrows my Sniping Shot will do maybe 250 damage...with a one minute recast this attack isn't very effective.  When I use Fulginate arrows this attack does between 600-860 damage.  <BR><BR>When fighting a named eye in CT the damage parser was somethign like this when I used makeshift arrows.<BR><BR>43 Wizard - 5900 damage<BR>40 Brigand - 4600 damage<BR>42 Ranger(me) - 3650 damage...obviously these aren't exact numbers but its close. <BR><BR>Some suggestions made on some other forums was maybe have makeshift arrow scale as you leveled.. for example when you get the skill at 21 you make carbonite arrows...at 30-39 you would make feyiron and from 40-50 you would make fulginate.  Some people also suggested adding endless quiver as a spell rangers get.  Things like these would really make this woudl be great class a very fun one to play.  Many 40+ Rangers have voiced their opinions on this matter in the other forums and many 50 rangers have described the kind of gold they deposit on arrows for raiding purposes.  There is no way for people to maintain the kind of cash required to buy the arrows needed to be of any use on a raid damage wise.  Please if anyone shares these opinions post here and help the devs realize that rangers need to be seriously looked at.  </DIV>

[Dimidri]

<DIV>Just because they don't reply to every post doesn't mean that they don't know what you are saying. This is in the wrong forums, they do read all forums. Oh, by the way, whenever they respond to problems with a subclass, guess where they post... noo... not in the Test Feedback.... yeah, the corresponding job forum.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They can't reply to every issue, you just have to say what the problem is, maybe comment on it, whatever. It feels better that it is at least acknowledged, but even when it isn't, they still read it. Especially if you have a list of problems, they like lists I've noticed.</DIV>

[Talaga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dimidrius wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just because they don't reply to every post doesn't mean that they don't know what you are saying. This is in the wrong forums, they do read all forums. Oh, by the way, whenever they respond to problems with a subclass, guess where they post... noo... not in the Test Feedback.... yeah, the corresponding job forum.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They can't reply to every issue, you just have to say what the problem is, maybe comment on it, whatever. It feels better that it is at least acknowledged, but even when it isn't, they still read it. Especially if you have a list of problems, they like lists I've noticed.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2>Congratulations on your promotion to forum moderator.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Your parents must be proud.</FONT></P>

[aeio]

<blockquote><hr>Talagand wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Dimidrius wrote:<BR><DIV>Just because they don't reply to every post doesn't mean that they don't know what you are saying. This is in the wrong forums, they do read all forums. Oh, by the way, whenever they respond to problems with a subclass, guess where they post... noo... not in the Test Feedback.... yeah, the corresponding job forum.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>They can't reply to every issue, you just have to say what the problem is, maybe comment on it, whatever. It feels better that it is at least acknowledged, but even when it isn't, they still read it. Especially if you have a list of problems, they like lists I've noticed.</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size=2>Congratulations on your promotion to forum moderator.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=2>Your parents must be proud.</FONT></P><hr></blockquote>Not as proud as yours for being able to type out a semi-paragraph.

[A]

There is no place in the forums for In-Game Feedback, especially non-class related. Perhaps you should have placed your post in the appropriate Ranger forum.<p>Message Edited by Aia on <span class=date_text>03-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:41 PM</span>

