Charm question

[FrostDragon]

<DIV>Hello my bardic brothers  I am an elder dirge and young troub.    I noticed some people questioning the changes to charm.   biggest question is what is the recast on the new charm ?   I ask because in eq1 we bards had a very very short duration charm also and it was very effective.    Now in the patch 24 it state we get more CONTROL of the charmed... now if you charm and link a macro in can you match the old charm and then some?  How about pet stop/cheap shot/ back stab/pet attack?    How flexable is the eq2 new bardic charm vs the old eq1stylebardic autoguard charm? </DIV>

[Jooneau]

45 second recast. The highest rank charm lasts only 14 seconds and has a chance to break every 4 seconds.We can't tell the pet to attack, but we can use the other pet commands.This spell sucks compared to EQ1 charm.

[Godzmodi]

<blockquote><hr>Jooneau wrote:45 second recast. The highest rank charm lasts only 14 seconds and has a chance to break every 4 seconds.We can't tell the pet to attack, but we can use the other pet commands.This spell sucks compared to EQ1 charm.<hr></blockquote>you CAN tell the pet to attack. but charm is extremely pointless unless you can kill the thing you are fighting quick enough. i have rarely , if ever , used charm to solo<div></div>

[FrostDragon]

<P>Hmm OK  this charm blows chunks then.   I can see where they are matching it to the Dirge Fear series which has 14s and 45 recast  which also sucks.   20s or a 30 recast I could see very well but not this.   14s is just long enough for everyone in your party to wonder if they hit a lag spike and dismise the fact that the Dirge/Troub did anything.   I see this series as the bardic duty to keep the random X wandering mob way until the tank can clear to get em.    I cant see 14s bardic of this even worth dropping melee to cast.   maybe with the recast dropped or hte Charm/fear timer raised.  </P> <P> 1:3 ratio blows              1:2 workable     any more then 1:2 would need power cost jacked</P> <P> </P> <P>Frost/Gypsy EQ bard since April 2000</P>

[Bergmeister]

<div></div><span>In a group we normally can’t pull aggro by hurting the mob because our DPS is a joke. <span> </span>But with our new 14 second charm now we to can pull aggro and share in the love.<span>  </span>We wont be looked upon as just a place-filling buff-bot anymore.<span>  </span>We have the ability to kill ourselves and deny the group the benefit of our buffs.<span>  </span>It would have been just as well if sony would have taken the charm away entirely and leave one less pointless icon on my toolbar.</span><div></div>

[Jait]

<DIV>"Hmm OK  this charm blows chunks then.   I can see where they are matching it to the Dirge Fear series which has 14s and 45 recast  which also sucks."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't compare it to Dirge offset spells.  Otherwise you bring up the most obvious question of all:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there a single Troubadour who wouldn't exchange their new Mez for a Dirges Group Rez?   :smileymad:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Jait on <span class=date_text>06-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:32 PM</span>

[Jaimster]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jait wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't compare it to Dirge offset spells.  Otherwise you bring up the most obvious question of all:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there a single Troubadour who wouldn't exchange their new Mez for a Dirges Group Rez?   :smileymad:</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Jait on <SPAN class=date_text>06-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:32 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yep, me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> While it would be awesome if it lasted 30-60 seconds (that might actually make it fun AND useful)... I'm actually using the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] spell frequently now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I REALLY wish it lasted longer... in a lot of fights, particularly if it breaks, the 14 seconds is just not enough... and it's uselelss at less than 14 seconds, so I'd love if they would make the minimum 15 seconds and the max at level 70 like 45 seconds... then I'd be thrilled.

[Jooneau]

I would like it the way it was, with perhaps an increase to 3 concentration slots if they felt it was overpowered (which it wasn't). I'm still wondering why they changed it and left Coercer and Druid charm alone, if they considered it gamebreaking.

[FrostDragon]

<P>Understood Jait      I will not touch that Mez /rez issue( me not stupid)  but I do see the parallels from SOE's side looking from from the outside in to us as the bardic classes on the fear/charm.    I think we have a case on the recast and duration of the post 24 changes to Charm and month or 2 ago Fear.    As long as we are not stealing the Enchanter classes fire SOE has no reason not to listen.      Since bards dont compare to the other scout classes and this falls into our group utility bag and compares with enchanter charm.   </P> <P> </P> <P>Wonder why at 1am you say hi on a chat channel  only bards answer?     We have SOCIAL skills</P>

[Jooneau]

Meh, if you're still playing a computer game at 1AM, maybe your social skills aren't as good as you think. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />