Bow Damage just isn't what it should be..

[Tolerable]

<DIV>If you look at our melee weapons, in the 20ish range, they are like 5-15 damage and I hit in the 150-200's fairly regularly with Shadow Blade, our best CA by far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, look at the Damage of a good bow, like 15-128 etc... Using Backshot, my best hit so far is 190ish..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would seem to me that with the max dmg being well over 100 more on the bow that the Bow damage would be capable of blowing away the melee damage and it just isnt so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not to mention at 23 Ranger only have Back shot, Open Shot and Wounding Arrow or whatever for bow specials. Anyone think Rangers Bow damage will ever be so we can justify going Ranged as our primary attacks during combat, in a group setting?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Melee wise it seems the other scout subs are leaving us in the dust DPS-wise in melee, I just hope that the Rangers class defining CA's (90% Archery) are not as disappointing as they are atm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Talamas </DIV> <DIV>23 Ranger</DIV>

[bli]

<DIV>As far as backshot not serving well; I've seen people hit for 250 with it, which is more than Shadowblade usualyl does.  Additionally, remember that shadow blade was our SECOND high damage from stealth attack.  the first being Ambush.  Shadowblade, off the bat, did about twice as much damage as ambush did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, apply this model to the Bow.  Backshot is our first high damage positional bow attack.  The first upgrade in 14 levels will probably do at least double the damage..soo.. 500 or so?  Not so bad.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is ALL hypothetical..but it seems to make sense, if you look at the way the game is.</DIV>

[KingDrahl]

<DIV>What are you using for arrows?  I just changed the type of arrows I was using, from the cheap 2c tin to one of the 5c iron ones you buy from a vendor, and my back shot damage doubled from around 50 to well over 100.  I am only an 18 scout.  I also tried to craft my own arrows, tier 2 iron.  There are 2 types and they did far less damage then the vendor bought iron arrows.  Am also still using gregor's bow.</DIV>

[MillsFairchild]

At lvl 20, my current highest hit is from Back Shot - 240dmg. I'd say they're similar.

[Ren]

Both are mine are adept and my highest shadow blade was 330, on a Firerock Giant, and my highest backshot was 305 ( I belive ) also on a Firerock damage, both are comparable in damage. So I am still up in the air, I usually save bow attacks for harder mobs, and use melee on lesser, and still seem to outdamage any other scout class, except Assassin, however I expect with our bows at later levels, will outclass or match Assassin DPS.*Edit* Also our bows can do alot of damage really fast, and also over time, my group in TS wiped once, on 4 yellow mobs, I kited the mobs around there corpses with my bow, and slew them all in about 3-4 minutes. I am currently using a Firwood Short Bow.<p>Message Edited by Rents on <span class=date_text>12-04-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:22 AM</span>

[Kinlu]

<DIV><FONT face=Century size=2>At Adept I Backshot My highest hit was for 266 I believe, Shadowblade is only App II and I've hit for 266 as well.  I don't mind it, right now I've still been more melee oriented so I havent been fretting so much about lack of Ranger Abilities, then again its usually me and My roommate who plays a Templar, so I have to act like a Tank.  Anyways, I dont think there's a problem with Backshot, imo though.</FONT></DIV>

[Telam]

<DIV>I agree with that Rangers bow damage (at lvl 23) does not seem stand out to where a group wants a Ranger to use ranged instead of melee.  I hope that at later levels this will change and it will be to our and groups advantage that we do use ranged wepaons.  Though the bow does slightly higher hit than my melee, the melee goes much faster and I think that I can easly out DPS my range weapon with my dual weilding melee weapons.  I guess time will tell.  BTW you guys are getting a lot more powerful hits with your backshot than I am, but I am still too cheap to buy iron arrows...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Telamon Kinslayer</DIV> <DIV>Ranger in his 23rd season</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[FlimFlam]

