We Will Leave in Droves

[Toonmaster]

<DIV>As you kill off any interest in playing a Troubador - I assume you are aware that quality players will be leavine in droves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The changes you plan will:</DIV> <DIV>Have little or no effect on Raids</DIV> <DIV>Will have MASSIVE effects on soloing.</DIV> <DIV>Will have MASSIVE effects on grouping.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People play the troubador class because they are creative thinkers.  They value a variety of options.  They are constantly aware of the entire fight environment.  The move in and out of a variety of roles and contribute to group success in a tangible way.  This is what make playing the Troubador rewarding.  UNIQUE is a word that should describe the class.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your thinking is baffling.  Why would you take a class that few even play - but is working ok and distroy it.  Why would anyone choose a Troubador over any other scout class.  Assassins and Swashbucklers do WAY more damage and bring group inviz and use of poisen and unbound area damage to the party.  I guess the Troubador class will be left to only those that wish to have an auto-follow mana battery.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am a 70 level Troubador with a very sad finger hovering over the delete button.</DIV>

[Crombie]

<DIV>I am greatly curious as to what the devs intend troubs to be?  So many changes with no explination ~ we are going to have to relearn our class (to find it is basicly passive buffing).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With these recent LU 23/24 things that have befallen, or soon to come to, the class of Troubador.  I find it that we are less of a defined class with each update.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I swear they decide things something like this...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>Dev A</U> designs the troubador class</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>~Somewhere along the way all power drains become pointless < Hey we still have power drains now! ></DIV> <DIV>...</DIV> <DIV><U>Dev B</U> says "Pfft troubadors shouldnt be a defensive stat buffers for tanks and defense - REVAMP"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><U>LU 13</U></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>Dev B</U> makes us a caster centered buffer with a decent charm / mez / spell procs - became very enjoyable after getting use to the change.  </DIV> <DIV>...</DIV> <DIV><U>Dev C</U> says "Spell procs should be based on casting time!  (schemes silently: That way all the troubador button mashing is in vain Mwhaha! *coughs*)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U><STRONG> LU 23 </STRONG></U></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>Dev C</U> looks over the Troubador class again and says "Whats this?! Troubadors shouldnt have mezzes and charms!!"  SLASH/ BURN!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>charm taken from 7.5 min to 8 seconds ... mez reduced from 50 seconds to 20 seconds with 20 second recast</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><U>LU24</U></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and the outcome is a class with power drains that do nothing, a useless 8 second charm, and a mez that doesnt allow us to secure even one mob safely... with power regen and other passive buffs that dont require anything but auto follow to use!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All the while Moorguard is doing a bit of this</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/community/emeraldhide_7.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In reality these changes will effect me personally very much.  Soloing is rather difficult without mez, and I personally use charm all the time.  To have these stripped away with our damage... I just dont understand!!!  Would greatly love a reply to one of the many posts here on the troub forums</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Crombie on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:46 AM</span>

[Killerbee3000]

<FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toonmaster wrote:<BR> <DIV>As you kill off any interest in playing a Troubador - I assume you are aware that quality players will be leavine in droves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The changes you plan will:</DIV> <DIV>Have little or no effect on Raids</DIV> <DIV>Will have MASSIVE effects on soloing.</DIV> <DIV>Will have MASSIVE effects on grouping.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People play the troubador class because they are creative thinkers.  They value a variety of options.  They are constantly aware of the entire fight environment.  The move in and out of a variety of roles and contribute to group success in a tangible way.  This is what make playing the Troubador rewarding.  UNIQUE is a word that should describe the class.  </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>every class should be unique. </FONT><FONT color=#ffffcc>that said, they should give us something unique in return for the nerfs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Your thinking is baffling.  Why would you take a class that few even play - but is working ok and distroy it.  Why would anyone choose a Troubador over any other scout class.  Assassins and Swashbucklers do WAY more damage and bring group inviz and use of poisen and unbound area damage to the party.  I guess the Troubador class will be left to only those that wish to have an auto-follow mana battery.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am a 70 level Troubador with a very sad finger hovering over the delete button.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>well said, why should anyone choose a trouby? i dont see a reason for it.<BR>

