Disarming traps needs serious serious help Devs

[Winzen-Stor]

<DIV> <DIV>At no point did I recieve enough chests to drop at any given lvl to raise skill in it. Now I am the highest ranger world wide and can not unlock any chests. Even killing blue/green con mobs I cant not disarm chests.I shoudl not be penalised nor shoudl any other scout for playing the way they liek and at the pace they like. I have heard the same complaint from other scouts this needs immediate attention Devs so my tank will stop dying from those traps. Giver us back auto skill raise or soemwhere we cna practice at in the cities please help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Winzen Stormz</DIV> <DIV>lvl 26 ranger</DIV> <DIV>initiate undead/gnoll slayer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ignor typos</DIV></DIV>

[isildursbane3]

<DIV>Not to contradict you or start an argument, but I've only ever failed once in disarming a trap and that was on the isle of refuge.  I am not the highest level scout in the word or anything near it, but I also haven't encountered a million chests to level up on.  I do get a few here and there, but nothing worth getting excited about.  I was just curious what your rank in disarm was right now?  Mine has built up with my levels, and since entereing Freeport I have yet to encounter a trap I couldn't disarm.  So I guess in a sense I am agreeing with you, if you were disarming traps throughout all of your adventures, your character should be up to a level even with the monsters and drops you are facing.  I know this is a pain, but if you group with a lower level PC, are you able to get drops then off of hounds etc. in the common lands which you could build up on?  I wish I could help you with more suggestions, I'm having the same problem with mining etc. so I see how you are frustrated.  I guess your only option is to try to find a way to build it, it should build fast if it is outdated, since I doubt SOE is going to be changing the system any time in our characters lifetimes :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best of luck with this!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Melkorayth  </DIV>

[Kaga]

<DIV>this is fixed</DIV>

[Irish]

<DIV>I'm w/ you windz, this needs some attention.  As for the second post, its not that we fail in disarming traps, its that the option to disarm simply isnt there due to level gaps b/t our disarm skill and the traps lvl.  Im currently lvling in thundering steppes and not one chest dropped have i been able to disarm. It sucks plain and simple, i feel a bit gimped because of it, what's the point of the skill if you cant lvl it.</DIV>

[Kaga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Irishly wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm w/ you windz, this needs some attention.  As for the second post, its not that we fail in disarming traps, its that the option to disarm simply isnt there due to level gaps b/t our disarm skill and the traps lvl.  Im currently lvling in thundering steppes and not one chest dropped have i been able to disarm. It sucks plain and simple, i feel a bit gimped because of it, what's the point of the skill if you cant lvl it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>is this since this morning's patch? they said they fixed it in the patch notes.</DIV>

[Savantst]

Regardless of it being fixed or not, I think the underlying issue is chest drop rate to practice on..I would think that a 40 - 50% chest rate would be good and allow scouts to get their skills up.. To avoid "too many items" and the like, decide if the chest will have 'items' based on the current "chest drop" frequency, and if it's gonna have no item, drop in a few copper? Even though it will seem trivial to other classes, it needs to be done to allow scouts a viable method for leveling the skill. If 40% is too much, then at a minimum 2x more than it currently is, with 1/2 the time being empty? -something-It is pretty pathetic that at 15th level I have more traps than not that I couldn't disarm.. Now I will get a chance at skill increase, but get blown up in the process? with as few chest drops as there are, I'd have to harvest green mobs for days and days OUTSIDE of normal play just to try and work my skill, and at 15th level, that's a lot of work even on "all chest at least have the option now" given the low drop rate.Another good fix idea might be to have -all- chests locked, but not trapped. Have a bash option on them for non-scout types.. that way we at least get a chance to practice on -every- chest, not just some (even though the disarm option comes up, I'm sure the skill mod check only is looked at if it also has a trap.. not all chests have traps).Anyway, very valid concern even WITH a "now you can always try" option. Higher level chests will kill you much faster than at lower levels.. it's crazy to have "lock pickers" that can't pick a lock because they can't work their skills.. *shrug*

