PvP Troub AA's

[Meskin]

<DIV>I was looking last night, I rolled my fist Troub and got him to lvl 12.  My first PvP toon as well.. I know Troub is generally a group favorable class, so I was wondering on PvP server is WIS is the way to go with the initial AA's (haven't researched the EoF line yet, I usually invest my first 10-15 points in the KoS lines).  It just seems the AGI is not worth it, but since this is my first Scout I could be wrong.</DIV> <DIV>If there is a post on PvP AA's for Troub that I am not seeing, I apologize...</DIV><p>Message Edited by Meskin on <span class=date_text>01-24-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:00 PM</span>

[Mildavyn]

<div>My advice (since no other PvP Troubador's  have said anything yes) is to max the Shrill/Shreik AA in the EoF line first, then take the shortest route to Don't Kill the Messenger. After that its a matter of preference. I am basically my guild's only raiding Troubador, so I'm specced mostly towards that. If i were speccing for 1v1 PvP fights though... this is what i would do.</div><div>1pt for first ability.</div><div>STA 4-4-8-8</div><div>WIS 4-4-8-7-2</div><div>Once I get a good roundsheild, this'll be my spec. The original numbers must have been typed when i was drunk... ignore those. That's NOT a good set-up.</div><div>EDIT: changed numbers to not be quite so [Removed for Content]</div>

[Meskin]

Thanks!

[Mentla]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mildavyn wrote:<div></div> <div>My advice (since no other PvP Troubador's  have said anything yes) is to max the Shrill/Shreik AA in the EoF line first, then take the shortest route to Don't Kill the Messenger. After that its a matter of preference. I am basically my guild's only raiding Troubador, so I'm specced mostly towards that. If i were speccing for 1v1 PvP fights though... this is what i would do.</div> <div> </div> <div>1pt for first ability.</div> <div>AGI  4-8</div> <div>STA 4-8-5</div> <div>WIS 4-4-4-8</div> <div> </div> <div>Then use a 1-handed dagger and a roundsheild. I'll let you figure out how to play this, but it should be pretty simple to work out.</div><hr></blockquote>Not logged in at the mo but that's pretty much what I used.  Filled up to don't kill the messenger but have changed it - didn't find it was much benifit in PvP.</div>

[Reptilianb]

<DIV>for pvp.. u want to maxout your stifle at cheapshot (and mez) imo... or at t7 u will get pwned.. also shield bash in the bard tree is best too... if stifle lands, and cheapshot, then shield bash, then mez, then repeat.. they can't do anythnig for 20seconds unless they use pots.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Acolos</DIV>

[Mentla]

Maxed out charm too.  The level 62 is 16.5 seconds, more than enough time to kill the dps if you land it on the healer.<div></div>

[Reptilianb]

<DIV>it rarely lasts the full duration.. because it does a resist check every 6secs (think its 6secs, mmight be less)... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aco</DIV>

[Mentla]

Yeah, but even having the healer out for 6 seconds can make a difference, specially if you can land stifle when it breaks.<div></div>

[Epif]

<DIV>You guys Are all baseing the mess on a player that doesnt Have the Rhod Necklace Try yousing it On a player that has it and see what happens. And same with chamr that god [I cannot control my vocabulary] thing breaks both every time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Epif Troub on Nagafen</DIV>

[DankShasta]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P> This is coming from a lvl 46 PvP Troubador, but i have quite a few points and here is what I did with them. Don't kill the Messenger or course, then I did the shield bash to 2 seconds, it takes a few points, but it is the only usefull knockback you'll ever really get. Then I maxed out my shrills, my aoe, my ranged stifle, my cheap shot, and my Eli's damage spell, for the EoF page of AAs. To me this has given me a ton more DPS, plus the versatility of a knockback, with  longer stuns, and stifle. Deadly stuff in PvP. I would like to maybe work on geting my aria proc maxxed out.</P> <P>    After I accomplished all these goals I went back and started maxxing out the runspeed skill, I'm at 7 points atm.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Reptilianb]

<P>shield bash is uber in pvp, i dont know how i cud live with not being able to knock people off things, more stun is more time to lock someone down.</P> <P>Stifle, stun, shield bash, is 11+ seconds of them not benig able to do anything (assuming stifle lands which isn't often unfortunatly), then mez and repeat... but if they use anti stifle pots, or if stifle misses or if mez resists, it normally results in death, at least in t7.</P> <P>Aco</P>

