Sony... please... do something nice for troubs....

[Dystopya]

With the proc damage nerf and the upcoming mez/charm destruction.... heres what I plan to do when I log in and get to the raid..../afk/folThats right. Go afk and autofollow so that my group gets my one trick pony buff which is the only thing im good for, my hate reducer.All throughout eq1's history, I never once encoutnered a huge change to any of my characters which made me want to quit playing. I played eq1 for 6 years. Ive played eq2 for less than two years, and already there has been three entirely off the wall gigantic changes that have made me consider stop paying to play this game. Two of them within the past two weeks.Please do something to acknowledge that you understand that the players behind the troubador feel useless and that they could be doing their job away from the keyboard. This class has went from what we percieve to be extremely balanced and fun to completely boring and underpowered over a two week span of time.<div></div>

[Mawie]

While I am usually the last person to jump on the bandwagon when it comes to asking for a reconsideration on class changes, I'm pretty much right there with you. Our DPS was already pretty lousy, so taking away our best way to solo/small group hurts. I know I am still viable in the world of raiding, but I raid so rarely that that is a moot point. I'm one sad Troubador. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[WorldsAway_Nybor]

<P>I'm already considering my other options in terms of MMO gaming. I'm not the kind of person who can play more than one character (just dont have the time) and I am so fond of my troubadour. The problem is, through all of this, I just don't know how I can be bothered anymore. Was having so much fun after LU13. Spell procs I could get over as, despite my better judgement, I assumed our spell/combat art damage would be looked at soon to address the issue of personal DPS. But to remove our solo/heroic crowd control (20s duration 20s recast for mez is as good as removed in my eyes), it just pushes things too far.</P> <P>To be blunt, this is turning into SWG all over again, at least in terms of how I as a customer feel tossed aside and given no consideration. I guess the real question is not when will the developer learn, but when will I? :smileyindifferent:</P>

[Nevari]

Heh so true <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Errie_Tholluxe]

 When I started my troub and my dirge here in EQ2 I really expected - well more of what the bard did in EQ1. Now I know EQ1 is a totally different game and all, so please dont smack me for having said it - but when I got here it turned out that hey, they get cool stuff for groups - and cant do anything else alone for the most part.  To me it seems they are turning the whole bard class into what that extra enchanter was in EQ1. You ! Stand over there and do all your buffs on your group ! What? Help? Nah ya dps is horrid, and we got ONE enchanter to do all the work.. just stand there and snore. Buff bot is the word that comes to mind.  Hard as it is to level up a toon where your constantly falling asleep in the group, raiding with em is even worse <span>:smileysad:</span> /afk /fol ? would anyone really notice? I doubt it, long as your aware enough to run back from a whipe.  Bards as a whole need to be given SKILLS that DO something, require something from the player, keep you occupied, and make you feel viable. On the whole this aint happened.<div></div>

[Snublefot]

<P>Solo play. Kill green and blue stuff. Stay away from 1 arrow mobs. No more mezing if in trouble and no more charm to get hå back if things go horribly wrong (and it usually do playing a troubladour)</P> <P>Group play. Need tank and healer. Oh and dps. Hope noone question why I'm there in the first place. No more saving groups by mezing 2 tripple arrow adds beating down on soft targets. Mezing was perhaps the most fun thing I could do in a group.</P> <P>Raid play. Wont be affected - much. Only thing is, why raid when the first two parts of the game is nerfed to hell and back? I'm already feeling this part. I'm basically a moving buff totem.</P> <P>Why hit Troubadours so hard? Its never been overpowered. I've seen my ability to debuff power taken away, adjusted playstyle. Now crowd controll is taken away. The reason why many aimed for 50 way back. Its nothing left of the class. Its just another dps class, without the dps to justify beeing dps.</P> <P>Solution? Revert the crowd controll changes. For the love of whatever god you believe in. I dont care about pvp. I dont care about mezing epics - chanters can have that all by themself. All I want is my 50s duration - 10s recast mez for solo and group play. And a charm to stay out of trouble. Scrap the full controll part, I can live with it just the way it is on live right now. </P> <P><STRONG>Stop nerfing my class!!!</STRONG></P>

[mook85az]

The troubador was my favorite class out of any MMORPG I've ever played (EQ, DAoC, FFXI, WoW, EQII) and now I can't bring myself to log on.  I'm just totally demoralized and wasted.  I saw myself as being the spell proc guy and crowd control.  Now those are gone.  I'm at a loss for what I'm supposed to be doing in combat. <div></div>

[SureShot]

Good points from all of you.  Truly sad times for those of us left playing this class.