[bli]

<DIV>it might be easier to just tweak down the chest # required to increase 1 skill point in Disarm.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Bran]

<DIV>Updates notes indicate that this has been changed.  Disarm is now a level skill... not a practice skill. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Bii]

yeah I'm level 15 and well...kinda sucks not being able to disarm ANYTHING...but whatever...I usually just back away from the chest and let my group open it. they get hurt and I'm left pain free. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[bli]

<DIV>haha.  That's the spirit, Bil!</DIV>

[Savantst]

<blockquote><hr>Branix wrote:<DIV>Updates notes indicate that this has been changed. Disarm is now a level skill... not a practice skill. </div><DIV> </div><DIV> </div><hr></blockquote>Yes, but what does that mean? and I thought I saw that text with respect to Tracking, not Disarm Traps.. For the Traps info, I thought it say "Scouts will be given the opportunity to disarm every chest even if their skill level is below the trap level. The trap will go off but the Scout will get a chance at skill increase".. I could be mistaken, but those would be two different skills (practice on track vs disarm), and, that -still- doesn't address not having enough chests overall to reasonably level up disarm skills..Also, to whom ever suggested lowring the number of chest attempts to skill up.. That's all fine and good, but with the number of chests dropped currently (from my expiernece and never seeing disarm skill go up), you would have to set the chance for increase to 33% - 50% .. Personally, I"d rather have "more chests to try on" than "better chance to increase skill" from an imersion stand point. Even though it's a right-click thing, it makes people want Scouts more if there are more chests, trival contents or not. More booms/traps means more down time without a Scout.. a good thing for overall interdependancy, if you ask me..

[Tollanthas]

<DIV>I don't think anything was fixed.  I disarmed about 10 box's tonight and skilled 3 times.  While a guildmate said she disarmed over 20 and didn't skill up once.  I think it is still like it was.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am at 54/70 Disarm Trap by the way at level 14.</DIV>

[Kaga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tollanthas wrote:<BR> <DIV>I don't think anything was fixed.  I disarmed about 10 box's tonight and skilled 3 times.  While a guildmate said she disarmed over 20 and didn't skill up once.  I think it is still like it was.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am at 54/70 Disarm Trap by the way at level 14.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I feel your pain, I am at 57/123...

[MaenaBowy]

<DIV>They didn't "fix" anything.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They just added a suicide option for higher level scouts, that will probably be forced on them by their groupmates now that they have the option to attempt a fatal disarming.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now if a failed disarm does a fraction of the damage that opening it does, so it's capped at maybe 25% of the recievers total health, and any debuffs last for maybe a minute, instead of 15 or whatever, then I'd say we've got a real "fix".  Disarming may not be the automatic insta-safe thing it is now when (not if) your skill fails to keep up, but it's a good bit better than just popping open the chest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and in response to those who haven't yet seen the problem...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't either, but it's fairly obvious it's coming.  Until you hit level 10, your disarm automatically goes up as you level.  It isn't until lvl 10 that you need to start getting skillups.  I'm already halfway through 10, and have yet to see a single skillup... stretch that sort of progression further, and it won't be too much longer before it becomes a fairly useless skill... unless something (well, other than giving scouts the option to kill themselves on fatal chests) is done about it.</DIV>

[bli]

<DIV>I didn't get my first skillup till level 13 about midway through, so be prepared to wait a good long while.</DIV>

[Talnon]

<DIV> <DIV>I'm a lvl 17 pred, up until this point I've only seen the disarm skill go up ONE point, and that was last night.</DIV></DIV>

[redsuns]

<DIV>After reading a couple posts, I started disarming every chest i possibly could.  Right now i seem to be at around 60/75 ?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It goes up maybe 1/5 give or take.  It seems like all the other skills, rather slow coming.  For ever night tho, there are a lot of chests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>::shrug::</DIV>

[Made]