<DIV>I do massive amounts of damage with my bow.  With 1 skill (Open Shot) I can hit up to 7 times, maybe even more.  I've done:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Open Shot (1st arrow)</DIV> <DIV>triggered Poison DD</DIV> <DIV>triggered Poison DoT damage</DIV> <DIV>triggered Swipe</DIV> <DIV>Open Shot (2nd arrow)</DIV> <DIV>triggered Poison DD</DIV> <DIV>triggered Poison DoT damage</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For get the numbers that went along with it, but I knocked an even con MOB down half HP before it got to me.  This was around level 18 or so, and I don't believe I was using the good arrows either (just figured out arrow type makes a difference).</DIV>

[Tolerable]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KingDrahlek wrote:<BR> <DIV>What are you using for arrows?  I just changed the type of arrows I was using, from the cheap 2c tin to one of the 5c iron ones you buy from a vendor, and my back shot damage doubled from around 50 to well over 100.  I am only an 18 scout.  I also tried to craft my own arrows, tier 2 iron.  There are 2 types and they did far less damage then the vendor bought iron arrows.  Am also still using gregor's bow.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I am using the Carbonite arrows from Makeshift.</P> <P>Carbonite are better than iron, right?</P> <P>My max melee hit with Shadow Blade is 330.</P> <P>My max melee hit with Back Shot and a Carbonite Arrow is 240.</P> <P>I am thinking and hoping in another 10 levels or so, our Bow specials will completely and utterly blow our melee specials away.</P>

[Ra]

<DIV>I dunno what the deal is, but my melee is not on par with other rangers.  My ranged on the other hand, is better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lv26 Ranger</DIV> <DIV>Max Melee 277</DIV> <DIV>Max Ranged 306</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[MillsFairchild]

This is still true at lvl 20. I was fighting giant kodiaks and about 75% of the time, they were down to <i>below</i> 50% of their health before they even got to me.

[Bulv]

<DIV>I use bow almost exclusively at level 21. </DIV> <DIV>I use ashwood bow and hit with adept 1 backshot for over 260 most of the time.  Each other shot tends to hit for between 60-100.</DIV> <DIV>I think this is really good considering i'm only level 21 - think about it- if you're hitting for this much more than other players now, imagine what level 30 and on will be like.</DIV>

[Grayf]

<blockquote><hr>Bulvei wrote:<DIV>I use bow almost exclusively at level 21. </DIV><DIV>I use ashwood bow and hit with adept 1 backshot for over 260 most of the time. Each other shot tends to hit for between 60-100.</DIV><DIV>I think this is really good considering i'm only level 21 - think about it- if you're hitting for this much more than other players now, imagine what level 30 and on will be like.</DIV><hr></blockquote>It gets worse. Adept1 backshot at level 26 *occasionally* does 250+, but more often is in the 130-160 range. Melee by far is more damaging at this level. I use my bow all the time in group fights, but more for the fun of it; it's better dps to just stay in melee all the time doing the shadowstrike/shadowflame combo. Hope it gets better later.

[LordTitan]

<DIV>Hi there,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Were any of you Rangers in EQ Live?  What kind of bow dmg did you do at lvl 10...20...30...50?  I played a ranger to 65 before I quit and before EQ, AM3...The bow just wasnt all that great.  Then Sony threw us a bone with Archery Mastery and there we were...Sitting way in the back of an encounter hitting for ungodly damage with our bows.  The majority of you posting here are complaining about low damage and you're around lvl 20.  Give it some time folks...you havent begun to realize the potential of our bows.  I have read the replies here and I too can do some crazy damage with my bow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At lvl 32, my Sniping Shot *can* do up to 400dmg and Triple Shot has the chance of landing up to 8 times around 70-90 damage each, then stay back there dont melee yet, throw in another 3 bow specials and you're looking at somewhere near 1000...1200 damage in the first 20 seconds of combat?  And I am only lvl 32!  I cant wait to see what I get at 40...45...50!  HUGE damage is ahead for us, we have excellent utility for a group...Sniping Shot actually slows the mob on a successful hit, we have bow specials that reduce a targets parry and riposte abilities, and at lvl 25 we get *Escape*  People...we are an awesome class to play, wait till you surprise your dying group with an evac to the zone line with no exp debt and everyone praises you...it'll make your week.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All I am getting at here is remember the old days of EQ Live.  Rangers used bows for stats and pulling.  We are already beyond any damage we could have ever done at lvl 30 in EQ.  Give it time gang, you'll love it more and more.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Highest Sniping Shot - 397</DIV> <DIV>Highest Shadow Blade - 368</DIV> <DIV>Using Feyiron Arrows (The *Rip* skill provides these arrows for you)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can barely be out damaged by a Rogue and thats  only if they get one of their 1k dmg backstabs to land.  Dont knock it!  It's only gonna get better!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maesyn of Oasis</DIV>

