Rangers? more like pieces of [Removed for Content] with a bow fetish

[ri]

<DIV>I am a level 50 Ranger on Grobb in the guild Malice. We raid everything worth raiding and even currently trying to take down Darathar on the deception quest.  I was impressed with how SoE fixed the problem of wizards/warlocks and hopefully they will do the same to rangers.  I believe there is a lack of threads on this topic because there are not many 50 rangers that are also in high content raiding guilds.  At the moment rangers do poor melee dps and their bow dps is nothing to shout over and almost just as bad. On almost every single raid mob crushing damage is the best way to hit and take down a mob.  The only way for a ranger to do decent damage is t5 crushing crafted arrows.  With the new fuel patch in crafting it takes alot of platinum to keep up with the demands of a raiding guild.  With these new instances we raid at least 5 mobs per a day and in that time a 50 ranger uses many stacks of arrows.  Unless you find a way to exploit and make tons of plat there is no way to keep up with the required amount of arrows it takes for that cost.   Also the level 50 skills that buffs bow skill by 52 at adept 1 focus fire lasts 36 seconds and recast time of 300 seconds. So your telling me sony that for 36 seconds i can bow better than anybody else and for the next 5 mins im a waste of a raid spot?  The ranger class is so badly done that i find myself being a pull sacrificial [FAAR-NERFED!] on Darathar just to eat up an AoE.  My class is called a RANGE-r yet unless i spend platinum daily for arrows for raids im a worthless class and take up spots in raids?  The class needs to be fully revamped including damage..... buff timers.... and cost of arrows to be made otherwise i can sit there with my thumb up my behind looking pretty while my guild takes out mobs.... thats cool GG SoE i wish i could screw up classes as well as you maybe i could get a job there as a dev.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                                                                                                                                                                         -Vindail Swiftshot, 50 Ranger, Malice, Grobb Server <DIV> </DIV></DIV>

[Kyriel]

<DIV>16 lvls and i'll tell you how i feel <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[ChaosUndivided]

<DIV>48 Ranger on ButcherBlock here, I am also in a raiding guild, we have started dropping the 52+ grp 4 mobs, and I agree 100% what you say.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a REQUIREMENT all bow classes in our guild MUST use tier 5 arrows for raids. Just to keep us honest. Unacceptable how much gold I drop EVERY raid (6gp per raid for grpx3, 9 for grpx4) multiply that by 6-7 raids a week, it adds up FAST</DIV>

[Merkad]

rofl sacrificial rangers again. Man that brings back lots of fond memories, in a masochistic sense. I am not 50 yet, just 46, and I am not, nor will ever be in a heavy raid guild, but really, it was kind of obvious. I am still of the opinion that rangers suck, but oh well, it has to say [XX Ranger] Merkades (Wood Elf) for me to play it.

[Araze]

<DIV>Just curious, hwo do assassins do at lvl 50 epic raids ? </DIV> <DIV>Arent they into piercing as well? Never thought of Assassin as crushing-dmg user.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO - no mob should be resistant to any type of attack, except some magical ones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is disturbing!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rangers are ok in groups</DIV> <DIV>In raids, we need something extra</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How about add a spell that makes us able to magically transmute our bow-dmg into pierce/slash/Crush at will?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Karnacc]

<DIV>We can only hope that rangers will be seriously looked at soon. The cost of arrows in particular.</DIV> <DIV>Perhaps there are plans to make an endless quiver type of ability. I cant imagine that Soe cant see how unfair it is to have one class be that dependant on money when others do better dps for free.</DIV>

[CloakV]

I think the problem is this.When I first started playing about 50% of all players were scout based classes, mostly rangers or assasins. Now i only see perhaps 10% of the ammount of rangers that i used to see. Obviously because players have become so disheartend by the class, the nerfs that destroyed our solo ability and the lack of SONY's commitment to fix broken issues within this class. Now there are so many less Rangers, Sony are obviously going to spend even less time addressing the issues everyone has with them because as a company they're obviously going to be more concearned with keeping the masses happy than helping the few die hard ranger players left over. If and when they finaly sort out the balance issues then many of those old rangers may come out of hibernation and start getting played again. I've said this before but the only good thing thats come out of sonys lack of interest in rangers is the fact that adepts are much easier to come by on the brokers now theres not so much demand for them.