[DankShasta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Reptilianboy wrote:<BR> <P>shield bash is uber in pvp, i dont know how i cud live with not being able to knock people off things, more stun is more time to lock someone down.</P> <P>Stifle, stun, shield bash, is 11+ seconds of them not benig able to do anything (assuming stifle lands which isn't often unfortunatly), then mez and repeat... but if they use anti stifle pots, or if stifle misses or if mez resists, it normally results in death, at least in t7.</P> <P>Aco</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah when I enegaged you in EL the other day, I knew there was no possible way to kill your Troubador with a bruiser ( please explain this to Ragamuffin, he dont get it) I just was wasting enough time for Graffiti to get there and take your fame. Anyway it is very hard for a Ranger, monk, bruiser, plate tank,  to get me one v one. I just have too many ways to keep him off my butt, and too much ranged damage. i would like to also expieriment with the spell range AA stuff but you only get so many points.

[DankShasta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Reptilianboy wrote:<BR> <DIV>for pvp.. u want to maxout your stifle at cheapshot (and mez) imo... or at t7 u will get pwned.. also shield bash in the bard tree is best too... if stifle lands, and cheapshot, then shield bash, then mez, then repeat.. they can't do anythnig for 20seconds unless they use pots.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Acolos</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You cant stun twice in a row. If you look at the person's buff bar, there is a stun immune everyone gets in PvP after the stun ends. I do open with the stifle shot, but I never throw shield bash, and cheap shot in a row. PvE it doesnt matter as MOBS gain no stun immunity. Just my two coppers. If you want to stun them for max time, you gotta put something elsein between. I usually go with my reactive, and one of the encounter debuffs ( the dot wis debuff)with a CA, then the stun immune is over and you can start over.

[Reptilianb]

<p>good point, forgot they changed that... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and i remember everytime i do it and see the immune message... haha</p><p>i tend not to use the dot, because it breaks mez... problem at lvl 70 is if they have any amount of time to cast a CA, your normally dead unless they are a noob <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Good thing about shield bash is it jsut knocks them the perfect distance for stifle <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>only way to beat people at 70 i have found is to do the method i put... othewise its just insta death.. hopefully they are gunna increase the troub in combat run speed a lot.</p><p> Acolos</p>

[Balrok]

<p>.. I think quotes are all mess up.  But Paikis, you saidL</p><p><i> My advice (since no other PvP Troubador's  have said anything yes) is to max the Shrill/Shreik AA in the EoF line first, then take the <b><span style="color: #ffff00">shortest route to Don't Kill the Messenger.</span></b> After that its a matter of preference. I am basically my guild's only raiding Troubador, so I'm specced mostly towards that. If i were speccing for 1v1 PvP fights though... this is what i would do. 1pt for first ability. AGI  4-8 STA 4-8-5 WIS 4-4-4-8 </i></p><p>So are you NOT selecing Don't kill the messenger or are you recommending spending points on that finally ability?  Cause I don't see any points being spent into Don't kill the messenger.</p><p>( 4 ) Harbringer's Wisdom: Increase the caster's Wisdom by 8 each rank ( 4 ) Harmonizing Shot : A bow attack that decreases threat ( 4 ) Harbinger's Sonnet : Increases runspeed both in and out of combat ( 8 ) Allegro : Reduces groups casting time by 1% each rank Don't Kill The Messanger : Permanently increases group crit chance on damage spells, heals, ranged and melee attacks by 7.5% </p><p>Also, we've talked about this before, but I currently have WIS 4-4-8 so I can get the incombat run speed.  I guess I should make the decision now if I'm going to be a toe to toe troub or if I'm going to be a kiter.  <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'm also AGI 4-4 atm, cause that is a very nice attack to allow for our steath attacks in combat.  Casting our normal stealth just takes to long in combat imho.</p><p>I'll definitely be going STA for that shield bash and double attack.... but is the <b>Poison Concoction</b> enought DPS to consider investing the points in the AGI line?</p>

[Debunkt]

<p>I'm interested in hearing from more pvp Troubs too (if there are any more <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ). </p><p>I just started my first real pvp toon and going down STA line first. Currently lv14 with 8 aa. I'm happy with the extra hp and shield bash so far, but would consider other options. I plan to level slowly so I'm not really considering any raid configurations. The AGI line sounds like it would be worth trying too.</p><p>Great tip on not chaining stuns, I did not know that.</p>