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pera

02-18-2006, 04:13 AM

<blockquote><hr>Zarzu wrote:here we go again- as the beta server somehow felt like he should erase all my 50 aa points i cant give numbers on how the dmg of the dmg styles increases, but its not that much- damage values may vary with int and strbase abilitybard's luck (rank 1)grants the bard increased avoidance and spell resistance.passive spell- increases defense and parry of caster by 4.2- increases mitigation of caster vs all magical damage by 140strength linebladesinger's strength (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the bladesinger's strength by 4 for each rank.passive spell- increases str of caster by 4 with every rankturnstrike (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />a melee sword attack that briefly renders the bladesinger immune to area effect attacks unless they are the direct target of that effect.casting: 0.5srecast: 60sduration: 10s- inflicts 149 - 249 melee dmg on target- prevents aoe (except when direct)- if sword equipped in primarybladedance (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the bladesinger's group songs that increase avoidance skills have their values increased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase avoidance are more effective by 2% each rankbladesing (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the bladesinger's group songs that increase attributes have their values increased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase attributes are more effective by 5% each rankbladedance (rank 1)for a short duration, the bladesinger's group is protected against area effect abilities that do not directly target them.casting: 1.5srecast: 5minduration: 12s- prevents aoe (except when direct)agility linewayfarer's agility (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the wayfarer's agility by 5 for each rank.passive spell- increases agi of caster by 5bump (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />a positional melee dagger attack that shoves your target. if you target is a humanoid, you pickpocket them.casting: 0.5srecast: 2min- inflicts 187 - 312 melee damage on target - if target is humanoid- if dagger is equipped in primary- must be flanking or behindwayfarer's watch (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the wayfarer's parry skill.passive spell- increases parry of caster by 4.2 each rankpoison concoction (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />applies a homemade poison on the wayfarer's weapons, granting a chance to cause poison damage over-time on a successfull hit.passive spell- on a successfull attack this spell has a 2% (increases by 2% each rank) chance to cast poison on target of attack. lasts for 24s - inflicts 172 poison damage on target instantly and 86 poison damage every 6 secondsvanishing act (rank 1)instantly places the wayfarer's group into stealth for a short duration. vanishing act can be used while in combatcasting: instantrecast: 2minduration: 30s- grants stealth to group members (ae)- suspends group members (ae) movement speed enhancementsstamina lineskald's stamina (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the skald's stamina by 6 for each rank.passive spell- increases sta of caster by 6 with every rankround bash (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />a roundshield attack that knocks down the target if it hits.casting: 0.5srecast: 45s- inflicts 149 - 249 crushing damage on target- applies knockdown. lasts for 4s - stuns target - throws target back - blurs vision of target - if target is not epic- if roundshield equipped in secondaryskald's defense (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the skald's blocking ability while a roundshield is equipped.passive spell- increases caster's chance to block with a shield by 0.8% each rank- if roundshield is equipped in secondaryfortissimo (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the skald's chance at critical melee damage while a roundshield is equipped.passive spell- increases melee crit chance of caster by 5% each rank- if roundshield equipped in secondaryshield focus (rank 1)while a roundshield is equipeed, the skald is immune to most knockdown effects.passive spell - immunity to most knockdown effects- if roundshield equipped in secondarywisdom lineharbringer's wisdom (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the harbringer's wisdom by 8 for each rank.passive spell- increases wis of caster by 8 each rankharmonizing shot (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />a ranged bow attack that causes all enemies near the target to be snared for a short duration. the snare effect breaks easily if the targets receive any damage.casting: 1srecast: 30s- inflicts 149 - 249 ranged damage on target- decreases threat by 783- if bow is equipped in rangedharbringer's sonnet (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the harbringer's songs that increase group movement speed have their values increased, and the group's in-combat movement speed is also slightlyincreased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase movement speed are more effective by 1% every rank- increases in-combat movement speed of group members (ae) by 0.8% each rankallegro (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the harbringer's group gains increased casting speed [this description is wrong, seems not updated to current state of the aa tree]casting 2srecast 10sduration: until cancelled- increases damage spell crit chance of group members (ae) by 1% each rank (i am not sure what the change is here as the description is still the same and the mouseover tooltip is again with reduced cast time, but other dirges told me if you actually train in it its crit increase again by a little bit more than before, as my aa points are borked i dont have the exact numberdon't kill the messenger (rank 1)the harbringer's group gains critical percent chances for melee, ranged, spells and heals.casting: instantrecovery: instantduration: until cancelled- increases ranged crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%- increases damage spell crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%- increases melee crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%- increases heal crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%intelligence lineminstrel's intelligence (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the minstrel's intelligence by 7 for each rankpassive spell- increases int of caster by 7 each rankrythm blade (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />a melee rapier attack that grants an increase in combat skills, focus and casting techniques for a short duration if it hits.casting: 0.5srecast: 30sduration: 15s- inflicts 149 - 249 melee damage on target- increases focus, disruption, ministration, ordination, subjugation, crushing, slashing and piercing of caster by 18.5- if rapier equipped in primaryminstrel's aria (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the minstrel's songs that increase group combat skills or casting techniques have their values increased.passive spell- bard group songs that affect combat skills or casting techniques are more effective by 7% each rankminstrel's melody (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the minstrel's songs that increase group attack speed or damage per second have their values increased.passive spell- bard group songs augementing attack speed or damage per second have an increased effect by 5% each rankcoin toss (rank 1)instantly shift any heroic opportunity. coin toss can also be used while stifled, stunned or in the middle of casting a spell. when coin toss expires, it completes the scout symbol for the heroic opportunity's current step.casting: instantrecast: instantduration: 5s- processes scout requirements for heroic opportunities- applies bow symbol on termination- applies cloak symbol on termination- applies dagger symbol on termination- applies mask symbol on terminationMessage Edited by Zarzu on 02-19-200603:40 PM<hr></blockquote>Message Edited by perano on 02-19-200608:42 PM