<DIV>My skill is increasing really well atleast a point every 2 or 3 chests.  However every group Im in gives me the hardest time because the trap goes off everytime.  Not just 1 out of 10 or even 2 out of 3 but EVERY SINGLE TIME.  Makes me sick and feel like a **ZOMG**.  Already getting grief on this and I feel like we should all get adjusted to our level since the fix, and go from there leveling.  Like level 10 get 50 skill auto and level 20 get 100.  I mean atleast give us a chance to impress with that skill.  Instead of having your entire group mezzed with 10% health pointing and laughing at you with your picklocks in hand <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>LOL it is kinda of funny that its everytime though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Verikor</DIV> <DIV>20th Ranger - Guk</DIV> <DIV>Kerran</DIV>

[NightFalc]

<DIV>I dont think so, I fail alot but the skill is going up!</DIV>

[Fou]

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=3>It used to be 'let the scout' disarm the chest.  Even last night almost every chest I opened went off...  if that continues, the groups are just going to say 'screw it' and have whom every open it and have the healer ready to heal if they can.</FONT></DIV>

[Aarkan]

Yeah, before the patch I was able to disarm every chest I saw fine. I ran up and disarmed traps on strangers chests too. Though since the patch i've had huge disco light shows mes my group, poision gas debuff us for 15min, gigantic icicles impale us and probably some other things too. I do get skillups every 3-4 about but I've only successfully disarmed one chest out of probably a dozen. This doesn't seem like it's working very well.

[NightFalc]

<DIV>It is because your opening chests in tough areas....I was in the caves gathering rescources and everyone went off perfect and skil went up almost constantly so its just that you need to get your skills higher not that it is bugged</DIV>

[Nalamon]

No, no its not broken really, but they hurt the Scouts that started the game from the start, because you didn't get much disarm exp for disarming, before the last patch i rarely blew traps but now i do most of the time. I have worked my skill up to 72 in disarm so i'm noticing its happening less and less, but still to often for my liking.Kylik20 RangerLucan D'lere

[Loli]

<DIV>I rarely seen any skillup's.</DIV> <DIV>Even when I run around in newbie zones and disarm the traps I haven't seen many skill-up's at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I'll live with it :smileysad:</DIV>

[Elenden]

<DIV><FONT face=Century size=3>Whenever I come across another group or solo that doesn't have a scout, I disarm chests.  Every little bit helps.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Level 26?  I'm having a tough time finding groups to help with leveling!  I want us to be of great value and gimping the exploding chests so anyone could open it would be really bad.  Perhaps SOE needs to fix the disarm skill or maybe they already did, but either way, I hope it keeps us as a valuable commodity.</FONT></DIV>

[Jowa]

<DIV>I am **ZOMG** sure they didn't fix it.  I am level 19 now and my disarm only 70/96.  And yes, it will still going up as I disarm (about 1 point per 3 chests)</DIV>

[Truearch]

<DIV>The traps on those chest's have given me the worse Kill vs death ration ever !</DIV> <DIV>But finally my skill is almost catching up to my lvl its at 70+ something and i am soon lvl 21... ( not quite catching up now is it ? )</DIV>

[ExitStrate]

<DIV>The problem I see is that your skill can get behind your max skill and you have almost 0 hope of getting it up.   I am at 55/80something and I am about 0 for 10 for last few attempts.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The problem is that you can [Removed for Content] your character with almost no hope of getting caught up.   Heck I was in a group today with another disarmer and it just generated annoyance with each other because the chests are so rare and hard to train.   **ZOMG** are we supposed to do at this point?  As far as I can tell there are no chests I can reliably open, grey monsters dont seem to drop chests, and when I solo I cant take out the groups necessary to level disarm.   When I group I generally just make better exp and exacerbate the problem because I keep outleveling my skill.   I just made 2 levels and got maybe 1 point of increase?   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The problem is bad and getting worse as I level.   They fixed nothing.</DIV>

[Nhoba]

<DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings.vm?serverId=" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings.vm?serverId=</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Scroll down until you get to "NPC That Has Made The Most Kills"...  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/starts whistling the "One of these Things, Is Not Like the Other" song from Sesame Street.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Nhobah1 on <span class=date_text>11-23-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:16 PM</span>

[Vimy]

<blockquote><hr>Nhobah1 wrote:<DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings.vm?serverId=" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings.vm?serverId=</A></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Scroll down until you get to "NPC That Has Made The Most Kills"... </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>/starts whistling the "One of these Things, Is Not Like the Other" song from Sesame Street.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Nhobah1 on <span class=date_text>11-23-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:16 PM</span><hr></blockquote>lol! Almost spilled coke on my keyboard. Wonder how long it will hold at #2...

[Te]

<DIV>The only advice I can give you if no one else done it yet. Is like iv had to do cuz some groups in my early scout years didnt let me disarm so I got the skill up was to later solo and then disarm the chests there to be able to practise, long and dreary work I promise you. :smileymad:</DIV>

[Dieg]

It's funny you say that. Im level 17 pred with 71 in disarm, and i fail 90% of the time recently. its an annoyance when the scout can't do their job. maybe im just unlocking the wrong stuff <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Neec]

<DIV>Well im level 24 and kill Named bosses all the time in groups i cant remember the last time i failed my current disarm skill is 115, con orange ^^ mobs drrop chests (level 26 chests) and i open them al lthe time without any trouble.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I died a few times at lower levels  from traps but hardly have any problem now..   (i think your agility also affects your lockpicking skill cuz with 115 agil i never seem to fail)  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even when you fail to pick a lock your skill still goes up, jsut go round killing named mobs or mobs that drop chests all the time,  i got my skill up reliable as i leveled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chest Deaths tho are not MAINLY scouts they are NON scout classes who just open chest without trying to disarm.. I have seen NINJA looters in groups charge in setting of traps befoer scouts have tried to disarm..    I just think its your skill levels i personally havent found anything wrong with Disarm.. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Neecha on <span class=date_text>11-27-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:31 PM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chest Deaths tho are not MAINLY scouts they are NON scout classes who just open chest without trying to disarm.. I have seen NINJA looters in groups charge in setting of traps befoer scouts have tried to disarm..    I just think its your skill levels i personally havent found anything wrong with Disarm.. </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Neecha on <SPAN class=date_text>11-27-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh how many groups have I been in WITH THE LOTTO SET, and yet still someone in the group INSISTS upon opening that chest and blowing up everyone. Its worse if your in a group and the tank talks all day about assist, but then he pops a chest after the kill. Ugh! I hate having to tell ppl to leave the chest to the scout classes, but sometimes, it just has to be said. </P> <P>As far as chest go, I seem to improve more often when I blow a disarm then when I succeed. Maybe Im wrong, but thats how it seems. I believe Im 76/100? Oh the flip side, I can say that Ive never died from opening a chest, nor as anyone in any group Ive been in where I failed a disarm. Came close to death one, a smidge of red health left, but that was it and it was only on me. Thank the heavens.</P> <P> </P> <P>Nesse</P> <P>20 Ranger, Dark Elf</P> <P>Oasis<BR></P>

[winddra]

<DIV>Yes disarm needs help. The best idea I have read mentioned for this is to have more locks on doors and things to disarm. This would add more to the quests we are doing and provide much needed training as we level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[T]