[Stormhawk]

<DIV>Rangers are meant to be deadly from whereever we choose to be.  I personally open fights with a massive onslaught of archery attacks ( The stuff you start to get past 25 is really nice ) then move into melee to do massive amounts of damage there.  Between our various forms of combat stealth and just starting the fight from stealth period, we can provide a near endless supply of high damaged attacks from both range and in their face.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bow damage is by no means underpowered, our ranged skills are just at the end of the update cycle so we don't start getting the heavy hitters til 25+.  Before 25 you are still basically a melee machine, much like Assassins.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Though currently my melee still exceeds my ranged, I think it is because I'm still using Makeshift Carbonite arrows because I'm cheap. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Stormhawk on <span class=date_text>12-06-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:00 PM</span>

[Chyad]

<DIV>I don't know if this applies but I noticed yesterday that iron arrows purchased from "merchants" and not bowyers (I haven't tested this everywhere) actually perform like tin arrows. At 19, while making the push to 20 yesterday I had a stack of iron arrows that I got from the merchants so-and-so in Willow woods and I was hitting for a <U>max</U> of 80 on my back shots. I couldn't figure out why my numbers were so low since the numbers I initially got with Backshot had been 100-150ish. I wrote if off to mob AC though and continued to fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When that stack ran out, I switched to a stack I had purchased from the Bowyer there and my <U>min</U> Backshot went to 99 and my max to 154. As soon as I dinged 20, I ran back to buy two more stacks to test this (on the exact same mobs) and the Merchant stack hit for 100-150ish and the Bowyer stack hit for 140-240ish. This is with Backshot Adept 1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I only mentined this because I've noticed that a lot of people who are complaining about low hits on the bow are posting similiar numbers to the Merchant stack listed above. I did a search to see if this had been mentioned but I didn't find anything so forgive me if this is a repeat of old info.</DIV>

[Sotaudi]

<DIV>I just boosted my Backshot and Shadow Blade to Adept 1 this weekend.  With my level 22 Ranger, I was able to break 300 a few times last night with Shadow Blade, but my average is more around 280 - 290.  I think the highest Backshot was just over 290, but I hit alot for around 286 or so.  That is using my Ranger bow and makeshift carbonite arrows.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So with comparable levels, they are doing about the same damage with the slight edge going to Shadow Blade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Keep in mind, however, if I use Shadow Blade in a solo situation, a typical fight will be:</DIV> <DIV>1) Move stealthed into position.</DIV> <DIV>2) Fire off Shadow Blade.</DIV> <DIV>3) The mob turns on me and I become unstealthed.</DIV> <DIV>4)  I fire off Lucky Break, Dirty Tricks, Impale, and Bleed as my starting sequence and to fire my first HO.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Starting Ranged:</DIV> <DIV>1) Move into position (stealth optional)</DIV> <DIV>2) Fire off Backshot.</DIV> <DIV>3) Fire off Wounding Arrow.</DIV> <DIV>4) Start backpedaling and queue up Open Shot.</DIV> <DIV>5) When Open Shot is ready to fire, stop, let it fire, then queue up Lucky Break, Dirty Tricks, etc.  to move into melee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So even if Backshot was not hitting for comparable damage to Shadow Blade, I can fire off two additional attacks before moving into the exact same follow up melee sequence as with Shadow Blade.  Including poison damage, this is likely well over an additional 200 points of damage if everything hits.  That means my best Shadow Blade so far at 310 pales in comparison to the, say, 486 cumulative damage from my ranged opening sequence.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was fighting blue conning Giant Kodiaks last night and they were typically down to half life by the time I started with the melee sequence.</DIV>

[Kaga]

<DIV>Level 42, I use bow a lot. Your bow damage is good. It get's better. </DIV>

[Zakael]