Rampagious

02-18-2006, 09:42 AM

So I went over all these AAs which are currently boggling my mind. I decided that all that really is even DECENT for me to get is the self only immune to AE attack, the poison proc, and then just putting all the rest of points into stat abilities. I'm sure most of you are thinking, "but the spell crits and melee crits are good why would'nt you get those?" Well look at where they are at on the line both of them are tier 4, and both of then have NOTHING good before them. The stamina line is just a joke, lmfao roundshield ftl. I'm sure I'll have the regular flame incoming from Kulaf or whatever his name is, but TERRIBLE is all I am going to say. I pray that these dont make it to live, and or are changed sooner than later.

Rounl

02-19-2006, 12:16 AM

<div></div>now do i say have to get everything in front of the last skill on the "x" line just to have that skill or can i just pick and choose.

Rampagious

02-19-2006, 12:52 AM

You need to put 4 points into every skill before to get to the next tier - which is why it sucks so much that the crits are tier 4 with almost if not all abilities before them being awful.<div></div>

VericSauvari

02-19-2006, 12:56 AM

for some reason SOE is giving us self/parry defense AA's and AA's that require us to use a shield... i for one am quivering with excitement knowing we will finally be main tanking level 70 mobs! :smileytongue:

pera

02-19-2006, 01:27 AM

<blockquote><hr>VericSauvari wrote:for some reason SOE is giving us self/parry defense AA's and AA's that require us to use a shield... i for one am quivering with excitement knowing we will finally be main tanking level 70 mobs! :smileytongue:<hr></blockquote>LOLI'm guessing that this was designed for the solo bard player. Which kind of makes since but not really because our dps is so small anyways using a shield can mean death is a lot of cases because dps is just too low. (depends on the encouther)<div></div>

pera

02-19-2006, 01:40 AM

<div></div>The only abilites list here that imo are usefull for troubadors are: Poison proc, Allegro, and Dont Kill the MEssanger. the only bad part to obtain the three items (assuming both poison and allegro are taken to rank <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> are goign to use 49 points, leaving you with only one point left pretty much to just dump into a stat increase.minstrel's melody (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the minstrel's songs that increase group attack speed or damage per second have their values increased.passive spell- bard group songs augementing attack speed or damage per second have an increased effect by 2% each rankYeah and this one the 2% increase is just pointless imo, because at 60 the troub haste is 23%(Master I). Now if you increase that by 2% per rank ( 23 * 0.02 ) you increase your haste by 0.46% per rank, over the course of 8 ranks you will be able to add a wopping 3.68 making the t6 haste a total of 26.68% haste. I'm basing this assumion calculating the increase per rank based on the way the stat buffs are working. The also are 2% increase per rank, and with this calculation i'm useing the same method.Now it might be half way usefull if it ends up adding 16% haste to the spell(2 * <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Making the spell with the a total haste of 39% haste to the group, but still haste is near uselss unless its over 50%. (because of CA/spells)<div></div>Message Edited by perano on 02-18-200603:50 PM