<DIV>By now im lvl 18 and my disarm skill is at 68/ 9x (dont remember exactly atm, im at work, but it something around 90). EVERY chest i try to disarm the trap on explodes. Every last one so far in the last weeks. </DIV> <DIV>I remember ONE cherst that i disarmed succesfully, but that was a small one. The big chests always hit the group with me disarming. My mates use to make jokes about it, and its okay, i understand that, but in higher levels its gotta be a quite an obstacle, if half the group dies in result of my lousy disamring skill. I get better at disarming, sure, but I do not benefit from the skill advancement, because its always under the requirement for the traps im disarming. By now i am prolly able to disamr lvl 14-16 chest successfuly, but I am hunting higher now. like lvl 18-22 i guess. </DIV> <DIV>Maybe Im doing something wrong. Im not the kind of guy who considers himself to be the Überdewd, and I dont get angry when someone tells me he couldgive me some advice. =)</DIV> <DIV>So any suggestions are welcome to me )</DIV> <DIV>I tried chasing lower groups and offer to disarm their traps asa a chest drops but with no luck, most of them dont even answer my offer. The other just open them W/o disarming. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pls somebody tell me how to raise my skill w/o wasting my precious time on satnding around in lowie zones for nothing. </DIV><p>Message Edited by TcK on <span class=date_text>11-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:50 AM</span>

[Celen]

<P>I have not once had this problem that you speak of.. I've disarmed chests since the day I found the skill, @ lvl 9 or so over in Oakmyst, I've been lvling with friends up to 23 now, and disarming is capped, And I have not failed a disarm since I gained 90someodd disarming in Thundering Steppes.. </P> <P>General piece of advice for disarming: Let the party know. I've had people die due to not letting me disarm, and opening mid-combat.. Traps don't effect the whole party when you fail a disarm very often, from my experiences of failed disarms.</P> <P> If you have low skill and the other ranger got capped disarm, ask them to not disarm if it's ok with the PT <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> They will most likely be happy about helping you out sooner or later <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (Or just disarm really fast so the other rng can't disarm =p )</P><p>Message Edited by Celenia on <span class=date_text>11-29-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:34 AM</span>

[Meir]

It's NOT fixed. As a level 20 ranger I cannot disarm anything and I've had plenty of opportunities. I think my skill has went up 2 points the entire time. It's pathetic that I have to nearly kill myself and my group just to open a chest. We always make jokes about it but it's a serious issue that needs to be looked at. Heck even mobs 5 levels lower than me that drop chests cannot be disarmed.

[Neec]

<DIV>Have to say i havent had 1 fail for a long time now cant remember last disarm failure, at 25 my skill is maxed, i find more chests per level than i need to keep my skill maxed.</DIV>

[Melon]

<DIV>Iv had the problem, but now that iv reached lvl 20 and my disarm skill is higher (about 80 odd). I am only having trouble disarming about a third of the traps that i get.  I think the main problem is from lvl's 7 to 18, and then it balances out properly.  Just my thoughts.</DIV>

[Tsoth]

<blockquote><hr>Meirra wrote:It's NOT fixed. As a level 20 ranger I cannot disarm anything and I've had plenty of opportunities. I think my skill has went up 2 points the entire time. It's pathetic that I have to nearly kill myself and my group just to open a chest. We always make jokes about it but it's a serious issue that needs to be looked at. Heck even mobs 5 levels lower than me that drop chests cannot be disarmed.<hr></blockquote>Concure, this has not been fixed. Almost died twice, did 6 chests and only one success, I did gain 2 points but I'm at a 70 skill (mostly from killing MANY badgers). Chests being the second most leathal thing in the game is just wrong <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kinlu]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>I think the problem has to do with the player.  It seems some people havent had any problems with disarm.  I've seen a fair amount of Chests, and I used to disarm them without any problems.  But as I got higher in level, (around 15 or 16 Pred) It got worse, right now I think my skill is about 82/105 as a 20 Ranger, and a chest drops off an even mob, I have no chance of disarming it.  As an example today, took 728 dmg from the trap, died.  Didnt have a chance.  Now lower level chests, I can disarm without a hitch, but when it comes to anything even...I tell my group to step back about 100 paces.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>(On a side not my disarm skill goes up every time I attempt to disarm a chest.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc0000 size=2>Kinluil takes 728 damage from a trapped chest.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#cc0000 size=2>You have died</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffffff size=2>Your disarm skill improves (7<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Kinluil on <span class=date_text>12-02-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:21 AM</span>