<DIV>Yeah bow gets better and better. I'm 34 and have done 350+ backshots and a 420 sniping shot so far.</DIV>

[michael_r]

<DIV>At lvl 22 using just the makeshift carbonite arrows + Prestine conditiond Ash longbow (dmg 17-83 del 7) i think bows are ok damage.</DIV> <DIV>Pulling lvl 20 mobs i sometimes get them down to 50% before they hit me.</DIV>

[michael_r]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kagara wrote:<BR> <DIV>Level 42, ... <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>:smileysurprised::robotsurprised:</DIV>

[MillsFairchild]

I was thinking more about this... and I decided to log my opening sequence of: Backshot -> Wounding Arrow -> Open Shot -> Ranged AttackYOUR Back Shot hits a plains snake for 179 points of piercing damage.YOUR Wounding Arrow hits a plains snake for 64 points of piercing damage.a plains snake tries to pierce YOU, but YOU parry.YOUR Open Shot hits a plains snake for 52 points of piercing damage.YOUR poison hits a plains snake for 35 points of poison damage.YOUR poison hits a plains snake for 26 points of poison damage.YOUR Open Shot hits a plains snake for 51 points of piercing damage.YOUR poison hits a plains snake for 35 points of poison damage.YOUR poison hits a plains snake for 26 points of poison damage.YOU hit a plains snake for 55 points of piercing damage.YOUR poison hits a plains snake for 35 points of poison damage.YOUR poison hits a plains snake for 26 points of poison damage.At level 21, that's 529 dmg before I even start in on my Melee attacks... the snake I was fighting was at about 45% health by this point. By comparison, if I had opened with Shadow Blade I would have done one attack for up to (if i'm lucky) 250 dmg and then started in with the same follow up sequence. Granted, the poison doesn't <i>always</i> stick, but if you're using the right kind it lands 80 - 90% of the time. BTW, all this is using my free makeshift carbonite arrows.

[bli]

<DIV>Also, something the original post implied which is incorrect, is that our bow specials should hit for more because the bow has a higher damage rating than our melee weapons.  This is important, so I'm gonna make it a seperate are.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Combat Art damage has NO correlation with weapon damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A 2-9 dmg dagger will shadowblade for JUST as much as a 5-19 dmg kris.  The CA deals a certain amount of damage based on your skill, strength, level and the CA's level.  Weapon is never factored -- the only time weapon is factored, is piercing debuffs like impale.  And then it's only weapon TYPE, not damage. </DIV>

[Jowa]

<DIV>I have adept 1 for both backshot and shadow blade, and Shadow Blade consistantly outdamge Backshot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Highest Shadow Blade: 333</DIV> <DIV>Highest Backshot: 275</DIV>

[bli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blitz wrote:<BR> <DIV>As far as backshot not serving well; I've seen people hit for 250 with it, which is more than Shadowblade usualyl does.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Additionally, remember that shadow blade was our SECOND high damage from stealth attack.  the first being Ambush.  Shadowblade, off the bat, did about twice as much damage as ambush did.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Now, apply this model to the Bow.  Backshot is our first high damage positional bow attack.  The first upgrade in 14 levels will probably do at least double the damage..soo.. 500 or so?  Not so bad.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is ALL hypothetical..but it seems to make sense, if you look at the way the game is.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>just a thought.  I love quoting myself, it saves typing :p</DIV><p>Message Edited by blitz on <span class=date_text>12-08-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:04 PM</span>

[Theo]

<DIV>HAHAH **mods 4 teh win!!1!** ur 42 ? i was 21 w/ my pally last week and rerolled him to make a ranger am lvl 16 w/ my ranger now and thinking of quitting because ur lvl 42 roflroflrofl **mods 4 teh win!!1!** man do u have a job ? i mean jesus christ the game has been out for just under a month and ur just about max lvl .. that wasnt intended the devs said for about 3 months at max play timeing ... anyway back to work // sigh</DIV>

[bli]

<DIV>Not so hard to get to 42 if you're an experienced gamer and put in 2 hours or so of exp'ing every night.  Not hard at all.</DIV>

[Theo]