[Oneira]

My troub is already on the shelf and will not be unshelved until LU24 is out.  Then it's play or delete.  I'm seriously thinking of rolling up a Dirge and just forgetting the whole thing. <div></div>

[Snublefot]

<P>To leave in droves you need numbers. Troubadour dont have numbers. Its a oxynom :p</P> <P>And I bet a high percentage is utility bards. You know, the ones that are used on raids. I'm one, I wont be alowed to change main. Or leave :p</P>

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

Anyone else realize that after these updates we will be nothing but a swashbuckler without the cool debuffs and still no dps. They have a 20 sec mezz on a ridiculous recast too! I would hate for these changes. I won't be able to think outside the box anymore because I won't be anything but a stupid square. Might as well kill of the bard class period. In eq1 bards were ridiculously overpowered and got nerfed a lot but were still able to kick some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. But now we will simply just be a class that even fewer will be playing, mostly newcomers that are testing classes out or people (like myself) that hope someday the devs quit 'balancing' classes by nerfing all the otherones. Because it would take too much coding to change the one class instead of all 24 right?? Oh I got a great idea, in fact why don't they give us instruments like they were talking about early dof/ late launch? Or how about some plate gear for bards so we don't die everytime we solo enemies 8 levels lower than us since even fully fable geared and master 1 buffs/ca's/spells surely cant do that by itself. Our avoidance is crap, our mitigation is worse oh and who can forget that all the other scout classes got a defensive and offensive stance, but bards didn't? Sony didn't drop the ball because they don't even have it in play. I don't think bards should be restrained to 2d depth for the incapability of soe to think (period)  outside the box themselves.

[Razor]

<DIV>I'm one of the lucky ones.....my account expires in June.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ALL we are asking is for some customer service!!! Acknowledge that there are concerns!!!! Give us a standard "We understand that this update will impact the gameplay of many troubs, and will be looking into your concerns" post for gods sake.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Micro</DIV>

[Cygnu]

---------------My troub is already on the shelf and will not be unshelved until LU24 is out. Then it's play or delete. I'm seriously thinking of rolling up a Dirge and just forgetting the whole thing.---------------It seems that might well be an option with the new betrayal system. You could switch your Troubadour out for a Dirge <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I have thought about that myself, but no doubt after all that effort they'll just nerf Dirges again. I am thinking cancelling my account is the better option.<p>Message Edited by CygnusX on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:51 AM</span>

[Sir Blig]

<DIV>So who will be starting the remembrance thread?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tytle: RIP Tombstones (Rest in Pieces)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1st post “In remembrance or and Dedicated to those great souls that braved the class, those fighting few who reveled in the Bardic traditions and ideals, Jack’s of all Masters on none. Driven to an early end by SOE.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let them be named: (and mention end state: i.e. Canceled, Shelved, Stuck in Limbo and can only be rezed for short times to be dragged out by Raiding party with lots of priest casting there rez’s on them at the same time)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please only post if and when you are passing over the the nether worlds”</DIV>

[thorvang]

there's still one problem:for every single mob in game (ok, maybe except this demon in hos) rather stable tactics have been found to kill them.every change to the troub soley wouldn't change this tactics. why would you change a working one?bards could get offered more utility, but they're already not needed other than for their buffs.