[Boza]

<DIV>Telling your group to back up will do no good.  The chest damage hits everyone in the group, regardless of where they are.  I've had groupmates take damage on the completely other side of Thundering Steppes when I fail a disarm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I agree with this thread, disarm is primarily useless beyond level 15 or so.  I successfully disarm a trap about once every 20 tries.  The rest of the time, the tank might as well open the chest.  </DIV>

[Jana]

<DIV>I am not sure if they recently stealth patched disarm trap or not, but for the last week or so I have been seeing far more successes in disarming traps.  I am now lvl 21, my disarm skill is around 80, and I have been succeeding on over 3/4's of my attempts.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Additionally, one way I have minimized the impact of the disarm trap inconsistency is to always wait until the entire party is full health before attempting the disarm.  When I do that, no party member has died.   I used to only wait until the party was all close to full health, but I changed that procedure when I blew up a trap and died because I only had 560 of my 590 health and the trap decided to blow up for 585 pts of damage.  </DIV>

[Fou]

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>23 days later and I'm still failing disarms probably 90+% of the time.  I have gotten a few skill ups, but... again.  It just feels like it's not much different than anyone else opening up a chest in the group.  It's kinda embarassing to request that the scout get to open the chests, need the skill ups, have the skill etc.  and then have nearly every one of them blow up, often damaging the rest of the party.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>I'll keep at it though...</FONT></DIV>

[Ra]

<DIV>Yeah it was definately stealth patched.  I have noticed a huge change, not only in success rates, but skill ups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think its finally fixed.  Now everyone just needs to play catchup.</DIV>

[Neec]

<DIV>Nothing is patched just luck on skills when they go up every single time you use the skill it has a chance to go up its like mining you can mine 10 rock get no increase in skill then get 3 in a row.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I found that from </DIV> <DIV>1-15 i had no problems with chests..</DIV> <DIV>15-22 had a few blow up had about 40% disarm rate</DIV> <DIV>22-25 100 % sucess </DIV> <DIV>25 -26 hunting in RoV (Chests from level 32 mobs) blew up a lot</DIV> <DIV>27 on 100 % sucess rate on 32 mob drop chests.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All way thru my skill has been maxed.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think its based on Agility and Disarm Skill i have only found chasts that blow up to be chests  a LOT higher level than me..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>at level 20 your stil la noob in disarming stil llearning skill and profession dont expect perfection yet... tats something you have to work at.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Amelia Decker]

<DIV>As far as I can tell, it's still broken.  I have tried to disarm every chest that I've ever had drop.  We're talking hundreds of chests by this point.  I can honestly say that I can count the number of successes on my fingers (maybe with one hand only).  Not only does it fail 99% of the time, but it doesn't seem to level up very fast either.  I think I have level 80 or soemthing, but I'm a lvl 26 Ranger.  It's not like I can try to level up on easy chests, as grey mobs don't drop them.  Maybe if I mentor some noob or something....</DIV>

[Tr]

Level 50 ranger, I haven't once failed to disarm a trap since I was in the low 20s in TS. Only problems I had then were because of low skill, and once it raises up you never fail.

[MaenaBowy]

<DIV>As far as I'm aware, it's very straightforward.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Each chest has a skill req based on the level of the mob.</DIV> <DIV>If your skill is high enough.  You disarm the chest</DIV> <DIV>If your skill is not high enough.  You blow up the trap.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No randomness to it.  All they did in that patch however long ago was add the ability to blow yourself up (and get a chance at a skillup) if your skill wasn't high enough for the "automatic succeed".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, any scout that, for whatever reason, (sharing chests with other scouts, bad luck, gaining major exp from quests, whatever) hasn't been able to keep his disarm skill maxed, (or close to it) will pretty much blow up every chest he sees.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Personally?  My disarm skill has maintained a fairly consistant 50 points below my skill cap, so I'm disarming like a scout 10 levels lower, and thus... predictably, every chest goes BOOM.  I keep thinkin' about turning off exp and just grindin' chests... but I have yet to actually be killed by one, and the whole reason I'm out killing things is so I can wear better fancy clothes, (fancy clothes requiring, stupidly enough, you be a high level adventurer to wear)</DIV>

