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Myrddhinn
05-29-2006, 03:16 PM
<DIV>Well, i read all the LU24 subject on our forum and found some great opinion of the obvious lack of direction we troubs seem to suffer... beyond the spreadsheet adjustements.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So i asked myself : "Who are we on my server ?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have counted 840 Level 70 characters on Storms (You know, the little french server...).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here are my results :</DIV> <DIV>Guardians 62</DIV> <DIV>Berserkers 46</DIV> <DIV>Paladins 57</DIV> <DIV>ShadowKnights 28</DIV> <DIV>Monks 32</DIV> <DIV>Bruisers 15</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's 240 tanks, with a clear scheme : One subclass (Guards / Zerks) and the same pattern in the other (roughly a 2:1 ratio between Pals and SK, same between Monks and Bruisers)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Templars 70</DIV> <DIV>Inquisitors 38</DIV> <DIV>Furies 42</DIV> <DIV>Wardens 30</DIV> <DIV>Mystics 37</DIV> <DIV>Defilers 18</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's 235 healers, with also a clear scheme : One subclass (Temps / Inquis), the good Druid sub-class resists and the Myst / Defils are in the same 2:1 pattern than before.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wizards 79</DIV> <DIV>Warlocks 26</DIV> <DIV>Conjurors 45</DIV> <DIV>Necromancers 34</DIV> <DIV>Illusionnists 25</DIV> <DIV>Coercers 16</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's 225 mages, with the biggest unbalance of all. Wizzs are extremely played at Level 70. While Conjurors resist (probably for their solo abilities).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rangers 30</DIV> <DIV>Assassins 28</DIV> <DIV>Swashbucklers 25</DIV> <DIV>Brigands 19</DIV> <DIV>Dirges 21</DIV> <DIV>Troubadours 17</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's 140 scouts, no really dominating class and a very low percentage for this kind of archetypes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is a lot to say about archetypes (tank / heal / dps) and the obvious failure of some classes. Quantity does not mean quality and interest. And 24 classes are obviously compared by the high level players to the profit of a small number of them. 10 classes gather 60% of the 70th characters on my server. And it is obvious that Scouts are not seen as a part of the tank / heal / dps triangle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>Troubs are one of the least played class at high level (though lots of Troubs are probably created, people quit them before reaching high end...)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So where are they ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I then found the rosters of 10 major guilds on our servers. As a roleplaying dwarf troubadour, i am proud to know this guilds, most of their leads and their way of playing. This 10 guilds have 413 Level 70 Characters. This is roughly 50% of my 840 initial total.</DIV> <DIV>Most of this guilds are raiding guilds and we can anticipate roughly 8-9 Troubadours in their ranks (roughly 50% of my 17 counted Troubs).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is not the case :</DIV> <DIV>Pandemonium 0 / 48 (Our most über guild. No contest. I bought all my masters from their leads as i knew for a long time they declared Troubs useless for high end raiding (since LU13 actually))</DIV> <DIV>Lance Dragon 1 / 48</DIV> <DIV>Apocalypse 0 / 49</DIV> <DIV>Guetteurs 1 / 48</DIV> <DIV>Phoenix Reborn 1 / 44</DIV> <DIV>Penombre 1 / 42</DIV> <DIV>Larmes Brisees 0 / 35</DIV> <DIV>Pandore 1 / 34</DIV> <DIV>Sanctuna 1 / 33</DIV> <DIV>LVDA 0 / 32</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok, let's count : 6 Troubadours in 10 major guilds... I suppose we Troubs are not very appreciated in raids...</DIV> <DIV>And i have to add that in 4 cases on 6, the Troubs are officers, if not founders, of this guilds. Obviously there are long played characters since the creation of the guild and this is probably why this troubadours are still in this guilds' rosters. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6 were found in major guilds, that was letting me with 10 unknown Troubs (because i know where i am <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, by reading each and every roster i found that on my 10 i had one unguilded and the 9 others in mid-sized to family guilds. These guilds are mostly around levels 25 to 35. Around 60% of these Troubs are ranked at least Officers in their guilds.</DIV> <DIV>I still guess they are long played characters since the creation of the guild. Wanting to inspire strenght and courage... And so...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, when the Troubadour himself is desperate, who will sing him a joyful song ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit : On the method : I browsed eq2p with adv. char search and guild rosters manual count.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Myrddhinn on <span class=date_text>05-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:45 PM</span>

Falkounet
05-29-2006, 03:30 PM
<div></div>Hi, I'm on Storm, and I have a 52 troub. Each time I'm watching the recruting window I can see the same classes wanted : troubs and defilers, check it, you will see. They are not unwanted, the 10 troubs you listed are probably in little guilds they don't want to quit, because joining a "major guild" doesn't interest them.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Falkounet on <span class=date_text>05-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:32 AM</span>

Myrddhinn
05-29-2006, 03:38 PM
<P>Please count them by yourself</P> <P><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/guild_roster.vm?mode=character_level&guildId=30302" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/guild_roster.vm?mode=character_level&guildId=30302</A></P> <P>I did all my stats this way...</P> <P>And for the recruiting, i like your explanation. I underlined the fact that most of the level 70 Troubs were ranked in their own guilds.</P> <P>But, if this difficulties to recruit are verified, this would also show a lack of troubs on the "players market". </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

Falkounet
05-29-2006, 03:58 PM
http://www.eq2census.com/Choose server storm, lvl 70-70, troubsThen you'll have the 17 troubs lvl70, only one is guildless, and I think evry time he login he's telled by evrywhere to join a guild.At lvl52 (not very high lvl) my defiler were already telled minimum 1 time per day to join a guild, 4 time the day I accept a guild invite. Guilds are heavily recruiting rare classes like troubs or defilers (not sure for the 2 other most rares classes that are coercer and brawler because I don't play one), and guilds that recruit only lvl60+ are agree to guild lower lvl for those classes, and without any test or apply on a forum, because the game is to guild them before the others guilds.<div></div>

Jooneau
05-31-2006, 01:03 AM
Guilds recruiting classes just because they're rarely played is just silly. Did they ever consider that there might be reasons why these classes are so rarely played (ie., nerfed to hell, boring to play, etc.)?