<DIV>dood .. i have to put 10 hours of work in a day ... at least an hour or hour an a half total a day eating , sleeping time writeing songs on my guitar and that other 2 hours ur talking about ? goes right into my beautifull girlfriend every night <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> when i play eq on the weekends i play for hours my gear is way up to date. .. i just got dun looking at the boards and average lvl on just about every guild i looked at was around 20ish .. this guy is talking about bieng 20 lvls higher than the average thats just sick .. im not bashing .. more power to him for putting that much more time into the game .. i played eq 1 ... for like 3 years or so .. on and off when i wasnt doing anthing importiant .. i know all about lvl grindage and how much it sux .. am anyway just playing around w/ this guy .. no biggy eh ?? </DIV>

[bli]

<DIV>no biggy <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have a tendency to stick up for forum members that I'm familiar with, thats all.  *Grin*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah, EQ1 took a few years of my life, and I know where you're coming from with the guitar and the girlfriend (well, fiancee).  I just sneak in as much time as possible nights and weekends <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>friday night is a good night for me, since saturday usually doesn't start till noon anyway.</DIV>

[Aza]

back to topic... about bow damage... what kind of mobs were you fighting? skelletons for example seem to be resistant to pirce dmg while iron arrows do pierce for example... iron hunting arrows seem to be slash based so try those instead (i guess this is a fact for higher tier arrows too like carbonite or feyiron)

[Cex]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tolerable wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you look at our melee weapons, in the 20ish range, they are like 5-15 damage and I hit in the 150-200's fairly regularly with Shadow Blade, our best CA by far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, look at the Damage of a good bow, like 15-128 etc... Using Backshot, my best hit so far is 190ish..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would seem to me that with the max dmg being well over 100 more on the bow that the Bow damage would be capable of blowing away the melee damage and it just isnt so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not to mention at 23 Ranger only have Back shot, Open Shot and Wounding Arrow or whatever for bow specials. Anyone think Rangers Bow damage will ever be so we can justify going Ranged as our primary attacks during combat, in a group setting?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Melee wise it seems the other scout subs are leaving us in the dust DPS-wise in melee, I just hope that the Rangers class defining CA's (90% Archery) are not as disappointing as they are atm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Talamas </DIV> <DIV>23 Ranger</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>First of all you cant compare a special melee attack to a normal bow attack. I am now lvl 27 and I stand at optimum range from most fights. Optimum range is the narrow margin of distance where you are close enough to melee yet far enough to arch. Doing this I can easily rotate Back shote, Wounding arrow, and open shot  into my my key strokes/macros. I wont go so far as to say that normal archery is better than normal melee. I reality the math works out about the same. But even with similar dps your main focus will be melee for a lil while to come. I have however noticed most of the newer skills I have gotten that are melee have a VERY long range. It apears the skills are dropping in, in such a way as to be used from archery range. Things can only get better.</P> <P>Understand that a ranger is not the same thing as an archer. Rangers are masters of the outdoors and masters of most/all weapons. I think SOE has done a nice job capturing that and Im happy playing to their designs rather than [Removed for Content] about why they didnt do it the way I would have wanted.</P>

[Cex]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jowana wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have adept 1 for both backshot and shadow blade, and Shadow Blade consistantly outdamge Backshot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Highest Shadow Blade: 333</DIV> <DIV>Highest Backshot: 275</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> You are correct. I also have a higher Shadow blade max hit but Open shot consistently hits higher than Shadow Blade for me. In either case You should be using both not whining about which is better.

[Theo]

<DIV>great point cexia, .. like said before .. we are givn both type of skills bow and close range melee skill so that we can use both, and deff not complain wot one is better and wot one is worse .. do assasins get any decent bow skills after lvl 20? i dunno if they do im pretty sure they are just a stealthy backstabbing class .. and we get the option of doing a lil of both witch is cool</DIV>

[Kaga]

<DIV>Now, while I do agree that rangers should get a longer lasting archery buff, or make using the bow better more often... something I would like to see changed, is the min damage on a bow raised, or at least rangers get a bonus to it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our buff doesn't last but 30seconds, and with such a huge recast time, it doesn't really matter a whole lot. </DIV>

[Ambergr]

