Are troubadors that bad at soloing?

[Rasraaku]

<DIV>I am a Coercer and the title mostly explains it.  I've heard all about that Troubadors can't solo worth anything but i just wondered if any people have soloed the Troubador alot.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Rasraaku on <span class=date_text>08-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:29 PM</span>

[Mishrac]

<P>Yes I have soloed alot since I got a kid.</P> <P>The Trub is ok at soloing as long as you dont have to kill Heroic mobs. But for Heroic mobs you should always need a group there for they are Heroics. When it comes to Soloing you should never try to get anythin over yellow ^. as far as I have been soloing I have no problem with encounters bellow that. This is very lvl based though, during my high 40 and mid 50:s I had a verry hard time soloing. </P> <P>But as i betrayed at lvl 53 and tried the Dirge i can only say that the Dirge is much easier to solo with.</P> <P>So what is it you realy want to know?</P> <P>If the Trub sucks? NO! you just have to be dedicated and know your class not just hack and slash and spam the CA:s, If you know what you are doing the class is realy good.</P> <P>And now an other question for you? If you are going to solo alot, pick something else this is a support class for grouping.</P>

[Rasraaku]

I have always wanted to make a Troubador but the thing that has been keeping away from the Troubador is that people say they are really terrible at soloing.  I just wondered if that was really true.  Thanks alot for the answer:smileyhappy:

[Zygwen]

My Troubador alt is lvl 55 now with 17 AAs. I spent most of the time soloing without the charm spell so the charm spell nerf didn't phase me much. I'd say that they are not the easiest class to solo but it is certainly possible. Solo Mobs that are blue con or lower are easy. Whites and yellows are a challenge. Troubadors tend to have trouble when they agro multiple encounters. Last night I was soloing Whites and Yellows in Pillar of Flame and used the occational charm. Charm is very powerful even with the short duration. I can charm one of the mobs in a multi mob encounter and it will practicaly kill one of the other mobs before charm breaks. So, I can see some people have grown attached to the old charm spell. I think one of the reasons people claim that troubadors suck at soloing is that they can not depend on charm anymore but there is more to being a troubador than just the ability to charm mobs. A troubador is a finesse class. They have a lot of tricks up their sleeves and the art of soloing a troubador is knowing which to use when. To put it in perspective, my Swashbuckler could breeze through Tears grifter instances but it is a challenge to do it with my Troubador. On the otherhand, I've tanked blue heroics that are one level below me when duoed with a healer. <div></div>

[Bluetygur]

<P><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Troubadors are fun, but they are very tough to play solo.  I'd say, for exploring, questing, etc they are fun though.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I am in my early 60's, and solo-ing is just painful.  I have pretty much given up xp-ing except in groups.  The grifters quest, mentioned about, is doable, though I have a lot of trouble with the even-con "arrow up" ones you sometimes see.  I also have a Berzerker, and the difference is amazing.  Stuff my troub can barely survive is a laugher for the Zerk <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But in a group people are usually glad to see my bard.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Verdana size=2>One other thing: on a pvp server the problem for Bards is even more noticable.  Sadly, I would say if you are not going to be grouping a lot, don't go for a bard.  About 50% of your abilities will be wasted.</FONT></P>

[Jeger_Wulf]

<P>> Troubadors are fun, but they are very tough to play solo. </P> <P>IMO fun is relative. EQ2 is fun whatever class you play. OTOH, I find my troubadour to be less fun than any of my alts. I don't recommend the troub unless you have a guild that needs one for raiding. Is it fun to play EQ2 when you are a troubadour? Yes. Is it as much fun as playing a swashbuckler, for example? Not in my opinion.</P> <P>Good luck whatever you decide.</P>

[Antipalad]

Troubs are decent, but slow soloers, untill you meet a brigand mob, then you die really fast.

[Zapdafi]

<P>in a multi mob encounter i beat one mob down to red before i use charm and then target through it. most times the mob he attacks dies and then i finish it off. this way i get the benefit of my debuffs and kians while taking the first guy down. i dont do this often as i usually just kill everything, but its usefull when i wanna change things around abit.</P>

[DankShasta]

No they arent. Next question?

[Emerix]

I soloed 20-45 without many problems . and with enough time i can solo level 70 heroics . So i guess no were not bad . not the best but not bad .