[Artr]

<blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<DIV>48 Ranger on ButcherBlock here, I am also in a raiding guild, we have started dropping the 52+ grp 4 mobs, and I agree 100% what you say.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As a REQUIREMENT all bow classes in our guild MUST use tier 5 arrows for raids. Just to keep us honest. Unacceptable how much gold I drop EVERY raid (6gp per raid for grpx3, 9 for grpx4) multiply that by 6-7 raids a week, it adds up FAST</DIV><hr></blockquote>I would think that if your guild required you to have the arrows that they might offer up some help in buying them too. That seems like a load of crap to expect you to pay 36-63gp on just arrows, let alone all the drink, poisons, and whatever else you might need to use. But then I suppose their response is, "If you don't want to buy the arrows then don't come on the raid."

[Seyu]

<DIV> <DIV>Actually Assassins are even worse.  Rangers need to spend platinum daily to buy crushing arrows and only do the marginal amount of damage that wizards and warlocks can do and grin about it everyday. Assassins are the sometimes called the "Evil Rangers" but they don't even come close to what a ranger can dish out bow wise. No self buffs to increase ranged skill, several less bow abilities than a ranger, less damage on bows, ect. I can't honestly think of a class that's worse off for high level raids than the Assassin + Ranger class. Each class has their own perk to benefit the group/raid as a whole. Mana regen, group invis, 100% tank, wards, skills that severely decrease the mobs attacking abilities, ac/defense buffs for your tank, ect. Every single class in this whole entire game has abilities like this except Assassins/Rangers. (they do have a few defense/resistance debuffs but their potency are laughable. Don't even bother mentioning their "utility purposes" since most other classes can do the same thing/better like group invis and evac) They are 100% DPS only which is very good for level up groups but in high level raid mobs it's just a waste of a spot. Since I know this game is still in beta and will probably be for the next few years, I still have hope for these classes atm.</DIV> </DIV>

[CyberE]

<DIV>Umm.. arrows don't hit epic mobs. They get resisted, like everything else that is non-lore, including poisons of course. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Store bought indium arrows do more damage than PC crafted T5 arrows. =/ So if you had hopes, drop them. I tested. Crushing arrows do not do more damage, they just do a different damage type. The piercing hunting arrow I think, that thing does same damage as store bought fulginate arrows. Bodkin arrows? uhh that thing does slash damage, no damage increase. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are ... a pure dps class that sucks at doing dps. Like the man said, "pieces of [Removed for Content] with a bow fetish". =P </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Araze]

<DIV>I didnt realize we suck until I hit 40+</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In fact, we only suck at 40+</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-----</DIV> <DIV>As a scout and as a predator I rocked the world, I had the most fun in a game since early Eq1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As ranger 20 til 40 i started to see our lacking, but kind of was hoping for fixes along the way. At least there were classes that <STRONG>really </STRONG>sucked, really really.. conjurer for one - so i didnt complain.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, 47 levels and 49 days (20 of those in tradermode) since I first logged into EQ2, I have started to do some real raiding. And then it hit me in the face. I suck!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Preparing for raid. We were 1 too many - guess who they asked to drop for another tank. Yes, a ranger (not me this time) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone playing warlock? That class looks kinda cool, think im gonna make an alt, until my frustration have left teH building.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Arazeth on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:28 AM</span>

[Cex]

<DIV>Vindail Im not sure how your going through Stacks and stacks a day with your bow. The innate dps of even a pristine Cedar bow is still less than that of dual wield. The vast majority of mobs Ive encountered raiding, maximising dps meant Using Archery skills as a salvo once popped and returning to melee. Your absolutly dead on witht the crushing arrows but Ive yet to match mixed dps by doing an all out archery encounter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps Im missing some Uber raid dropped bow but I doubt it. It remains my opinion that archery is merely an anhancer to Melee for the ranger and not a viable combat style.</DIV>

[ri]

<DIV>How do i go through multiple stacks of arrows daily? my guild raids at least 4-5 mobs per a day with these new instances put in. With ae bowshot and attacks like tripple shot etc that use multiple arrows in 1 skill are part of it. Also im usually with an ench and lvl 50 inquis which add alot of haste when the inquis stuns himself for 49% haste to group. I also have a 41% worn haste in the end i use a ton of arrows if i want to even do decent dps.  Somebody asked how assassins do in epic raids. well for mobs they can hit they are just regular scouts  nothing special and for mobs that are best to use crushing against they are terrible</DIV>

