DPS and my troubador

[sp33r]

<DIV>Ok im only level 40 and im finding i can do some decent damage.  How do we compare with berserkers and bruisers?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I asked in a chat channel while in game and asked who does the better DPS troubador or bruiser?  Someone quikly replied laughing that bruisers do damage far better the troubadors.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this is the case i might be rolling a brigand, but i really dont want to because im having fun with my troubador.  But i still want to produce dps and utility while grouped or solo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Few more questions...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hows the grind past 50?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are we really wanted in groups?  Im finding groups hard to come by thus me just soloing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thats it and i thank all that will answer my questions. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>In general we do less dps than all scouts apart from dirges, and less dps than brawlers and berserkers (but more than guards and crusaders).</DIV>

[sp33r]

<P>well that is just a shame i thought scouts out dps'd all fighters <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Don't feel too bad, berserkers are serverly overpowered and need nerfing.  But if you want to play a class for its dps, trouubador is probably the wrong choice.  My level 58 necro does more damage than my level 70 troubador.</DIV>

[Riktiktiche]

well i would say that most of the time a dps oriented SK will beat you in dps, this does depend alot on aa configuration and gear though =)also about the 58 necro doing more dps i do presume against even conned mobbs though? =)well all in all i like my trouba, although my main is a swas.... and i did play swas when they succed even more that troubs do now =)well maby i just am that kinda guy =)i like both swas and troub for style, and as such i am fairly content =)

[Trabbart]

I personally like to use the term DPM

[Qwestionator]

Honestly as a troubador you really shouldnt worry about your raid dps - if you are kicked from a raid because you do less dps then other scouts your raid leader should be fired.  If your talking pvp (which im not sure if yar or not) then its about using your utility to compliment your dps - troubs are probably the most flexible scout in my opinion - but brigands will outright do way more dps  ( plus dispatch/devitalize) - so if your a parse watcher your not gonna like being a troubador.<div></div>

[sp33r]

<DIV>Well i dont pvp.  And I really dont want to do more dps then a brigand or assassin or any of the scout classes but we should be on par with dirge's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also feel we should out dps fighters because well we are a scout class, or sorta a glass cannon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think its an absolute shame that all fighters out dps us when they are supposed to be damage sponges ( tanks ).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well is there anyone that we can outdamage?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we have the same dps as a templar or inquisitor ill just cry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh well..</DIV><p>Message Edited by sp33r on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:07 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Qwestionator wrote:<BR>Honestly as a troubador you really shouldnt worry about your raid dps - if you are kicked from a raid because you do less dps then other scouts your raid leader should be fired.  If <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Honestly?  If you're not worrying about your raid dps then what are you doing?  Once your buffs are up there's asolutely nothing you can do (other than Jesters) apart from dps, so you should try and maximise it as much as possible.  Yeah, we don't compare to real DPS classes, but I can still do a respectable amount.</P> <P>In general, the only classes that beat me in parses are Predators, Rogues, Summoners, Sorcerers, Illusionists and Berserker.  Brawlers sometimes do more than me, but it can be close.</P>

[Qwestionator]

Im not saying that we should just auto attack /auto follow or w/e the little phrase is but just commenting that troubs shouldnt be sitting there watching a parser with bated breath =) - troub dps should be on par with a dirge, from what i have seen it is usually better but this could be just gear difference - as far as raid dps goes just try to piece together your CAs and spells to maximize the damage efficient abilities as much as possible , Eli's is also very solid spell and will probably be your main source of dps - besides maybe auto attack.<div></div>