[Mephe]

<P>Hmmmm poor troubies <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P> <P>I decided to check out the forums .. I was considering coming back to play EQ2 with my long retired lvl 50 Troubadour. I quit playing before the cap was increased to level 60 due to lack of content and the sad push to nerf the original troubadour.  Originally the troub was a party based buffing class unlike the dirge who focused on debuffing mobs.</P> <P>I remember having to constantly recast mana song after 2:30 mins for all of my 50 levels.... only to see extremely poor judgement on SOE's behalf to change timers to 10mins which seemed to only encourage BOT users to our already unpopular class.</P> <P>When I heard the move to alter my beloved class to that which was aligned soley to buff a class which was 1 quater of the servers population (ie. Caster- Wiz mage etc) I was horrified .......</P> <P>I thought perhaps after  a year of being retired from playing the game,  the game might actually be fun to try out again................................ LOL I return to the forums to check out how the class is doing and you wouldnt believe its still in the same state of LIMBO ............. not a thing has changed !!!</P> <P>- A class which STILL has no true role in a group ........ my god they made mage buffing worse ?????</P> <P>- A class which still has no defining aspect ......... Best bot class in game aint what I was prepared for ???</P> <P>- Still no instruments OMG LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL</P> <P> </P> <P>Was quite interested in checking out the game again SOE with all the new content etc but .................... No thanks seems nothing much has changed and the same old trained monkeys are still up there passing poor judgement.</P> <P>Heck the message count alone in the class discussion boards should have been proof enough.</P> <P>Might see yas in another years time ............ <crosses fingers in hopes of Vanguard coming sooner></P> <P> </P> <P>Goodluck fellow Troubbies I dont hold much hope for you all .</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[WorldsAway_Nybor]

<P>A remembrance thread would be good. My account expires in June, and then lil Nybora will be gone, probably for good.</P> <P>Somewhere along the line it occurred to me that I was working 8+ hours a day at a computer, only to come home and sit at another computer doing....well, after LU24, doing nothing. </P> <P>For me, soloing was fun with charm, grouping was fun because of our mini chanter role. Raiding was rather bland but that wasn't so bad. Just watch the TV while the other 23 people do all the work, then bingo! You get all the troubadour masters because you are the only daft bugger who plays a troubadour in the guild :smileytongue:</P> <P>So nothing to do with being underpowered or nerfed to kingdom come for me. I would stick with that in the hope that some day it would be addressed. I'm gone cos the game is heading in a direction that will no longer be fun for me. I don't need to play LU24 to know this; the very fact that such changes are even being considered was enough for me to leave, after 15 months of fun.</P> <P>Or was it fun? Next week, I'm starting a new hobby, which I call 'sticking needles in my eyes'. For 3-4 hours a night I'll poke pointy things into my eyes. After a while Im sure I'll get used to it, and will tell myself that I'm having fun. Only this time, I'm buying my needles from Tesco, not Sony :smileywink:</P> <P> </P> <P>Bye bye my fellow troubs!</P> <P>.....</P> <P>Oh wait, are you coming with me? Very well, will the last bard to leave remember to turn off the lights. But I dont think I have enough needles for all of you...</P> <P> </P>

[Cuz]

<P>But you can do both stick needles in your eyes and play a troub at the same time!</P> <P>Odd part is that I have a coercer called Nybbor, my Troub is Robbyn. Every time I see your name it's kind of weird :p</P>

[Noguks]

<P>I've respecced my Nagafen pvp troub AA's to your typical raid buff bot spec and will log him on probably once a week for a raid to get stuff for my new Warden.</P> <P> </P>

[WorldsAway_Nybor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jenoy wrote:<BR> <P>But you can do both stick needles in your eyes and play a troub at the same time!</P> <P>Odd part is that I have a coercer called Nybbor, my Troub is Robbyn. Every time I see your name it's kind of weird :p</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Oh! My alt is called Robyn :smileytongue:</P> <P>And I normally name my toons Nybor, but when I bought the game it told me that was rude :smileysad:</P> <P>You wouldn't be called Robin and/or Robyn in real life by any chance, and just as unimaginative as me:smileytongue:</P>

[CBRad9]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Killerbee3000 wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>every class should be unique. </FONT><FONT color=#ffffcc>that said, they should give us something unique in return for the nerfs.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We are unique.  We are the only class that can play /afk

[Cuz]

<P>No, my name is quite far from that :p</P> <P>I called my Troub Robbyn Goodfellow. For all you fairy tale fans, especially on hot summer nights.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Nybbor is RPed as a my bad alchemy and annoying Illusionist guild mate's personae <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Hogatha]

