Who isn't going to choose movement training buff?

[Jark]

Moorgard promised they are going to reset the training buffs again. When they do it who isn't going to choose the movement buff, and why?

[dark_dru]

I thought it had already been reset a few weeks ago or is there yet another reset ?

[Landsurvey]

<DIV>They are saying they will reset.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not sure why anyone would not.  What other level 30 choice would be better then being the fastest class in EQ2 including faster then the fastest horses available.  </DIV>

[Co]

Which is how it should be! I will be extremly angry if SoE decides that we're too fast .. But I have a feeling it might be coming. =/Cohh49 Dirge Aei DesisGuk

[Simpson]

The best fix would be for sony to let us discover a "long lost" Selo's scroll that both bard classes can use.

[Ciela]

<DIV>My character reached level 30 this week end and I picked up Jonathan movement of arms ( ? ), the description says it is an apprentice 2 song. First it buffs more than Harl's ( the same song w/o the run buff ) and the run speed increase is nice.<BR>This song is a "must have", in my opinion.</DIV>

[Jzi]

They are supposed to be adept 2 strength.yeah i intend to chose it, more movement is nice, but harls is one of the songs i tend to sing most often, so upgrading it just makes sense for me.

[Ciela]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jziad wrote:<BR>They are supposed to be adept 2 strength.<BR><BR>yeah i intend to chose it, more movement is nice, but harls is one of the songs i tend to sing most often, so upgrading it just makes sense for me.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>adept 2 are you sure, I should have payed more attention but I think I read apprentice 2..nevermind must be an error.</FONT></DIV>

[Landsurvey]

<DIV>Pretty sure it is Adept 2 but no matter.  Even if you can upgrade it it does not increase the speed just the buffs and after level 45 you won't use the song for anything but traveling anyways since Harls is a much better buff.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do agree though they should give it to Troubs also.  I am happy with it, being a little faster then the fastest horse makes sense to me so I personally think the song is perfectly balanced.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Landsurveyor on <span class=date_text>02-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:46 PM</span>

[Morganna]

<DIV>Are you guys sure this is faster than the 9 or 10 PP horse? I could have sworn that my friend who ahs the fastest horse was out running me easily. I had JMA and Pathfinding on too...</DIV>

[shataz]

<blockquote><hr>Morganna wrote:<DIV>Are you guys sure this is faster than the 9 or 10 PP horse? I could have sworn that my friend who ahs the fastest horse was out running me easily. I had JMA and Pathfinding on too...</DIV><hr></blockquote>I don't know if it is faster than the fastest mounts, but it is so [FaarNerfed!] fast stacked with Pathfinding that there really isn't a reason to not pick JMA at level 30. Passing mounted paladins while saying "Move over grandma!" is one of the greatest moments you will ever experience as a dirge. ><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bluetygur]

<DIV><FONT size=2>I love the JMA song!  Replaced Harls with it, and use it almost always.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I was curious about the speed, so I did a few simple trials, over uneven terrain.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Results:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Using Pathfinding increased speed by 15.4%</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Using JMA (alone) gave a 19.2% increase.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Using Path + JMA gave a 30.8% increase.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>It feels like I'm running really slow now if I don't put up both of these  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>

[Kragmi]

<DIV>Why run trials?  Just open up the training interface:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/show_window MainHUD.Character</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pathfinding: 16% run speed increase</DIV> <DIV>Mobilizing Arms: 24% run speed increase</DIV> <DIV>Stacked: 40% run speed increase</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, for the record, with Path and Mobilizing Arms, you can run the JBoots route in Nek Forest without sprinting <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Ciela]

<DIV> <HR> Even if you can upgrade it it does not increase the speed just the buffs and after level 45 you won't use the song for anything but traveling anyways since Harls is a much better buff.  <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>when you say Harl is a better buff after level 45, do you mean Harl adept1 or 3 ?</FONT></DIV>

[Landsurvey]

<DIV>Harls Adept1 at level 45 was 6 points better per stat at level 50 it is even greater(have not really looked) also Harls includes a resist also.  I will look tonight and give you the exact differences at level 50.  I have Adept 1 in Harls.  Edit here:  I am talking about the level 38 version of Harls of course.  You do not have that yet so until you are about level 44 or 45 you are better off using JM.  Here is a link to the spreadsheet I created with all the songs and there advancements if you have not seen it already on the boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>           <A href="http://home.comcast.net/~ragner-monk/eq2.xls" target=_blank>http://home.comcast.net/~ragner-monk/eq2.xls</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The fastest horse is speed 48 and I am, with JBoots(10), Pathfinding(26) and JM(24) at speed 50.  Races are tough because of 1 thing and that is lag.  Peeps with the exact same speeds will fall behind if they have lag from the memory leak etc.  Whenever I bring peeps on JBoots runs I make them reboot and turn down there setting and go to 1st person mode.  Morganna: If you only have Pathfinding and JMA then your frined on the fastest horse will outrun you until you put on your JBoots, just FYI.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My guild is 15+ so most everyone has the 10pp horses now and I always outrun them usually they drop there horse and AF me for maximum speed.  The speed difference is not all that great bu horses seem to cause some extra lag anyways(small amount).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In conclusion:  The Bard run song does 1 thing and that is saves us 10pp.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Landsurveyor on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 PM</span>

[Jzi]

The song does alot more than that for the levels its designed for, and there are also drawbacks to riding a horse as opposed to moving on foot.The majority of training songs are going to have limited use when you get to 50 compaired to when you get them.<p>Message Edited by Jziad on <span class=date_text>02-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 AM</span>

[Ciela]

<DIV> <HR> Edit here:  I am talking about the level 38 version of Harls of course.  <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>Thanks for the clarification.</FONT></DIV>

[Landsurvey]

<DIV>OK info I promised:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Harls at level 50 with Adept 1 = Increases stats by 46 points</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>JMA at level 50= Increases stats by 38.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and FYI they do stack but not the stats.  If you have both up you will get the run speed from JMA and then all the stats from Harls.  </DIV>

[Landsurvey]

<DIV>I totally agree - Jziad - JMA will be used 24/7 from 30-45.  Then even after that it is very useful.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Morganna]

<DIV>Awesome info Guys. I wasn't going to claim my CE Jboots but maybe I will now, or perhaps I will wait until I complete the Herritage ones...</DIV>