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aia wrote:<BR>There is no place in the forums for In-Game Feedback, especially non-class related. Perhaps you should have placed your post in the appropriate Ranger forum. <P>Message Edited by Aia on <SPAN class=date_text>03-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:41 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Please people do me one favor before posting a reply to this thread in here, especially like the one I quoted.  Our forum is chock freaking full of threads regarding the cost of arrows, and thier crafting.  Go in read a few threads and check it out for yourself, we have been posting for 2 months about the agility nerf that deleted Rangers Soloing ability at higher levels (Comparitive to other classes).  With absolutely no response up to now from the Devs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And frankly who cares if its posted here?  Is it really messing up your day so much, that you feel compelled to get on your high horse and educate us on what each Forum is for?  What part of this issue effects you?  We are attempting to use all avenues to rectify a <U><STRONG>SIGNIFICANT</STRONG> </U>  problem with <U><STRONG>our</STRONG></U> class.  Your feedback is welcome, encouragement appreciated.  Condescending comments on where something should be?  Not needed, just ignore the thread and move on.  Remember we pay <U>exactly</U> the same amount as you to use these forums.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now onto the problem with arrow cost, Devs show me one class in the game, besides Rangers, that have to spend 20g a day to maximize DPS.  Just one, I am not asking for Endless Quiver, I know that would be a waste of time and it would kill the fletching economy, as it did in EQ1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But scaling the cost of arrows to be appropriate for what you get out of them would be great.  Thanks for the skills you have given us that help alleviate the cost, makeshift arrow and rip.  But, the skills as is, are coming up short for what I feel your inteded purpose was. A perfect example of this is the skill Rip. regardless of what arrows I use, I get a feyiron arrow back, an exploit at early levels because I could upgrade my makeshift for feyiron's for free.  But a useless skill at higher levels, because in order for me to keep up with the other pure DPS classes, we need to use T5 arrows Feyiron just do not make the grade anymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Check this for realism, wow I just shot that Goblin with a Fulginate arrow and it magicly turned into Feyiron when I pulled it out of him, what bad luck!  Wait it happens every time!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Part 1:</DIV> <DIV>A great and simple fix for the Rip skill would be a 2 step process.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>#1 Lower the recast timer of rip, in a normal fight I am lucky to get back 2 of the maybe 8-10 arrows I fire off.  Level 50 Rangers with the Skill "Storm of Arrows" have it even worse as they could burn through maybe 15-20 arrows and encounter, and get 2 downgraded arrows in return.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>#2 Obviously, with the skill Rip, give us our arrow back please, what ever we stick into the mobs behind, let us pull it out, it seems to this Ranger that you gave us the skill to help alliviate the overwheming costs of arrows in the high end game, in their current state, while minumully helpful, they are in essence broken skills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Part 2:</DIV> <DIV>Some Rangers have suggested that scaling Makeshift Arrows so it is appropriate to our level, this is a fantastic Idea.  level 21-29 Makeshift Carbonite, level 30-39 Makeshift Feyiron, level 40-50 Makeshift Fulginate.  At adept 1 we only get 30 arrows every 10 minutes, with the above numbers you can see how quick we burn those up.  So we would still be dependant on Vendor/Player crafted arrows, but we would be able to compiment them with arrows we can "create" in combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Closing:</DIV> <DIV>It's a great class, for all types of gamers, great roleplaying possibilities, great skill set, but without any true group utility unique to Rangers, our DPS is what has to define us, and right now to do that, being broke is defining me as well.  Neither of the changes I mentioned above will hurt the player crafter arrow economy tremendously.  All we are asking for is a little financial relief.  Last but certainly not least, I am begging you Devs please respond to this thread, so I don't have to keep posting it repeatedly to get that response, your feedback is important to us, let us know you are at least listening.  We have seen no fixes for previous problems that have been posted, IE. broken skills etc...  Let us know that help is on the way, and that their truely is a light at the end of the tunnel, because before long, there will be no 45+ Ranger's playing this game, they will have moved on or, rerolled new toons to play, because the cost is getting in the way of the playability.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you for your time.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by GoNomar on <SPAN class=date_text>03-06-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:50 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by GoNomar on <SPAN class=date_text>03-06-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:53 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by GoNomar on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:57 AM</span>

[GoNom]

<DIV>duplicate post</DIV><p>Message Edited by GoNomar on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:38 AM</span>

[A]

<blockquote><hr>GoNomar wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR> </DIV><DIV>And frankly who cares if its posted here? Is it really messing up your day so much, that you feel compelled to get on your high horse and educate on what this Forum is for? What part of this issue effects you? We are attempting to use all avenues to rectify a <U><STRONG>SIGNIFICANT</STRONG> </U> problem with <U><STRONG>our</STRONG></U> class. Your feedback is welcome, encouragement appreciated. Condescending comments on where something should be? Not needed, just ignore the thread and move on. Remember we pay <U>exactly</U> the same amount as you to use these forums./span><hr></blockquote>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------There's no need to be rude! There are appropriate forums for class discussion, feedback and so forth. It is not messing up my day at all, nor do I have a horse, in-game or out. Thank YOU very much, sir.There is a /feedback command in-game. Perhaps that would also be an appropriate avenue to follow. I suppose all classes and subclasses should also post their specific issues in the IN TESTING forum. I'm certain that would improve the state of the game immeasureably. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[hispu]