Captain_Xpendab

02-19-2006, 03:34 AM

<div></div>And here I thought Achievements were supposed to be a way to "specialize you character", silly me.The Bard tree has clearly been carefully crafted so we can specialize in nothing.

Snublefot

02-19-2006, 11:24 PM

<div></div>The knockback imunity would be nice for a pvp troub, but I doubt I'll go all the way down and use 8 points in any of the lines.Right now I think I'll go down the wisdom branch and then put as many points as possible in int/str/agi increase.

pera

02-20-2006, 06:42 AM

Posted the updated AAs<div></div>

Iggyopalus

02-21-2006, 08:41 AM

<div></div><div>is it possible to put more than 1 point into don't kill the messenger? it just says rank 1 instead of rank 1-8</div><div>2% crit whatever is pretty much useless, 16% and I would use it especially if it stacks with the one before it, though it would suck if it takes a conc slot.</div><div> </div><div>and yes verik, I can see the future</div><div> </div><div>Verik and Acappella fighting over the t7 contested mobs, who will be the better tank? that remains to be seen. Crushbone will never be the same again!</div>Message Edited by Iggyopalus on 02-20-200607:45 PM

pera

02-21-2006, 09:07 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Iggyopalus wrote:<div></div><div>is it possible to put more than 1 point into don't kill the messenger? it just says rank 1 instead of rank 1-8</div><div>2% crit whatever is pretty much useless, 16% and I would use it especially if it stacks with the one before it, though it would suck if it takes a conc slot.</div><div> </div><div>and yes verik, I can see the future</div><div> </div><div>Verik and Acappella fighting over the t7 contested mobs, who will be the better tank? that remains to be seen. Crushbone will never be the same again!</div>Message Edited by Iggyopalus on 02-20-200607:45 PM<hr></blockquote>Dont Kill the Messanger is a final ability it cost 8 points to obtain, there is only one rank for this spell.<div></div>Message Edited by perano on 02-20-200611:07 PM

TruckerS

02-21-2006, 09:26 AM

<div></div>This makes no sense how about just a list of the abilities we get and what level? Why complicate things so much?

Iggyopalus

02-21-2006, 11:04 AM

<div>you earn the points as you lvl up so you can get any of those at any lvl, though it will naturally take longer to get the later ones in any tree b/c you will need more points. So they really don't have lvl restrictions.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>and in response to only being able to sit at 2% crit chance... that's craptastic</div>

Trabbart

02-21-2006, 06:54 PM

<div>harbringer's sonnet (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the harbringer's songs that increase group movement speed have their values increased, and the group's in-combat movement speed is also slightlyincreased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase movement speed are more effective by 1% every rank- increases in-combat movement speed of group members (ae) by 0.8% each rank</div><div> </div><div>Is kiting back? In combat movement speed? or doesnt it allow you to outrun the mob?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Sofar i mostly like the xtra stun we get with the stamina line, None of the tier 5 abilities (immune to knockdown maybe for solo play) seem to be worth 8 points, leave alone spending the 4 points per previous tier to get there. Will maximize some tier 1-4's and maybe some attributes.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

Haeli

02-21-2006, 10:52 PM

I preface this post by letting you all know im math-stupid..That said,When it says a 1% increase does it mean that, for example if you have 20% haste (made up number) you will now have 21% (in other words, an extra 1 percent in relation to your normal speed) or does it mean you will be getting 1% of the 20 that you already have, which would make that what, .2%?I used haste in the example but im referring to all the different abilities.Pardon my math-dumbocity.Thanks.<div></div>

Cuz

02-22-2006, 04:11 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Haelius wrote:I preface this post by letting you all know im math-stupid..That said,When it says a 1% increase does it mean that, for example if you have 20% haste (made up number) you will now have 21% (in other words, an extra 1 percent in relation to your normal speed) or does it mean you will be getting 1% of the 20 that you already have, which would make that what, .2%?I used haste in the example but im referring to all the different abilities.Pardon my math-dumbocity.Thanks.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm thinking you're right, about just flatout adding them. Well I sure hope so...