[skylancer]

<DIV>Aye... begining to realise this at 44. Had great fun up t this pt.- but i couldnt even hit the fbss final 2 mobs with anything. We have just started raiding and it dont look good for 'ol skylancer.</DIV> <DIV>Maybe it would be nice if they put in a quest bow that works past 35... the last bow i got is still the one i'm using, good 'ol sureshot from op. green hood. It's way gray, and unfort there is only 1 guy making the pristine cedar and he wants 3 plat- way, way outta my league as i have never had more'n 50 gold....</DIV> <DIV>At any rate, is there a quest bow out there past sureshot/bloodlet? Antbody know?</DIV> <DIV>All the other classes have an uber lvl 50 quest weapon... ebbc, hierophants, etc...</DIV> <DIV>Someone at SoE really really hates rangers... maybe they were abused as children by aragon dunno...</DIV> <DIV>Why dont we have baby heals so we can solo anything that gives XP?</DIV> <DIV>Why no uber quest bow?</DIV> <DIV>Why cant we hit anything raid wise?</DIV> <DIV>Why does the evil equivalent blow us away hands down dps wise?(seetop 50 melle hits any server/worldwide)</DIV> <DIV>Why when they took mages equivalent spells off the same timer did they put MORE of ours on the same timer?</DIV> <DIV>(i used to used sneak attack (ad3)/whatever(the one thatstealths)/crippling blade... now sneak attack is on same timer as whatever)</DIV> <DIV>Whats with the 3 sec caston faliming shot / upgraded? WORTHLESS  bow skills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sigh...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zemeckis]

<DIV>I'm really torn whether to level my ranger anymore.  I'm 42 now and tryin to drop as much cash on fulginate and indium arrows as possible without going way over budget but its frustrating.  I've made many posts, checked all forums dealing with ranger subclass issues and sent in 4 or 5 feedbacks on Rangers and no dev has yet to make any kind of comment on this situation.  Honestly if I don't see something about Rangers being fixed (not including the couple things they're fixing this comin patch) on the Test Sever Updates within the next 2 weeks or so..it's bye bye ranger.  This was my favorite class in EQ1 and EQOA where the bow was really useful and didn't cause you to go broke, now it's hard to get on and grind with him now.  Thanks SOE.</DIV>

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> skylancer wrote:<BR> <DIV>Aye... begining to realise this at 44. Had great fun up t this pt.- but i couldnt even hit the fbss final 2 mobs with anything. We have just started raiding and it dont look good for 'ol skylancer.</DIV> <DIV>Maybe it would be nice if they put in a quest bow that works past 35... the last bow i got is still the one i'm using, good 'ol sureshot from op. green hood. It's way gray, and unfort there is only 1 guy making the pristine cedar and he wants 3 plat- way, way outta my league as i have never had more'n 50 gold....</DIV> <DIV>At any rate, is there a quest bow out there past sureshot/bloodlet? Antbody know?</DIV> <DIV>All the other classes have an uber lvl 50 quest weapon... ebbc, hierophants, etc...</DIV> <DIV>Someone at SoE really really hates rangers... maybe they were abused as children by aragon dunno...</DIV> <DIV>Why dont we have baby heals so we can solo anything that gives XP?</DIV> <DIV>Why no uber quest bow?</DIV> <DIV>Why cant we hit anything raid wise?</DIV> <DIV>Why does the evil equivalent blow us away hands down dps wise?(seetop 50 melle hits any server/worldwide)</DIV> <DIV>Why when they took mages equivalent spells off the same timer did they put MORE of ours on the same timer?</DIV> <DIV>(i used to used sneak attack (ad3)/whatever(the one thatstealths)/crippling blade... now sneak attack is on same timer as whatever)</DIV> <DIV>Whats with the 3 sec caston faliming shot / upgraded? WORTHLESS  bow skills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sigh...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The part I am really intersted in is that silly line that assasins out DPS us because they have thier Assasin's blade skill, that skill blows, it's a look at what I can do I can get my name on a list, skill and thats about it.</P> <P>Correct me if I'm wrong, but rangers are doing 1k + with Crippling blade right?  And it has the same 1 minute timer that the whole line has right?  So if you are in a Raid encounter, and the fight lasts lets say 10 minutes.  You can land 10 Crippling blades, to 2 Assasin Blades.</P> <P>10X1K = 10,000</P> <P>2X2.5K = 5,000</P> <P>See my point?  Assasin's look pretty, but they do not out damage Rangers based on the results of 1 skill.  I know I'm only 33 but lets pretend for a second that I have been playing this class since the onset of the game, i just didn't spend hours and hours every day, mindlessly grinding levels to race to 50, and find out thier wasn't enough end game content to keep me interested, I instead chose to enjoy the content that was relevent to my level.</P> <P>I out parsed an Assasin 4 levels higher then me using Fulginate arrows 9 out of 10 encounters, now wither he just blew, or, like I stated aboev about the timer on thier one mass damage skill, thier DPS withoutis average at best, when they do land it, they own me, with out it, I own them.  </P> <P>Flame away uber Raiders go ahead, ain't the first time that I've been flamed by you guys, won't be the last.  if you hate the class so much, make a Wizzy, go buy WoW, wait in line and find out that sucks too.</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and let me add, as soon as a guild made me spend 70g a day to raid, my [Removed for Content] would be out the door, if they want that, they can buy it, show me one other class that would have to spend that in order to raid with you guys, it's not there.  Looks like your raiding with a bunch of dinks.  </P> <P>Suggestion:</P> <P>/ooc 50 Ranger LF Guild PST<BR></P> <p>Message Edited by GoNomar on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:00 AM</span>