[Lilj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> I soloed 20-45 without many problems . and with enough time i can solo level 70 heroics . So i guess no were not bad . not the best but not bad .<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm lvl 28 with my troubadour and I find her rather slow and hard. But there is a certain charm to her and that's what keep me at her <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I have one very embarrassing thing though, I can't for the life of me get through Harclave's. The skeleton king in the end gets me everytime. I have tried to get him down first, or his 2 followers, but it doesn't make much difference. I debuff all I can, I charm, I stun, but at the time I can kill one follower I die. It's the first time I have tried not being able to get through Harclave ever. Could you, Emerix, get through Harclave in the 20ies. I ask because you seem to do well soloing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I often find it easier to solo out in the open though, than in a dungeon. But I don't know if that is general for us.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Emerix]

<P>Good gods that was like a year ago .. let me think . i think i had my healin song .. brias .. raxxyls ..selfbuff .. and attack speed up ..  first i bodypulled everything in there .. and then kited the skeleton king ..</P> <P>with the buffs now id prolly put aria up for the hit speed .. and kite it anyways . Lots changed by now i'd guess .so you may have to throw debuffs .. snare and that kinda stuff ..</P> <P>right now if i want to solo heroics i us my mez.. nuke mez nuke thing . but mez is a level 50 skill if i remember well .</P> <P> </P> <P>of course i should add i had mostly legendary gear back then which used to be quite good back then .</P> <P>best of luck .. hope you can get him by kiting him .</P>

[Lilj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> <P>Good gods that was like a year ago .. let me think . i think i had my healin song .. brias .. raxxyls ..selfbuff .. and attack speed up ..  first i bodypulled everything in there .. and then kited the skeleton king ..</P> <P>with the buffs now id prolly put aria up for the hit speed .. and kite it anyways . Lots changed by now i'd guess .so you may have to throw debuffs .. snare and that kinda stuff ..</P> <P>right now if i want to solo heroics i us my mez.. nuke mez nuke thing . but mez is a level 50 skill if i remember well .</P> <P> </P> <P>of course i should add i had mostly legendary gear back then which used to be quite good back then .</P> <P>best of luck .. hope you can get him by kiting him .</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Good advice, that was next on my list of ideas, to clear the area so I could move around and kite. Yeah mez is a lvl 50 spells, which always bug me when asking for advice and people just say 'use mez' <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Sometimes I wonder if all troubs are over lvl 50 *giggle*.</P> <P>Thanks! I will try kiting him next, I sooo want him dead, just out of principle.</P> <P> </P>

[Emerix]

<DIV>IM not sure which buffs you have running but they are quite essential . you may try to  use raxx bria quiron daelins and the avoidance one .. thats my defensive solo setup .. but if you have them upgraded the songs help you stay alive quite well</DIV>

[Zygwen]

At 55 I was taking out lvl 57 desert lunatics which are brigand type mobs. They are tougth but not impossible. After the first few I started charming when doing multi mob groups because they do wonders to their group mates. I currently have 19 AAs in Stamina line. Perhaps the extra avoidance helps. I did harclave twice. Once in mid 30s and nearly died to the last mob and another time in my mid 40s and had no problems. In general I've found that the 20s are hard on all toons. Most don't start to excel till mid 30s. My usual solo buff set up is. Aria, Raxxyl, Daelis, Invigorating Opus and Graceful Avoidance <div></div>

[Sawp]

<DIV>Can we solo the answer is a big Yes. If im not raiding then I'm farming and I only farm lvl 65^^^ and above Named mob.</DIV> <DIV>The formula is if I can mez i can kill simple. </DIV>

[DresdenMalicaster]

Having recently been leveling my Troub and doing Harclave, the end skeletal mob is pretty tough. Honestly, my troub was fairly twinked and until 30 I had problems. Buffs I used that eventually worked were +DEF, Self buff, Aria, +in-combat health regen, haste. bria's is unnecessary with the power regen given by Harclave's buff. I found it most efficiant to kill the ^^ since the lower mobs are not a really significant damage component of the encounter. Further, I believe theor attacks are predominately disease/poison based, so you could likely snag a few pieces of cheap noxious resist gear off the broker. <div></div>

[Lilj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sawpaw wrote:<BR> <DIV>Can we solo the answer is a big Yes. If im not raiding then I'm farming and I only farm lvl 65^^^ and above Named mob.</DIV> <DIV>The formula is if I can mez i can kill simple. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You see, that is probably right, but I really don't like that answer. Why? Because mez is a lvl 50 spells.</P> <P>So what about before lvl 50?</P>

[Lilj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> <DIV>IM not sure which buffs you have running but they are quite essential . you may try to  use raxx bria quiron daelins and the avoidance one .. thats my defensive solo setup .. but if you have them upgraded the songs help you stay alive quite well</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>My buffs are (when soloing) Raxxyl, Elise's ditty, merciless melody, insatiable ardor and aria of excitement. I don't have a health regen buff yet and I seldom run out of mana, so I practically never used Bria. Else I normally trade Aria for Bria if I have to (still for soloing). So I think my setup looks like yours as much as it can, with me missing spells and buffs.</P> <P>My armor is not mastercrafted, it's pre24 carbonite. I have one weapon in Steel and a Fir bow. I begin to wonder if I simply lack upgrades. </P> <P>But I must admit a part of me think that is a darned shame. A normal/first time player (without tons of twinked eq) should be able to get through Harclave with a proper tactic. But I guess that is a discussion for another thread <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Thank you all for your suggestions, I appreciate them all. And I apologise to the OP for hijacking the thread, I should probably have started a new one with my question about Harclave. </P> <P>edit: and I will go whip up some potions for my next try <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thanks for that one!</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Liljna on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:43 PM</span>