Rampagious

02-23-2006, 02:35 AM

Lol kinda funny how they change a lot of our AAs AGAIN right as exp came out - <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

Grimme

02-24-2006, 03:26 AM

<div></div>Its funny, I play 10 chars so Ive been checking each class list out and kind of looking over what I might go with.. and this list is by far the hardest so far for me.I get the feeling that the percentages are added on, like 23% + 1% = 24%, and are not a % of the total i.e 1% of 24% = .24. Otherwise these would be exceptionally weak compared to any other classes I have seen.If I am correct, some of these are actually quite good. I look forward to a post clarifying this.

Grimme

02-24-2006, 03:34 AM

<div></div>Oh also, dont freak too much about the roundshield thing (well ok if you must... but let me explain).There is a similar discussion regarding swashbucklers, except they have a 'nothing in secondary' req. Not even a shield?! Well, yes.. but those skills that force you to use a shield give you some nice damage boosters, like a 40% better chance to crit for example is huge. With the swash, the one-hander only skills give you really good stuff. I'm going with it for mine once I get to that point.In looking at the roundshield ones, they are actually pretty good! I'm thinking going with some of these specifically, in addition to the obvious stuff (that group parry bonus is nice, 16% more parry for the group can save alot of damage!) and you might actually do more damage than dual wielding with other choices.-might-. All I'm saying is it's not as crazy as it sounds at first.

Grimme

02-24-2006, 03:46 AM

<div>Alrighty then, my last post for a bit on this thread. Sorry, just getting excited about some of these AAs.Here are the AAs that fit my play style, as a general group buffing focused troub who likes to contribute as much dps as possible overall. These seem to me to be the best of the bunch.I know I can't get them all, and I understand how the point system works. I just need to put together a combo of these that will make me happy.Str-bladedance (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the bladesinger's group songs that increase avoidance skills have their values increased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase avoidance are more effective by 2% each rankbladesing (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the bladesinger's group songs that increase attributes have their values increased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase attributes are more effective by 5% each rankAgi-poison concoction (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />applies a homemade poison on the wayfarer's weapons, granting a chance to cause poison damage over-time on a successfull hit.passive spell- on a successfull attack this spell has a 2% (increases by 2% each rank) chance to cast poison on target of attack. lasts for 24s - inflicts 172 poison damage on target instantly and 86 poison damage every 6 secondsSta-round bash (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />a roundshield attack that knocks down the target if it hits.casting: 0.5srecast: 45s- inflicts 149 - 249 crushing damage on target- applies knockdown. lasts for 4s - stuns target - throws target back - blurs vision of target - if target is not epic- if roundshield equipped in secondaryfortissimo (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />increases the skald's chance at critical melee damage while a roundshield is equipped.passive spell- increases melee crit chance of caster by 5% each rank- if roundshield equipped in secondaryWis-harbringer's sonnet (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the harbringer's songs that increase group movement speed have their values increased, and the group's in-combat movement speed is also slightlyincreased.passive spell- group bard songs that increase movement speed are more effective by 1% every rank- increases in-combat movement speed of group members (ae) by 0.8% each rankdon't kill the messenger (rank 1)the harbringer's group gains critical percent chances for melee, ranged, spells and heals.casting: instantrecovery: instantduration: until cancelled- increases ranged crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%- increases damage spell crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%- increases melee crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%- increases heal crit chance of group members (ae) by 2%Int-minstrel's aria (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the minstrel's songs that increase group combat skills or casting techniques have their values increased.passive spell- bard group songs that affect combat skills or casting techniques are more effective by 7% each rankminstrel's melody (rank 1 to <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the minstrel's songs that increase group attack speed or damage per second have their values increased.passive spell- bard group songs augementing attack speed or damage per second have an increased effect by 5% each rank</div>

ForgottenFoundling

02-24-2006, 04:11 AM

<div></div>Looking at the AA tree, it seems some skills (their values) have been adjusted again.specifically:blade dance (group AE avoid) is up to 30s with a 10min recast.don't kill the messenger is 7.5% crit chance to all types (spells, heals, ranged, melee)