<DIV>I really would like to see something done for Rangers.  The Ranger forum seems to be the least happy forum in the game.  I haven't seen a Dev respond to a single thing in that forum.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The fact is that Ranger is supposed to be a DPS class, they bring nothing else to a group - but are outdamaged by Fighters and Mages.  I agree that mages should do more damage, but Rangers are the only class that has to pay 4 gold a stack of arrows.  That's not 4 gold a stack of arrows to OUTDAMAGE a mage or fighter, that's just 4 gold a stack of arrows to even have DPS considered useful to a group.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Makeshift arrows and rip MUST be broken, it makes no sense that Rip and Tear give you the SAME quality of arrows. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I stopped playing the game more than a month ago, telling myself I'd wait, because obviously some of the Rangers problems would be addressed in a patch.  Still nothing has been done, and still I'm not playing.  I haven't cancelled yet however, cause I still have hope something will be done.  And yes, if nothings been done in a month and I end up playing WOW, yes you can have my stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lower the cost of arrows</DIV> <DIV>or</DIV> <DIV>Increase Ranged damage (cmon we don't even compare to assasins, our brethren)</DIV> <DIV>or</DIV> <DIV>Make Makeshift, Rip scalable to level and tier</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While you're at it, our class defining skill ensnare/impede - cmon, could you think of something less useful?  Give us a root.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And to anyone that wants to flame, go PLAY a Ranger to level 35, and then some other classes to the same level and then tell me there's not a problem.  I'm sick of playing my Mage and Cleric and rolling my eyes every encounter at how useless my higher level Ranger is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I really DON'T care if this is the wrong forum.  I posted about this in the correct forum MONTHS ago.</DIV> <DIV>Go to the Ranger forum and read the thread on Arrow cost vs. DPS, and that's not the first thread on the problem either.</DIV>

[Zemeckis]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Well this is how the devs deal with problems..move important posts to forums they dont have to read...great job SOE I can tell customer satisfaction is the most important thing to you.  If you're making over 63 million dollars a yea on EQ2 alone should you at least respond to the feedback of your customers.  Instead of spending your time doing things like adventure packs how about dealing the obvious problems you have now..ie weak classes and classes who have to depend on cash to keep up with the damage of other classes or bugged mobs in certain higher level zones like the basement in CT or Perma and lavastorm.  Stop putting in new content that's going to have more bugs that you won't fix when hundreds of players respond to it.  Think the people at Blizzard are this lazy and ignore their customers..god I hope not.  </FONT></DIV>

[Dimidri]

<DIV>NVM.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dimidrius on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:47 PM</span>

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aia wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GoNomar wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>And frankly who cares if its posted here? Is it really messing up your day so much, that you feel compelled to get on your high horse and educate on what this Forum is for? What part of this issue effects you? We are attempting to use all avenues to rectify a <U><STRONG>SIGNIFICANT</STRONG> </U>problem with <U><STRONG>our</STRONG></U> class. Your feedback is welcome, encouragement appreciated. Condescending comments on where something should be? Not needed, just ignore the thread and move on. Remember we pay <U>exactly</U> the same amount as you to use these forums./span><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>There's no need to be rude! There are appropriate forums for class discussion, feedback and so forth. It is not messing up my day at all, nor do I have a horse, in-game or out. Thank YOU very much, sir.<BR><BR>There is a /feedback command in-game. Perhaps that would also be an appropriate avenue to follow. <BR><BR>I suppose all classes and subclasses should also post their specific issues in the IN TESTING forum. I'm certain that would improve the state of the game immeasureably. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Okay so i guess you missed the entire part how I said that we have been posting these issues <STRONG><U>IN THE RANGER FORUM FOR 2 MONTHS WITH NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE.</U></STRONG>  And also if other classes are having issues, and the have exhausted all other avenues to the point of our current frustration level, post on the devs forehead for all I care.  one thing you will never see me do is arbitrarilly respond to threads with useless information on where something should be posted, without reading the entire post, which its obvious you didn't had you, you would have seen that we have tried the Ranger forum plenty of times, for numerous issues, and nothing has changed, in fact the class is worse off now then when the game was released.</P> <P>Perhaps I was a little bit rude, and if your offended by words from a stranger on an internet forum, well that's your issue not mine.  Next time, don't butt in, do what I said, ignore the thread and move on.</P>