[Mayl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sp33r wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well i dont pvp.  And I really dont want to do more dps then a brigand or assassin or any of the scout classes <STRONG><FONT color=#ff00ff>but we should be on par with dirge's.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also feel we should out dps fighters because well we are a scout class, or sorta a glass cannon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think its an absolute shame that all fighters out dps us when they are supposed to be damage sponges ( tanks ).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well is there anyone that we can outdamage?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we have the same dps as a templar or inquisitor ill just cry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh well..</DIV> <P>Message Edited by sp33r on <SPAN class=date_text>09-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:07 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You mean dirge dps in NOT inferior to a troubadors? Not familar with troub spell line up, but it seems they have a match for all of our dmg CA's / spells and a few more.</P> <P>Could be totally incorrect, but I get the impression that dirges do less dps than all of the scouts.. unless something changes in later tiers</P><p>Message Edited by Maylon on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:23 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (01:30) 2082405 | 23137.83 [Arwenia-Ice Nova-21407]<BR>Jounar 181182 | 2013.13 | Assassin<BR>Jasonx 167395 | 1859.94 | Conjuror<BR>Stizeyo 166247 | 1847.19 | Brigand<BR>Uxzuigal 149080 | 1656.44 | Assassin<BR>Arwenia 145034 | 1611.49 | Wizard<BR>Golddragon 138926 | 1543.62 | Ranger<BR>Xlaerin 130001 | 1444.46 | Brigand<BR>Flaeme 121753 | 1352.81 | Illusionist<BR>Angine 90957 | 1010.63 | Warlock<BR><STRONG>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</STRONG><BR>Hippi 78582 | 873.13 | Dirge<BR>Heaylius 75395 | 837.72 | Paladin<BR>Salgor 72657 | 807.30 | Guardian<BR><STRONG>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</STRONG><BR>Pauzze 64821 | 720.23 | Monk<BR>Usarina 61836 | 687.07 | Fury<BR>Narcosys 57102 | 634.47 | Coercer<BR>Eruel 56713 | 630.14 |  | Warden<BR>Moonshifter 55446 | 616.07 | Fury<BR>Ostmackan 42559 | 472.88 | Templar<BR>Freyaldo 32610 | 362.33 | Coercer<BR>Amira 20676 | 229.73 | Templar<BR>Gonza 17344 | 192.71 | Defiler</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks right about where it should be imo.</DIV>

[sp33r]

i had a dirge and now betrayed to a troubador but hands down my dirge out dps'd my troub.  But i made the mistake of betraying and becoming a troubador.  I still like being a troubador but oh well thats the way the cookie crumbles....

[Mishrac]

<P>sp33r I betrayed to a Dirge from a Trub, and i liked the Dirge but its just hack and slash and put CoB up when you can, and sometime rezz a fallen companion. So I got tiered of it and betrayed back to the much harder class the trub where you have to bee on your toes all the time.</P> <P>The dirge, so much easier to solo, mostly DPS from auto attacks. The trub more raid dps from CA:s and spells.</P> <P>Thinks that are kinda strange.</P> <P>Why do the Dirge singel hit spell do more damage then the Trubs? Why isnt PoS a Bard Spell? and mhy dont you add CoB, PoM as Bardspells? Remove RoR.</P> <P> </P>

[911GT3]

I hear tell that your dps can vary alot depending on the order of your attacks, try changing around which spells and ca's you use in different orders. I find that casting a spell followed directly by a ca usually helps bring up the dps a bit, over using all your ca's then all your spells or vice versa. Also if you didnt know, your attacks level will determine the effectiveness of your HO's, soo a ringing blow will giver higher dmg from a m1 than and ad1. Every little bit helps.<div></div>

[KazzySoJaz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (01:30) 2082405 | 23137.83 [Arwenia-Ice Nova-21407]<BR>Jounar 181182 | 2013.13 | Assassin<BR>Jasonx 167395 | 1859.94 | Conjuror<BR>Stizeyo 166247 | 1847.19 | Brigand<BR>Uxzuigal 149080 | 1656.44 | Assassin<BR>Arwenia 145034 | 1611.49 | Wizard<BR>Golddragon 138926 | 1543.62 | Ranger<BR>Xlaerin 130001 | 1444.46 | Brigand<BR>Flaeme 121753 | 1352.81 | Illusionist<BR>Angine 90957 | 1010.63 | Warlock<BR><STRONG>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</STRONG><BR>Hippi 78582 | 873.13 | Dirge<BR>Heaylius 75395 | 837.72 | Paladin<BR>Salgor 72657 | 807.30 | Guardian<BR><STRONG>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</STRONG><BR>Pauzze 64821 | 720.23 | Monk<BR>Usarina 61836 | 687.07 | Fury<BR>Narcosys 57102 | 634.47 | Coercer<BR>Eruel 56713 | 630.14 |  | Warden<BR>Moonshifter 55446 | 616.07 | Fury<BR>Ostmackan 42559 | 472.88 | Templar<BR>Freyaldo 32610 | 362.33 | Coercer<BR>Amira 20676 | 229.73 | Templar<BR>Gonza 17344 | 192.71 | Defiler</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks right about where it should be imo.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Poor pauzze, =P, he must of been afk or on auto attack.  But anyways, I have a question on this parse though as a fairly new troub.  What was the group setup for both troubs, and what are you wearing in your main/off hand.

