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[Slotor]

<DIV>Looking for a little feedback on how people feel about Jester's cap and its uses. What kind of order do you cast it in groups and in raids? Do you have macro's set up for targeting and casting on people that ask for it or do you set up macro's before each grp and raid? Do you and the other troubs in your guild set up rotations? Did you spec in it with EoF aa's? It's my understanding that with max JC aa you can cast it every 15 seconds?  I have also heard Troubs highend can be decent dps and even make some parses? If this is true do you stop dps'n every 15seconds to cast this? I know its useful and I do have a macro set up to cast it on people, but I'm not super geek and it just seems to always have me in a rush. I have enjoyed playing my Troub since the game came out, minus the few nerfs we have had to deal with. As it is, I rarely cast it in grps, on raid I try to keep a rotation between healers on it while another troub takes care of the brig and casters in his group. I have also read that some people consider this the fix that troubs were looking for, to an extent. Would like to hear how people incorporate this into their normal Troub duty's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slotor Dembeats</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mildavyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Slotor wrote:<BR> <DIV>Looking for a little feedback on how people feel about Jester's cap and its uses. What kind of order do you cast it in groups and in raids? <FONT color=#ff0000>In raids, the mystic gets it on the pull to reduce recast on bolster, then i cycle through either the other healers, or DPS depending on how the fight is going. In groups i mostly dont bother, occasionally i'll hit the healer if things are going south, and this has on occasion saved the group from wiping.</FONT> Do you have macro's set up for targeting <FONT color=#ff0000>(yep, i have a target macro for our MT, our MA and a brigand who just loves to kill me in Tenebrous Tabgle... you know who you are.)</FONT> and casting<FONT color=#ff0000>(no)</FONT> on people that ask for it or do you set up macro's before each grp and raid? Do you and the other troubs in your guild set up rotations? <FONT color=#ff0000>(We dont currently because the only other troubador in my guild who can use JC just betrayed and lost all his spells. hasnt got JC back yet)</FONT> Did you spec in it with EoF aa's? It's my understanding that with max JC aa you can cast it every 15 seconds?  I have also heard Troubs highend can be decent dps and even make some parses? <FONT color=#ff0000>(This question alone will start flame wars. From my understanding, it takes a group set-up correctly, and multi-mob encounters to get anywhere above 1000 DPS. I have done it myself, but <STRONG><EM><U>only</U></EM></STRONG> because im AEing large encounters.)</FONT> If this is true do you stop dps'n every 15seconds to cast this? <FONT color=#ff0000>(My role in raids is almost always debuffing first, DPS second. I dont even think about DPS until every-one of my debuffs is on the mob and as soon as one drops, i put it back up.)</FONT> I know its useful and I do have a macro set up to cast it on people, but I'm not super geek and it just seems to always have me in a rush. I have enjoyed playing my Troub since the game came out, minus the few nerfs we have had to deal with. As it is, I rarely cast it in grps, on raid I try to keep a rotation between healers on it while another troub takes care of the brig and casters in his group. I have also read that some people consider this the fix that troubs were looking for, to an extent. <FONT color=#ff0000>(If the extent you mean is 0, then yes. This is a nice AA, but it hardly even makes a dent in all the problems we have and anyone calling this a 'fix' needs a reality check. I love my troubador and find playing other classes boring, but this is not a fix...)</FONT> Would like to hear how people incorporate this into their normal Troub duty's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slotor Dembeats</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>BTW, on multi-mob encounters, our MT gets JC on the pull for faster AE taunts. Otherwise its healers or DPS depending on hwo the fight is going.<BR>

[Mentla]

What about in PvP?  Not gotten that far yet, but it seems useful to me... <div></div>

[Mildavyn]

<DIV>Sure, if you're fighting a priest or mage and you can manage to mez them, then by all means use JC before PotM and just nuke em down... if its a scout of fighter standing still is a death sentence most times, so i dont usually cast it unless i manage to mez them.</DIV>

[Thrashercat]

I have an in-group macro and and out of group macro. My in-group one announces to the group who is getting it and the out of group one sends a tell to the person I target and casts the spell. I get lots of hugs and thank you's. I try to cast it on a shammy in the beginning and just generally keep an eye on the healers throughout and throw it on a druid if it gets bad. If its an easier zone I take turns casting it on various dps. Also, if its a long fight, I cast it on coercers/illusionsits so they can feed the MT or group members more often. I know that I could probably do more dps myself with different AA choices or casting JC on myself. I decided that it is more important for the guild and raid if I share<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Troubador Vina]

<DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>What kind of order do you cast it in groups and in raids?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>On raids I ask all the dps classes with a long recast super spell (eg wizard's fusion, assassin's decap) to make a macro to tell me when they are casting them.  Most have a macro anyways to a healer or MT for agro purposes and they can just add me on.  I then have a counter macro that tells them incomming JC and /targets them.  I then manually cast JC on them.  If no one is sending me tells, I use the same macros and just send it to random DPS classes and cycle it.  On the pull it depends what is comming.  If it is a large group I'll hit the MT for faster AE taunts, if it's a fight with high initial spike damage I'll hit a MT healer, if it's a fight with off tanks I usually hit the off tank's main heal healer(s).  I alway's try and hit myself with it before Precision on the Meastro to 1) compensate for my loss in DPS and 2) let me reuse it faster next time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>Do you have macro's set up for targeting and casting on people that ask for it or do you set up macro's before each grp and raid?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Macro is:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>/target Name</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>/tell Name Incomming Jester's Cap.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>I have a macro for basically everyone I normally cast it on and keep them in a separate hot bar.  I find a tell is imperative, otherwise people don't know they have it and won't use their long recycle abilities.  As our raid foce is very consistant, I don't have a lot of macros to do this and they don't change.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>Do you and the other troubs in your guild set up rotations?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Our guild has a 2nd troub, so when we are both on the raid we split the duties.  1 Troub takes the MT group, MT / healers, and the other has rotation DPS duty.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>Did you spec in it with EoF aa's?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Not yet, but I will.  I focused on sonics line first.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>It's my understanding that with max JC aa you can cast it every 15 seconds?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>No, 5 ranks in the JC AA will increase the reuse % reduction by 10%.  So it is 50% at M1 instead of 40%.  It is still 30 seconds in duration and recast, immunity is still 2 minutes.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>I have also heard Troubs highend can be decent dps and even make some parses?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Our raid force averages 15-20k combined DPS depending on the mob/zone.  The normal top 10 are all 1K plus.  I usually sit in position 12, around 600-800 dps.  This is as a group 4 troubador, so I have 1 healer, 3-5 mages and either a scout or brawler.  This means I have no DPS buff, and sometime Vim if my healer is a fury, but Agitate goes to the brawler / scout.  In some rare cases I'll get a setup with DPS mod buffs and then I push 1K dps on solo encounters.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>If this is true do you stop dps'n every <STRIKE>15</STRIKE> 30 seconds to cast this?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Using the above macro, the implied target for a DPS class is the mob so I still auto attack so all I give up is a few seconds of CAs.  However, this is no biggy on the pull and after my debuff chain and getting into possition I can spam my longer recast skills (shrill, noble blade, dancing blade at least) and then cast it on a new target then go into my normal DPS chain.</FONT></DIV>

[Malicorp]

Generally speaking, on raids, I cycle it between the Brigands (we cureently run with 2) as they prepare to dispatch. If they both have the extended Dispatch and Tenure, the mobs can be virtually be perma-dispatched with my maxed out JC. That is a huge boost to raid dps in my experience. When the Brigs are set-up, I move to the MT because that extra dps is gonna make it more difficult to maintian aggro. After those 3, I generally sneak one into which ever dps class seems most mana heavy at the moment (minus the necros who would likely get the least benefit since their dots are easily maintained)... wizards, assassins, swash.<div></div>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Slotor wrote:<BR> <DIV>Looking for a little feedback on how people feel about Jester's cap and its uses. What kind of order do you cast it in groups and in raids? Do you have macro's set up for targeting and casting on people that ask for it or do you set up macro's before each grp and raid? Do you and the other troubs in your guild set up rotations? Did you spec in it with EoF aa's? It's my understanding that with max JC aa you can cast it every 15 seconds?  I have also heard Troubs highend can be decent dps and even make some parses? If this is true do you stop dps'n every 15seconds to cast this? I know its useful and I do have a macro set up to cast it on people, but I'm not super geek and it just seems to always have me in a rush. I have enjoyed playing my Troub since the game came out, minus the few nerfs we have had to deal with. As it is, I rarely cast it in grps, on raid I try to keep a rotation between healers on it while another troub takes care of the brig and casters in his group. I have also read that some people consider this the fix that troubs were looking for, to an extent. Would like to hear how people incorporate this into their normal Troub duty's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slotor Dembeats</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I cast the cap on people in this order.  Tank on the pull, brig, wizard, MTg shaman, MTg druid.</P> <P>My macros rarely change.  Usually just the Tank and brig.  </P> <P>There are no other serious troubs in my guild.  </P> <P>It has the full 5 to increase it's magical powers.</P> <P>I'm pretty sure I won't make our parse.  We bring a lot of damage on our raids.</P> <P>I don't use it in groups.  A swarm of crap dies before PotM wears off, so I don't cast that either.</P> <P>I don't call this the troub fix.  It's a start, but it's only 1 spell.  Give it time and it's second nature.  Then yer back to where you were a month ago.</P>

[Slotor]

Thank you all very much for your replies. Was just the kind of feedback I was looking for and has left me with a better understanding with how the song is inteded to be used in grp and raid. Also thanks much for the hint on casting macro's. I think casting the song manualy is the way to go and leaving the macro for targeting and tells. Thanks again :smileyhappy:

[Mynna]

<HR> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff>It's my understanding that with max JC aa you can cast it every 15 seconds?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0066ff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>No, 5 ranks in the JC AA will increase the reuse % reduction by 10%.  So it is 50% at M1 instead of 40%.  It is still 30 seconds in duration and recast, immunity is still 2 minutes.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually, with 5 achievement points in Jester's Cap, the recast is down to 25 seconds.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Mynna on <span class=date_text>12-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:51 AM</span>

[aelder~]

<P>But ... but ... but ... then I'd have to spend 5 AAs on Quiron's....</P> <P>ewwww,</P> <P>Aelder</P>

[Mentla]

<div><blockquote><hr>aelder~ wrote:<div></div> <p>But ... but ... but ... then I'd have to spend 5 AAs on Quiron's....</p> <p>ewwww,</p> <p>Aelder</p><hr></blockquote>Can get there via lullaby  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>