[Ijiamee]

<DIV>Nothing is broke, your skill isn't high enough. I haven't set off a trap in 20 levels. And yes, I spent my first 20 levels blowing the hell out of myself on traps, just like you.</DIV>

[Amelia Decker]

<DIV>So your definition of not broke is to have a skill be entirely worthless untill you're level 50?  I guess disarming every chest I've ever found (and having every single one, give or take 10, explode on me) isn't good enough to make full use of this non-broken skill.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, it's a moot point.  SOE agrees that it's broken and are intending to fix it soon, so that it levels up at a reasonable pace.</DIV>

[ThePlotThicke]

<DIV>There's an issue with disarming?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm lvl 45 now and I havn't set off a trap since they "fixed" disarming when I was lvl 25ish...  I actually made a comment to an assasin in my group last night that they took all the fun out of disarming since it's a 100% success now, or so i thought.  After 20 lvls of nothing but successes, I just assumed it was almost impossible to fail...</DIV>

[jordaann]

<blockquote><hr>Ijiamee wrote:<DIV>Nothing is broke, your skill isn't high enough. I haven't set off a trap in 20 levels. And yes, I spent my first 20 levels blowing the hell out of myself on traps, just like you.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Nothing is broke??? I can understand a level 20 should not be able to disarm a level 50 chest at all or even fail alot on a level 30 chest. But when I get bored and kill grey mobs at level 20 and a chest drops I think I should be able to handle that. Is the next thing going to be to nerf tanks ability to taunt. We can just tell em oh nothin is wrong, get level 50 then you can taunt the level 15 gnoll

[Kthaara]

<DIV>Check the test server patch notes.  A fix is on the way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ummmmm.  Also Jordaan......chests don't drop from gray mobs...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kwent</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kthaara on <span class=date_text>03-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:12 AM</span>

[Ijiamee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jordaann wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ijiamee wrote:<BR> <DIV>Nothing is broke, your skill isn't high enough. I haven't set off a trap in 20 levels. And yes, I spent my first 20 levels blowing the hell out of myself on traps, just like you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Nothing is broke??? I can understand a level 20 should not be able to disarm a level 50 chest at all or even fail alot on a level 30 chest. But <FONT color=#ff0000>when I get bored and kill grey mobs </FONT>at level 20<FONT color=#ff3300> and a chest drops </FONT>I think I should be able to handle that. Is the next thing going to be to nerf tanks ability to taunt. We can just tell em oh nothin is wrong, get level 50 then you can taunt the level 15 gnoll<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Want to come up with a new example? <BR>

[Kthaara]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neecha wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chest Deaths tho are not MAINLY scouts they are NON scout classes who just open chest without trying to disarm.. I have seen NINJA looters in groups charge in setting of traps befoer scouts have tried to disarm..    I just think its your skill levels i personally havent found anything wrong with Disarm.. </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Neecha on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>11-27-2004</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:31 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> Not trying to derail the thread, but this reminds me of a funny story.  Well, kinda funny.  Had a full group in TS, pulling and fighting ^^Skellies in the riverbed.  We got 2 adds (no problem really - yet).  Killed the first MOB, and a chest dropped.  Everyone EXCEPT the noob Ranger started to concentrate on the adds.  He quickly tried to disarm the chest and triggered a group mezz.  We stood there with the little rainbow lights dancing around our heads while 2 ^^ Skeletons beat the tar out of us. The healer went down in about 1.3 seconds.  The tank and I were next.  We lasted about 4 seconds. When the mezz wore off, the rest of the group tried to run but it was too late.  Total group massacre + plenty of XP debt.  </P> <P>Made for some lively discussion.</P> <P> </P> <P>Kwent</P></DIV>