<DIV>So they screwed my Fury with the combat changes made nearly a year ago and I reroll Troub.  Was fun while it lasted.  I guess I've been very on the edge of leaving EQ2 altogether for WoW and this is the final nudge that will push me off.  Good going :smileymad:  Why can they not see that we play these games for fun??</DIV>

[Jaimster]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hogatha wrote:<BR> <DIV>So they screwed my Fury with the combat changes made nearly a year ago and I reroll Troub.  Was fun while it lasted.  I guess I've been very on the edge of leaving EQ2 altogether for WoW and this is the final nudge that will push me off.  Good going :smileymad:  Why can they not see that we play these games for fun??</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>[Removed for Content] me too - my main was a fury until LU13. My 70 troub and 47 Conj were my alts of choice... i must be a masochist but you couldn't pay me to play WoW.

[Baynne]

<P>quote "crosses fingers in hopes of Vanguard coming sooner"</P> <P> </P> <P>sony has their grimy paws on that too, so that game is already screwed.</P>

[reaper_m]

<DIV>Been reading snippets about the Vanguard troub and they do sound interesting. Sigil is planning for them to get good DPS as well as the ability to compose their own songs. Troubs get instruments too in that game. I'm looking forward to Vanguard, SOE or not.</DIV>

[Killerbee3000]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> reaper_man wrote:<BR> <DIV>Been reading snippets about the Vanguard troub and they do sound interesting. Sigil is planning for them to get good DPS as well as the ability to compose their own songs. Troubs get instruments too in that game. I'm looking forward to Vanguard, SOE or not.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>same here, actually i think soe will turn eq2 more and more ina  copy of wow to compete with it and everyone who wants a more challenging game will go to vanguard so soe will have both, a good game and piece of crap to cater to wow noobs. just my 2 cents though.

[Jaimster]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Killerbee3000 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> reaper_man wrote:<BR> <DIV>Been reading snippets about the Vanguard troub and they do sound interesting. Sigil is planning for them to get good DPS as well as the ability to compose their own songs. Troubs get instruments too in that game. I'm looking forward to Vanguard, SOE or not.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>same here, actually i think soe will turn eq2 more and more ina  copy of wow to compete with it and everyone who wants a more challenging game will go to vanguard so soe will have both, a good game and piece of crap to cater to wow noobs. just my 2 cents though.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't understand why they can't be happy with the "happy-medium" game that they had going... based on hearsay, Vanguard would be a bit more hardcore than I think some would enjoy and WoW is just ridiculous... though since Vanguard will be on Station Pass and both my husband and I have that, maybe we'll try it and see when it comes out...

[Tamo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Baynne wrote:<BR> <P>quote "crosses fingers in hopes of Vanguard coming sooner"</P> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#cc0000>sony has their grimy paws on that too, so that game is already screwed.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>From what I have read they have no actual "say" in what goes into the game. They will only host it on their servers, so I'm not worried about Vanguard.<BR>

[fiercele]

<div></div>My alt is a troubador. My troub is my relaxing class to play, just out for some fun nobody cares if i do dps becouse I dont have any and nobody cares if i mez anyway most pick up groups wouldnt even know I had a mez if i didnt macro it, so it just gets broken constantly. So I'm not really woried about the mez and charm changes. Ill still be able to sit back do mediocre dps give my group some power and have some fun, thats all we really are anyway,  for the entertainment, sing songs that make our companions braiver and stronger, tell stories of the brave warriors that defeated the mobs that we were there to witness, and confound the enemys with words of confusion to help divert there attention, and most importantly to make our enemys weaker and more vulnerable to attacks from our companions, and attacks to our companions. Honestly guys, troubador are not mind bending coercers or illusionists, having the ability to stop 3-4 heroics ^^^'s indefinetly is overpowerd, its fun and can honestly be thedifference between a group dieing and living but maybe your tank shouldnt have pulled so many mobs in the first place :p dont get me wrong I mez things when im stading around just for the sake of it but its overpowerd. Dont get so down about the class i think im still going to have just as much fun playing my troub as the day i started it. I ve been there for the nerfs but nothing has ever been class breaking. The upcoming update is an acceptable balance to this game and shouldnt be that heartbreaking. I hope I get my point across I am wired on about 8 cups of coffee, maybe ill come back and edit when I stop shaking for the overdose of caffeine. /dance <div></div><p>Message Edited by fierceleaf on <span class=date_text>05-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:53 AM</span>