[Xrak]

i don't do too bad on dps but our dirge normally can out dps me but thats cause he is in mt with better dps mod than me. normally i have the inquis dps mod and thats about it but i run about 49% haste with my haste and dt braclet. depending on mobs which as everything to do with ur dps i do pretty good with poison proc from an assassin and with wiz or warlock proc. in the same grp setup as our dirge i would own his dps ez. imo they need a good not too resistant to anything mob with like 4mil hp to test all this on. cause 1.5mill hp and even 3mil hp mobs they are normally uber resistant to stuff so it messes with parses. but yeah we arn't uber dps but one certain fights we can own some ppl are parses. and i do lose alittle dps cause of debuffs at the start of a fight. <div></div>

[Crimson Dragon]

<div></div>if you're rolling a brigand only because you want to do the most damage, don't.brigands are not the highest dps in the game on their own. for a brigand to parse high (in a raid encounter) it takes a maxed out double attack wisdom line and an ~80+ DR one-hander (at level 70) as well as a group full of DPS and haste buffs. all the brigands you see out-parsing the assassins and swashbucklers and mages are ones that have a lot of buffs on them. don't make a brigand just for what you think is the best dps class in the game. it isn't. brigands are a debuff-oriented class.assassins have a much higher ability to do damage by themselves, as do swashbucklers.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Crimson Dragon on <span class=date_text>09-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:37 AM</span>

[Spider]

<DIV>also a good way to boost your auto attack dps  is to keep in mind haste and weapon speed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>while it seems like a faster weapon is a better weapon rember that weapon damage is roughly min-max  X  weapon speed so a 20-30 damage dagger thats 1.2 speed will do around 24-36 per hit ( not counting all the str and stuff) wear as the same weapon at a 2 speed  will do 40- 60  mind u it does it slower  but once u add in haste that same weapon at 2 speed is doing the 40-60 at nearly the speed of the 1.2 speed weapon ( depending on ammount of haste )  but the 1.2 speed weapon will get capped at 1 speed making VERY little increase in auto attack dps </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now for those of u i HAVENT lost completely   consider that u have a 50 % haste mod with group buffs on ( im picking simple numbers for easier calculations)   a 1.2 speed weapon will be well over capped at 1 second and most of that haste is waisted  but the 2 speed weapon just dropped to  1.5 ( i think my math is right on that  ) now rather than 24-36 every second your doing  your doing 40-60 ever 1.5 seconds </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so lets try and lay out the math on this </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for simplicity well assume max damage every hit  with 50% dps using the above weapons and ill start with single weapon rather than double</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with 1.2 sped weapon you will do 36 x 10   = 360 damage in ten seconds  (unmodded) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with the 2 speed weapon u will do 60 x 6.6 ( 6.6 being the number  of attacks in ten seconds) = 396 (unmodded) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now lets take that up to a min in fighting </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.2 speed  weap 36 x 60 = 2160 </DIV> <DIV>2 speed weapon 60 x40 =2400 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now lets say your in a realy good group and u get a nice 100 % haste mod with gear and buffs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now that same 1.2 speed weapon is still doing 2160 unmodded in one min </DIV> <DIV>but the 2 speed weapon is doing 3600  and now u can REALY start to see the differance that i slower speed weapon is making in your dps  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>all taht aside i still dont ahve the figures for other things like dps buffs and how str increases thigns but u can see for this stripped down model of just the 2 basic figures the advantages of a slower weapon  </DIV>