One thing to note is that you can use all the specials at the same time.There is a sweet spot just outside melee range where you can plink away with arrows.At this particular spot, however, you can use all the melee specials as well. The only irritation is that auto-attack tends to restart melee rather than missile <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />While shootingg bow it is thus quite easy to do (at 26) the following without moving an inchHidden shotCornerPierceWounding shot (mob is now as debuffed as we can manage)Back shotBleedImpaleStalkShadow lungeShrouded strikeShadowflameOpen ShotStalkrepeat process as attacks are now re-available.This seems appreciably higher damage than melee, since it makes all specials available and no real time waiting for recycle except potentially backshot and shadow lunge

[Kaga]

<DIV>Now, while I do agree that rangers should get a longer lasting archery buff, or make using the bow better more often... something I would like to see changed, is the min damage on a bow raised, or at least rangers get a bonus to it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our buff doesn't last but 30seconds, and with such a huge recast time, it doesn't really matter a whole lot. </DIV>

[MillsFairchild]

To throw fuel on the fire, I parsed out my session from last night. I'm lvl 22, and here's what my actual damage was:Your <b>Shadow Blade</b> hit 19 times; total: 2815, <b>avg: 148</b>.Your Impale hit 99 times; total: 7292, avg: 73.Your Shrouded Strike hit 20 times; total: 1418, avg: 70.Your Ringing Blow hit 74 times; total: 4890, avg: 66.Your Ambush hit 2 times; total: 118, avg: 59.Your Pierce hit 112 times; total: 5457, avg: 48.Your Sneak Attack hit 3 times; total: 120, avg: 40.Your Quick Strike hit 28 times; total: 657, avg: 23.Your Bleed hit 237 times; total: 5240, avg: 22.Your <b>Back Shot</b> hit 25 times; total: 3674, <b>avg: 146</b>.Your Wounding Arrow hit 19 times; total: 1038, avg: 54.Your Open Shot hit 18 times; total: 973, avg: 54.Your poison hit 289 times; total: 8231, avg: 28.Your Swipe hit 41 times; total: 720, avg: 17.As a side note, I was somewhat surprised to learn that my poison (8231) and the direct damage, not even counting the debuff value, done by Impale (7292) are my most damaging skills (outside of normal melee). I'd always noticed the numbers were big, but I never knew just how much impact these two things had on my DPS. In case anyone is curious, I was using Mordant Goo. And the funny thing is, that I actually didn't have it applied for about about 30% of the fights I was logging. I can only imagine it's damage would have exceeded 10,000 if I had kept it up... blowing away the dmg done by anything else I have.<p>Message Edited by MillsFairchild on <span class=date_text>12-12-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:29 AM</span>

[Aza]

uhm... where do i get this parser? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MillsFairchild]

Actually, Sandheaver from the forums here wrote a quick Perl script to do the parsing. You can get it from:<a href="http://www.naikrovek.org/stuff/parser.txt" target=_blank>http://www.naikrovek.org/stuff/parser.txt</a>

[Thesp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tolerable wrote:<BR> <DIV>Anyone think Rangers Bow damage will ever be so we can justify going Ranged as our primary attacks during combat, in a group setting?<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>This was never meant to be the case. Ranged was meant to be used maybe a couple shots per fight and then you run in and melee.<BR>

[Ren]

You know, its not the damage from skills themselves thats the problem, but the bow at a stand alone, my longbows max damage is 140 or so, and you know, I rarely hit for over 60 with it, and thats with carbonite arrows, it seems that the calculation with your bow and arrow type is wierd, or misleading, as for damage, at 28, I can do well over 600 in 5 seconds standing a few yards back and using my bow abilitys, tripleshot master with decent poison is about 200, then back shot adept for another 300, and hidden shot app3 for another 200, which I will expect to do more, once I start getting more levels under my belt.As was said earlier in this post, I see only rangers getting better and better as levels increase, I just wish for the fact that there weren't so many :/ , but I think thats just bow envy, or something <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Theo]

<DIV>theres allways a ranger crave it will go away eventually and another crave will pop up. we gotta remember that this a emense community and like  most other communities we have trends as well as far as kag's statement .. we deff need an increas on the min bow dmg</DIV>