[Merkad]

GoNomar, greetings, I just wanted to add one quick correction to your post, one that I see alot of people making. Assassin's Blade and Condemning Blade != our Crippling Blade line. Assassins have their own skill line that does equal our Crippling Blade, at 24 it is Ebon Blade, at 38 it is Bloodthirster. So, basically, Assassin's Blade and Condeming Blade are attacks they can do in addition to meeting our Crippling Blade. Which is 1 big hit every 5 minutes. Not terribly much, but clearly more than us when added to their similar skill line.I honestly see no reason an Assassin should not outdamage us, since they do have the additional attack, but regardless, I think they, like us, are subpar.Merkades

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Merkades wrote:<BR>GoNomar, greetings, I just wanted to add one quick correction to your post, one that I see alot of people making. Assassin's Blade and Condemning Blade != our Crippling Blade line. Assassins have their own skill line that does equal our Crippling Blade, at 24 it is Ebon Blade, at 38 it is Bloodthirster. So, basically, Assassin's Blade and Condeming Blade are attacks they can do in addition to meeting our Crippling Blade. Which is 1 big hit every 5 minutes. Not terribly much, but clearly more than us when added to their similar skill line.<BR><BR>I honestly see no reason an Assassin should not outdamage us, since they do have the additional attack, but regardless, I think they, like us, are subpar.<BR><BR>Merkades<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>With Fulginate arrows I currently hit for mid 500's with Snipiing Shot, if Triple Shot lands all three times it can do close to 600-800 total damage.   All I'm saying is that I have consistently out parsed just about every Assasin in my level Range (using Combat Stats), anytime that an Assasin either got a resist on AB, or was waiting for it to refresh, I owned him, when he landed it (once every 3 encounters or so) he owned me.  Again its a cute looky at what I can do, I can get my name on a list skill, and not much more.  It's functionality is significantly depleted by its refresh timer of 5 minutes.  There is a serious misconception that Assasins are the End all be-all melle super-duperstars.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's just not true, alot of it has to do with the "Driver behind the wheel", and since I'm the greatest thing to walk Norrath since Ella Foodcrafter...........just kidding.  I just feel obligated to let people know that while assasins still = good DPS (not nearly as much a i think was intended), that one skill should not be used as the benchmark for over DPS, when they realistically they can only land it once every 3-4 encounters.  I just feel we are alot more consistent, you kow really exactly what your going to ge from us.  Hopefully this "fix"  that Devs have spoken of to all scout classes is addressed soon, and we can all proudly come out of sneak and scream  hip-hip-hooooooooorrraayy!!!!!!!!    </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>