[Numa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lspiderl wrote:<BR> <DIV>also a good way to boost your auto attack dps  is to keep in mind haste and weapon speed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>while it seems like a faster weapon is a better weapon rember that weapon damage is roughly min-max  X  weapon speed so a 20-30 damage dagger thats 1.2 speed will do around 24-36 per hit ( not counting all the str and stuff) wear as the same weapon at a 2 speed  will do 40- 60  mind u it does it slower  but once u add in haste that same weapon at 2 speed is doing the 40-60 at nearly the speed of the 1.2 speed weapon ( depending on ammount of haste )  but the 1.2 speed weapon will get capped at 1 speed making VERY little increase in auto attack dps </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now for those of u i HAVENT lost completely   consider that u have a 50 % haste mod with group buffs on ( im picking simple numbers for easier calculations)   a 1.2 speed weapon will be well over capped at 1 second and most of that haste is waisted  but the 2 speed weapon just dropped to  1.5 ( i think my math is right on that  ) now rather than 24-36 every second your doing  your doing 40-60 ever 1.5 seconds </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so lets try and lay out the math on this </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for simplicity well assume max damage every hit  with 50% dps using the above weapons and ill start with single weapon rather than double</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with 1.2 sped weapon you will do 36 x 10   = 360 damage in ten seconds  (unmodded) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with the 2 speed weapon u will do 60 x 6.6 ( 6.6 being the number  of attacks in ten seconds) = 396 (unmodded) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now lets take that up to a min in fighting </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.2 speed  weap 36 x 60 = 2160 </DIV> <DIV>2 speed weapon 60 x40 =2400 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now lets say your in a realy good group and u get a nice 100 % haste mod with gear and buffs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>now that same 1.2 speed weapon is still doing 2160 unmodded in one min </DIV> <DIV>but the 2 speed weapon is doing 3600  and now u can REALY start to see the differance that i slower speed weapon is making in your dps  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>all taht aside i still dont ahve the figures for other things like dps buffs and how str increases thigns but u can see for this stripped down model of just the 2 basic figures the advantages of a slower weapon  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>There is no 1 second delay cap on weapons.  reference: <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=37&message.id=8588#M8588" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=37&message.id=8588#M8588</A>  you can also use the command /weaponstat to view your haste modified weapon delay.</P> <P>Slower weapons do allow for less missed auto attack attempts during combat art and spell casting. </P>

[Crimson Dragon]

i think the cap is 0.9 seconds.at least my weapons won't go faster than that no matter how much haste i use.<div></div>

[Antipalad]

Has been stated again and again and again, there is NO delay cap on weapons apart from the cap on 100% haste.

[loveybutt]

<blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:<div>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</div> <div> </div> <div>Allies: (01:30) 2082405 | 23137.83 [Arwenia-Ice Nova-21407]Jounar 181182 | 2013.13 | AssassinJasonx 167395 | 1859.94 | ConjurorStizeyo 166247 | 1847.19 | BrigandUxzuigal 149080 | 1656.44 | AssassinArwenia 145034 | 1611.49 | WizardGolddragon 138926 | 1543.62 | RangerXlaerin 130001 | 1444.46 | BrigandFlaeme 121753 | 1352.81 | IllusionistAngine 90957 | 1010.63 | Warlock<strong>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</strong>Hippi 78582 | 873.13 | DirgeHeaylius 75395 | 837.72 | PaladinSalgor 72657 | 807.30 | Guardian<strong>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</strong>Pauzze 64821 | 720.23 | MonkUsarina 61836 | 687.07 | FuryNarcosys 57102 | 634.47 | CoercerEruel 56713 | 630.14 |  | WardenMoonshifter 55446 | 616.07 | FuryOstmackan 42559 | 472.88 | TemplarFreyaldo 32610 | 362.33 | CoercerAmira 20676 | 229.73 | TemplarGonza 17344 | 192.71 | Defiler</div> <div> </div> <div>Looks right about where it should be imo.</div><hr></blockquote>Any tips for newer raiding troubs on how to parse that high? I usually throw jesters cap on group members when its up, debuff, all that jazz, and spam my combat arts and spells n such. But I can't come even close to that parse. Not really sure what my raid parse is cause well, they only parse the top 10 and Im never in it.. In Den today was doing around 400-500 constantly (or atleast when they chose to parse it).. <div></div>

[Crimson Dragon]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Antipaladin wrote:Has been stated again and again and again, there is NO delay cap on weapons apart from the cap on 100% haste.<hr></blockquote>checked it out in-game, and this is correct.my apologies for incorrect information earlier. the problem with it is that it's been stated over and over again that there is a 1.0 second cap. well, there isn't. and i'd never seen anyone argue against it before.</div><p>Message Edited by Crimson Dragon on <span class=date_text>09-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 AM</span>

[VericSauvari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> loveybutt wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</STRONG><BR><STRONG>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</STRONG><BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Any tips for newer raiding troubs on how to parse that high? I usually throw jesters cap on group members when its up, debuff, all that jazz, and spam my combat arts and spells n such. But I can't come even close to that parse. Not really sure what my raid parse is cause well, they only parse the top 10 and Im never in it.. In Den today was doing around 400-500 constantly (or atleast when they chose to parse it).. <BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Your weapons/gear will make a huge difference in your dps, the higher your int/str/agi the higher your CA/Spell damage will be.</P> <P>The group you are in also make a big difference. Procs (gear, groupmembers) and dps mods help your dps a lot as well. With decent gear you can half [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it and break 400 easily in a raid. Some mobs like Pain and Suffering in halls of seeing you will parse higher because no AE and they are push overs, even I break 800-900 on these guys and i consider myself only half decent.</P> <P> </P> <P>Do you have an eq2players account where we can see your gear?</P><p>Message Edited by VericSauvari on <span class=date_text>09-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:34 AM</span>

[loveybutt]

<blockquote><hr>VericSauvari wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> loveybutt wrote: <blockquote> <hr> vinterskugge wrote: <div>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</div> <div> </div> <div><strong>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</strong><strong>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</strong> <hr> </div></blockquote>Any tips for newer raiding troubs on how to parse that high? I usually throw jesters cap on group members when its up, debuff, all that jazz, and spam my combat arts and spells n such. But I can't come even close to that parse. Not really sure what my raid parse is cause well, they only parse the top 10 and Im never in it.. In Den today was doing around 400-500 constantly (or atleast when they chose to parse it).. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Your weapons/gear will make a huge difference in your dps, the higher your int/str/agi the higher your CA/Spell damage will be.</p> <p>The group you are in also make a big difference. Procs (gear, groupmembers) and dps mods help your dps a lot as well. With decent gear you can half [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it and break 400 easily in a raid. Some mobs like Pain and Suffering in halls of seeing you will parse higher because no AE and they are push overs, even I break 800-900 on these guys and i consider myself only half decent.</p> <p>Do you have an eq2players account where we can see your gear?</p><p>Message Edited by VericSauvari on <span class="date_text">09-28-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:34 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, its Hobs on nagafen server<div></div>

[911GT3]

<div><blockquote><hr>loveybutt wrote:<blockquote><hr>VericSauvari wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> loveybutt wrote: <blockquote> <hr> vinterskugge wrote: <div>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</div> <div> </div> <div><strong>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</strong><strong>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</strong> <hr> </div></blockquote>Any tips for newer raiding troubs on how to parse that high? I usually throw jesters cap on group members when its up, debuff, all that jazz, and spam my combat arts and spells n such. But I can't come even close to that parse. Not really sure what my raid parse is cause well, they only parse the top 10 and Im never in it.. In Den today was doing around 400-500 constantly (or atleast when they chose to parse it).. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Your weapons/gear will make a huge difference in your dps, the higher your int/str/agi the higher your CA/Spell damage will be.</p> <p>The group you are in also make a big difference. Procs (gear, groupmembers) and dps mods help your dps a lot as well. With decent gear you can half [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it and break 400 easily in a raid. Some mobs like Pain and Suffering in halls of seeing you will parse higher because no AE and they are push overs, even I break 800-900 on these guys and i consider myself only half decent.</p> <p>Do you have an eq2players account where we can see your gear?</p><p>Message Edited by VericSauvari on <span class="date_text">09-28-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:34 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, its Hobs on nagafen server<div></div><hr></blockquote>You should try and get some items with spell proc effects on them, (ears) Mystical Orb of the Invoker is an easy collection quest you could probly buy the items off broker for less than 1p, (belt) Bone-Clasp Girdle is reward from HQ, (wrist) Bracelet of Thule drops from boss of Lyceum but is semi rare only seen it drop twice, (ring) Ring of Supremacy drops from Fitzpitzle in Deathtoll but is very rare atleast for us because it never has droped, we always get Prides Edge a 2h sword (like there arent enough common 2h drops already). If you are casting lotsa spells (which you should be) these items can help increase your dps a good amount.</div>

[DresdenMalicaster]