[schwantz007]

<P>There will be one less, unless we actually get an explanantion someday.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by schwantz007 on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:30 AM</span>

[Mishrac]

<P>Well there will prolly just be about 10 to 20 active trubs left on every server and they are just going to log on for raids... i think its sad.</P> <P> </P>

[Noguks]

<P>My two main classes are Troub (69) and Coercer (55)</P> <P>Its pretty sad that if it wasnt for power regen we wouldnt get xp groups and if it wasnt for the deaggro buff we probably wouldnt be wanted for raids.</P> <P>Thats what our class is now about, two buffs.</P> <P>Coercers have charm, power regen, hate buff, CC.  How would they feel if you left them with only power regen and hate buff?  Coercers are able to solo insane content. Ex.  In instances they can cast one dd/root on a ^^^yellow heroic follow up with charm then send that mob to fight another mob, watch their pet die in 10 seconds and get xp and loot for their pets death.  Rince and repeat for the whole instance.  Yeah been there done that.  In groups they can lock down a non epic mob for 90% of a fight with stuns and stifles.  What enchanters needed help on was <U>epic encounters</U>, thats it.  All they had to do was put in the epic CC stuff and everyone would have been happy.  </P> <P>There was a spoke missing in the wheel so they went and replaced the whole darn thing with a square wheel.  Sounds like someone is milking the sony cow for their paycheck.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[VericSauvari]

well in all fairness we do not do extremely horrible DPS...we just need to work twice as hard to hit a *respectable* dps number now (those of us without high rated DW fabled weapons that is) <div></div>

[Kaelos_]

<div></div>> Thats what our class is now about, two buffs. uh oh. you just gave them a clue as to what to nerf next so they can wipe out the troub population. Troub Genocide. I guess as soon as Vanguard comes out, I'll try the Vanguard Bard and compare. I doubt sony will do anything for the troub class by then.  Who knows, maybe they'll just combine Dirge and Troub and make a "Bard" class. And now that they'll be hosting the servers and handling the billing of Vanguard, my money will just go from 1 of their games to another of their games. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Kaelos_CZ on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:46 AM</span>

[Errie_Tholluxe]

<div><blockquote><hr>Noguks wrote:<div></div><p>Ex.  In instances they can cast one dd/root on a ^^^yellow heroic follow up with charm then send that mob to fight another mob, watch their pet die in 10 seconds and get xp and loot for their pets death.  <u></u></p><hr></blockquote>Aint been like that for a long time, twas fixed. Either that or its just MY account. And I kinda doubt that</div>

[Vandileir]

<P>wana do something nice for me? remove mez and charm from my knowledge book and replace them with a mid and high damage nuke with casting times matching Perfect Shrill so they stand a chance of proccing at least arias.</P> <P>That or let me respect to another class entirely so that 70 lvls arent sitting here wasted.</P><p>Message Edited by Vandileir on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:38 PM</span>

[starlight02]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> VericSauvari wrote:<BR>well in all fairness we do not do extremely horrible DPS...we just need to work twice as hard to hit a *respectable* dps number now (those of us without high rated DW fabled weapons that is)<BR> <HR> <P>i dunno...when running a parser, i'm always at the low end of the dps ladder.  believe me, i know what i'm doing.  i don't have uber gear, but i know how to play my class.  granted, i spend a good deal of time debuffing, which is going to take away from my dps.  however, even when i go all out dps i still don't do well compared to others.  i love my troub, and i'm gonna stick with him until the end.  =)  just waiting for them to take evac away from us, though...it's the last of my favorite spells remaining, after they took away our spell proc and charm/mez.  =*(</P> <P>*does his best to dodge the nerf bat*</P> <P>take care!!!</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>

[Sylvrin]

<DIV>/cry</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm going to be scared to do solo writs now.  I'll do ok if I don't get any adds, but if I get an add I'm going to drop dead probably.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bria's Entrancing Sonnet after LU25 = 8 seconds of waiting for a self-infilicted death sentence  SCARY!</DIV>

[Rampagious]

So, I remember when LU13 came out and well, we weren't nerfed, but we definately were not as powerful as before, and dirges got a huge buff.  Now I remember telling myself its cool every class has its ups and downs in video games it will eventually even out.  Well since being either directly, or indirectly nerfed with nearly every LU since 13, lets just say that hope is far beyond gone.<div></div>

[Killerbee3000]

they coudl atleast  bring the instruments they once promised