[Sir Blig]

<P>"Honestly guys, troubador are not mind bending coercers or illusionists, having the ability to stop 3-4 heroics ^^^'s indefinetly is overpowerd, its fun and can honestly be thedifference between a group dieing and living but maybe your tank shouldnt have pulled so many mobs in the first place  dont get me wrong I mez things when im stading around just for the sake of it but its overpowerd."</P> <P> </P> <P>simply saying it is over powered is not the answer, one has to look at what is going on. first off what dps we would have been able to do goes to Zero, so fewer would there to burn,</P> <P>DUO would mean = one person having to one by one take out all the mobs</P> <P>Trio, well welcome to heroics, made to be taken down by three or more</P> <P>Chances are </P> <P>Put an extra DPS in instead and they would be burned down anyway.</P> <P>Put an extra healer in instead and they would be able to outlast it.</P> <P><BR>And forbid the thought of putting a chanter in the group, well if they put a chanter in the group the poor chanter can just lock them all down/charm in a fraction of the time and will have plenty of time to out dps anything we could have done.</P> <P> </P> <P>So were we really overpowered? If we are so over powered why don’t people flock to play the class, and same for chanters if there skill in this area are so much better and this such a source of power why is it the least played class?<BR></P>

[fiercele]

 Thats just the way it is people arent going to "flock" to play a troub becouase they have great mezzing ability thats not why people play troubadors atleast thats not why I started playing a troubador and youd be lieing if you said thats why you did. Coercer and illusionist are the least played class becouse it takes a speacial breed of person to want to play that class, its very demnding and frustrating. If troubadors were meant to have so much crowd control and have all the other abilities they do they would be called Trousionsists or Coercadors. :p And saying you can add a different class to solve the problem of not having a troubador in any instance, sure you can kill mobs without a tank or without a healer  you can add dps all you want, thats the flavor of the game you can defeat an encounter any which why you like. A troub isnt a group breaking class(oh no the troub is leaving well I guess thats all the xp today) but its sure great to have them around even if they arent mezzing every add the group gets thats what coercers and illusionits are for. As a tank I wouldnt even think about xping without a bard  and to be honest I would never let him mez anyway, thats what AE's are for!! :p (open wounds FTW) So your self hatered is uneeded, Groups love you, raids love you, casters love you, tanks love  you, and they dont love you becouse you have the ability to mez anything you want, slowly:p  Yes im simply saying, 4 ^^^'s indefinalty mezzed by a scout wether or not your doing dps, is overpowerd, period! <div></div>

[Hogatha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> fierceleaf wrote:<BR> My alt is a troubador. My troub is my relaxing class to play, just out for some fun nobody cares if i do dps becouse I dont have any and nobody cares if i mez anyway most pick up groups wouldnt even know I had a mez if i didnt macro it, so it just gets broken constantly. <BR>So I'm not really woried about the mez and charm changes. Ill still be able to sit back do mediocre dps give my group some power and have some fun, thats all we really are anyway,  for the entertainment, sing songs that make our companions braiver and stronger, tell stories of the brave warriors that defeated the mobs that we were there to witness, and confound the enemys with words of confusion to help divert there attention, and most importantly to make our enemys weaker and more vulnerable to attacks from our companions, and attacks to our companions. <BR><BR>Honestly guys, troubador are not mind bending coercers or illusionists, having the ability to stop 3-4 heroics ^^^'s indefinetly is overpowerd, its fun and can honestly be thedifference between a group dieing and living but maybe your tank shouldnt have pulled so many mobs in the first place :p dont get me wrong I mez things when im stading around just for the sake of it but its overpowerd.<BR><BR>Dont get so down about the class i think im still going to have just as much fun playing my troub as the day i started it. I ve been there for the nerfs but nothing has ever been class breaking. The upcoming update is an acceptable balance to this game and shouldnt be that heartbreaking.<BR><BR>I hope I get my point across I am wired on about 8 cups of coffee, maybe ill come back and edit when I stop shaking for the overdose of caffeine. /dance<BR> <P>Message Edited by fierceleaf on <SPAN class=date_text>05-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:53 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You must not solo very much then.  Out of any class I've played, Troubador is the LEAST relaxing, which is why I like(d) it.  Yes, it would be relaxing, probably, if I only grouped and my main purpose was just to be within the range of providing of buffs. 

