Betrayed...VERY happy

[Draks]

<DIV>I had betrayed once almost 2 years ago because I liked Qeynos better. Now, once again; I betrayed back to Qenos to become a Dirge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love playing a Dirge, 8AA in parry and 5in poisen on top of the already insane disease poisen dps....really like the the class.  Lost my "Owl in a Hat" O'Well.</DIV>

[Ciela]

<DIV> <HR> on top of the already insane disease poisen dps <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't want to break your happyness but Tomb line ( the disease proc ) is close to useless and most of the dirges ( at least on the dirge board ) don't use it.</DIV> <DIV>Anyway, welcome to the dirge class.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cielago on <span class=date_text>06-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:40 PM</span>

[Draks]

<P>One half broken song that still does damage and DOES proc.</P> <P>Have you even played a Troub to 70?</P> <P>Nough said.</P>

[Ciela]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Draks wrote:<BR> <P>One half broken song that still does damage and DOES proc.</P> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>hehe yes true but you will see by yourself what I mean, we have much more usefull songs to sing and Tomb isn't one of them unless you are in a dps group in raid. The proc rate is also very low since the "proc nerf".</FONT></P> <P>Have you even played a Troub to 70?</P> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>Nope</FONT></P> <P>Nough said.</P> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>a bard can't have enough things to said <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Godzmodi]

insane dps? dirges are usually always lower than the troubs on any parce ive seen at our raids <div></div>

[Jooneau]

I thought about betrayal to change classes, but that would have meant becoming a Dirge, essentially a gimped Bruiser/SK wannabe that wears chain.

[Dwergux]

<blockquote><hr>Godzmodiar wrote:insane dps? dirges are usually always lower than the troubs on any parce ive seen at our raids<div></div><hr></blockquote>That could be because dirges are generally put in a tank group and Troubs in a DPS group.

[Rampagious]

To be honest reguardless of what group the two classes are in, MOST of dirges spells inately do more damage, or have more spells with an option of doing damage.  While troubadors are always in DPS groups, with things like procs and the like - the dirges innately CAN do more damage.  If you take a dirge with the same spell quality (I.E lets say all Master 1) and a troubador of the EQUAL skill, and have the same gear, and are AA speced the same way, and is not an AE fight (I know lol) for the most part a dirge will always outdps a troubador.  While what I just stated above is highly unlikely, almost impossible, just due to the mechanics of the game a dirge will out dps a troub for the most part.<div></div>

[Krescendo]

<P>I HAVE played a dirge to 70 and "insane" is seldom a term used to describe my dps.  A couple of months ago, in raids, while in the the MT group I would pop into the top 10 dps maybe 1/2 to 1/5 the time.</P> <P>Tombs is pretty much a melee dps raid group only song (or for when there are two bards in a group and rarely then, unless both are dirges).</P> <P>Since the scout nerfs, I am lucky to make it once a raid. Granted, you could fudge a little on your job, dkp weapons that should probably go to a true dps class and make the lower end of that list fairly reliably, but it is still the lower end.</P> <P>When you get higher, and start going all out (especially in raids) welcome to the would of blue icons (insufficient power).</P> <P>Play what floats your boat, but basically to my point of view, they are pretty close to balanced with regards to each other (troubs and dirges), its just they are quite a bit different, even though both are still support classes.</P>

[Godzmodi]

<blockquote><hr>Dwergux wrote:<blockquote><hr>Godzmodiar wrote:insane dps? dirges are usually always lower than the troubs on any parce ive seen at our raids<div></div><hr></blockquote>That could be because dirges are generally put in a tank group and Troubs in a DPS group.<hr></blockquote> not always. 2 dirges = one in MT group and other dps group.. plus im almost never dps buffed cause im in a dps group, others slots are taken for others dps... plus if dirge in MT group they get the dps buffs of the priests and other such... "To be honest reguardless of what group the two classes are in, MOST of dirges spells inately do more damage, or have more spells with an option of doing damage.  While troubadors are always in DPS groups, with things like procs and the like - the dirges innately CAN do more damage.  If you take a dirge with the same spell quality (I.E lets say all Master 1) and a troubador of the EQUAL skill, and have the same gear, and are AA speced the same way, and is not an AE fight (I know lol) for the most part a dirge will always outdps a troubador.  While what I just stated above is highly unlikely, almost impossible, just due to the mechanics of the game a dirge will out dps a troub for the most part." i guess im just lying out of my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].... let me ask you then what do you normally see a dirge parcing, and what do you see yourself parcing... <div></div>

[Rampagious]

I have not had very good dirges in the past in my guild, so saying that I always out dps them doesn't mean [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].<div></div>

[pera]

I think both classes are very, or for the most part, balanced towards each other, they both have their nich in group/raid.  While its normaly better to have a dirge in a MT group and troub in dps group. but a third bard really can go pretty much anywhere and help the group quite well reguardless of troub or dirge. <div></div>

[Krescendo]

<P>Quote: "I have not had very good dirges in the past in my guild, so saying that I always out dps them doesn't mean [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]."</P> <P>I agree, I am usually the only high level dirge in my guilds & I have had the same experience.</P> <P>Uh, wait..</P> <P>Back on topic, for space limitations, we only parse top 10. I don't see bards in there at all, anymore, but I do see some of the people I am buffing, so in my own mind, such as it is, I take credit.</P> <P><BR> </P><p>Message Edited by Krescendo on <span class=date_text>06-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:17 PM</span>

[VericSauvari]

<div><blockquote><hr>Draks wrote:<div>I had betrayed once almost 2 years ago because I liked Qeynos better. Now, once again; I betrayed back to Qenos to become a Dirge.</div> <div> </div> <div>I love playing a Dirge, 8AA in parry and 5in poisen on top of the already insane disease poisen dps....really like the the class.  Lost my "Owl in a Hat" O'Well.</div><hr></blockquote>congrats? so you are not a troubador anymore and im happy for you ..i guess?however i would assume most of us are still troubadors who are 'somewhat' happy with our class who do not care how green the grass maybe on the other side <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Ko]

<P>This is too funny I play a level 70 Dirge and the only insane DPS I do is if I drop off a cloud and hit an island in KoS.</P> <P>Dirge DPS leaves alot to be desired.  To call it dps is giving us more credit than is due.  Infact it's not uncommon </P> <P>for druids to out dps me exp groups.  This comes from a retired ranger that used to parse 1500 consistantly in raids.</P>

[ForgottenFoundling]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kovu wrote:<BR> <P>This is too funny I play a level 70 Dirge and the only insane DPS I do is if I drop off a cloud and hit an island in KoS.</P> <P>Dirge DPS leaves alot to be desired.  To call it dps is giving us more credit than is due.  Infact it's not uncommon </P> <P>for druids to out dps me exp groups.  This comes from a retired ranger that used to parse 1500 consistantly in raids.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>...and yet you still are very able to out dps a troubador that is similarly geared -> THUS the joy of some of the ones that betrayed. 

[loveybutt]

My 66 dirge and 70 troub practically parsed the same.   Troub was slightly higher.. <div></div>

[Jeger_Wulf]

<P>> however i would assume most of us are still troubadors who <BR>> are 'somewhat' happy with our class who do not care how <BR>> green the grass maybe on the other side <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0></P> <P>Can't speak for eneryone here, but I count myself "somewhat unhappy." No enough to betray, because I don't see dirges as a lot better. Enough that I am playing my alts a lot, though. If I am not careful, an alt is going to become my main.</P>