<blockquote><hr>loveybutt wrote:<blockquote><hr>VericSauvari wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> loveybutt wrote: <blockquote> <hr> vinterskugge wrote: <div>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</div> <div> </div> <div><strong>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</strong><strong>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</strong> <hr> </div></blockquote>Any tips for newer raiding troubs on how to parse that high? I usually throw jesters cap on group members when its up, debuff, all that jazz, and spam my combat arts and spells n such. But I can't come even close to that parse. Not really sure what my raid parse is cause well, they only parse the top 10 and Im never in it.. In Den today was doing around 400-500 constantly (or atleast when they chose to parse it).. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Your weapons/gear will make a huge difference in your dps, the higher your int/str/agi the higher your CA/Spell damage will be.</p> <p>The group you are in also make a big difference. Procs (gear, groupmembers) and dps mods help your dps a lot as well. With decent gear you can half [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it and break 400 easily in a raid. Some mobs like Pain and Suffering in halls of seeing you will parse higher because no AE and they are push overs, even I break 800-900 on these guys and i consider myself only half decent.</p> <p>Do you have an eq2players account where we can see your gear?</p><p>Message Edited by VericSauvari on <span class="date_text">09-28-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:34 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, its Hobs on nagafen server<div></div><hr></blockquote>We're both in the same boat Hobs. Having recently joined a top tier raiding guild, our gear is mediocre still. To be doing the type of damage that you're seeing here, you'll need to be at or near the cap for both Int and Str in raids. As mentioned, offensive proc gear is necessary.<div></div>

[VericSauvari]

<P>sorry hobbs forgot about this thread :S</P> <P> </P> <P>but yeah more procs the happier you are with dps. try and get in a group with an illusionist or a chanter. throw in someone who also does procs (conjuror, wizard etc) and its even better.</P> <P>any class that can max out your str or int will be a bonus to you expecially since a chunk of your dps is melee autoattack based. so if you can get in a group with someone who boosts dps or haste it will also be to your advantage.</P> <P>my eq2players profile (veric on the crushbone server) will show you some half decent gear..by no means is my gear 'complete' but in some respect its higher then average. keep in mind i have a nasty habit of keeping my resist gear on accidently before i log off for the night so by no means assume all that gear is decent <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Lachlan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KazzySoJazzy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> <DIV>This is a parse of Suffering in the Halls of the Seeing.  It's a single target fight with no special AEs or anything, so it's a good fight to compare different classes' DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (01:30) 2082405 | 23137.83 [Arwenia-Ice Nova-21407]<BR>Jounar 181182 | 2013.13 | Assassin<BR>Jasonx 167395 | 1859.94 | Conjuror<BR>Stizeyo 166247 | 1847.19 | Brigand<BR>Uxzuigal 149080 | 1656.44 | Assassin<BR>Arwenia 145034 | 1611.49 | Wizard<BR>Golddragon 138926 | 1543.62 | Ranger<BR>Xlaerin 130001 | 1444.46 | Brigand<BR>Flaeme 121753 | 1352.81 | Illusionist<BR>Angine 90957 | 1010.63 | Warlock<BR><STRONG>Scafloc 86904 | 965.60 | Troubador</STRONG><BR>Hippi 78582 | 873.13 | Dirge<BR>Heaylius 75395 | 837.72 | Paladin<BR>Salgor 72657 | 807.30 | Guardian<BR><STRONG>Arahan 67257 | 747.30 | Troubador</STRONG><BR>Pauzze 64821 | 720.23 | Monk<BR>Usarina 61836 | 687.07 | Fury<BR>Narcosys 57102 | 634.47 | Coercer<BR>Eruel 56713 | 630.14 |  | Warden<BR>Moonshifter 55446 | 616.07 | Fury<BR>Ostmackan 42559 | 472.88 | Templar<BR>Freyaldo 32610 | 362.33 | Coercer<BR>Amira 20676 | 229.73 | Templar<BR>Gonza 17344 | 192.71 | Defiler</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks right about where it should be imo.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Poor pauzze, =P, he must of been afk or on auto attack.  But anyways, I have a question on this parse though as a fairly new troub.  What was the group setup for both troubs, and what are you wearing in your main/off hand.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It deserves repeating, this is Halls of Seeing.  Some mobs parse very high.  Having a couple Brigands on the raid is big too, Dispatch M1 = 3520 debuff vs all physical damage for 13 seconds.  Not knowing how the groups were set up I can't comment and then there's gear already mentioned, lots of stuff that proc's.