[Sir Blig]

<DIV>"Thats just the way it is people arent going to "flock" to play a troub becouase they have great mezzing ability thats not why people play troubadors atleast thats not why I started playing a troubador and youd be lieing if you said thats why you did."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lieing? actualy please go check out what the reast of te troubs are saying, CC was a major reason, if it was the only thing I wanted I would have played a chanter, I love bards always have and what i liked about troubs was the CC and that lean toward magic. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are you not playing a Dirge? why would people choose a troub over a Dirge. the quick compair is usualy they get Rez we get CC.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With this gutting of CC how will we compair,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know how much i have used my CC's and I know that i would have given up long ago if they were not there and chances are i would have been playing a dirge if they were not there.</DIV>

[fiercele]

<div></div>I apologize after confrencing with a fellow troubador I see error in my argument. We did both agree that in its current state it is overpowerd and slight adjustment would have have been acceptable, but the current in testing state is unacceptable, and I agree with you that they should still have the ability to mez and lock down an encounter(s) and not be [Removed for Content] of a class defining ability. A less drastic nerf is definitly in order here.  I was hasty to dismiss the fact that many troubadors only play there class to have the ability to CC I for one am not one of them. And should not speak for the many who do. And if this change goes live, there must be retrubition to the troubador class to balance this change. <div></div><p>Message Edited by fierceleaf on <span class=date_text>05-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:28 PM</span>

[Sir Blig]

<DIV>no prob <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>one interesting thing is i have yet to hear of any troub playing his toon as a lock down bot</DIV>

[Sile]

Primary reason raids loves us - hate decreaser and power regen.   Everything else is pretty much secondary and none of it's class defining.  Our DPS is so low now it's pathetic.   Need a better role for us in raids that is engaging and not as some people allude to,  /af /afk.     For grouping and/or soloing, our ability to mez was a huge part of our skillset.  It was never overpowering or gamebreaking.  They've really screwed the pooch here, but I think they can find a way out of it, I just hope it doesn't take 10-15 LUs to see a beneficial change for us.<div></div>

[LodrinSt]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> fierceleaf wrote:<BR> <BR>Honestly guys, troubador are not mind bending coercers or illusionists, having the ability to stop 3-4 heroics ^^^'s indefinetly is overpowerd, its fun and can honestly be thedifference between a group dieing and living but maybe your tank shouldnt have pulled so many mobs in the first place :p dont get me wrong I mez things when im stading around just for the sake of it but its overpowerd. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Because Lullaby/Reverie casts instantly, takes no power, is unresistable, is easy to target, causes no agro, and has no reuse timer </P> <P>*rolls eyes.* So Overpowered. </P> <P>It's called skill. </P> <P>Anyways, back to the original post.</P> <P>Troubadour's need something to do <STRONG>activiely.</STRONG> Buffs don't count because EVERYONE gets buffs.</P> <P>Abilities when used properly that allow a troubadour to feel useful. Period. </P> <P>If it's not CC, Power Drain, or DPS, then what the hell is left? Our insignificant debuffs? Lol.</P> <P>I'm feeling the DELETE key too.</P><p>Message Edited by LodrinStar on <span class=date_text>05-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:08 PM</span>