Buff and Attack breakdown of Troubadors for raid information [Archive]

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Shadoerider

05-12-2005, 02:08 AM

Attacks (if you can even call them that): ================================================== ==== Elegant Blade (Adept 1) 206-344 mental dmg on target Decreases AGI of target by 27 Decreases Mental Mitigation of target by 1121 (good for mental attacks) Sandra's Befuddling Incursion (Adept 1) 170-284 dmh on target Decrease power of target by 55 Decrease power of target by 14 every 2 seconds (this doesn't stick EVER) Inflict 29 dmg on target Decrease health of target by 31 every 2 seconds (this doesn't stick EVER) Eli's Thunderous Anthem (Adept 1) 389 dmg (3 second cast time 15 second recast time) Exquisite Shrill (Adept 1) 370-452 dmg on target Decrese STA by 5 Taffo's Dazzling Ditty (Adept 1) 303-505 dmg on target Decrese power of target by 203 Increse Attack Speed of Caster by 8-11% Cast Lullaby on Caster On successful Attack this spell has a 10% chance to prevent target from attacking. Only affects targets level 67 and below Purloin Essence (Adept 1) Decrease power of target by 247 Increase power of caster by 106 Group Attacks: ================================================== ==== Alin's Coruscating Concord (Adept 1) 245-299 dmg on target encounter Interrupts target Breathtaking Bellow (Apprentice 4) Interrupts target encounter 75 dmg to group encounter De-Buffs ================================================== ==== Zander's Choral Rebuff (Apprentice 4) Decrease Spell Avoidance of target encounter by 8 (This would be nice if it didn't have Concentraition) Oppressive Discante (Master 1) Decrease STR and AGI of target encounter by 36 Lore's Magniloquent Roust (Master 1) Decrese Defence of target by 8 Decrese Power of target by 46 5% chance to Prevent Attacker from attacking Increase AGI of caster by 4 Only affects Targets level 67 and below Guviena's Disparate Chant (Adept 1) Decrese WIS of target by 17 Slows target by 35% Decrese Power of target by 21-26 Breaks upon attack of target Self Buffs (Saved the best for last): ================================================== ==== Daelis' Dance of Blades (Master 1) Increase AGI of caster by 36 Increase DPS of caster by 25% Casts Consternation on caster 10% chance to interrupt Target Elise's Ditty (Master 1) Increase AGI of Caster by 29 Casts Consternation on caster 10% chance to interupt Target Increases Magic Mitigation by 218 Performers Talent (Apprentice 3) Increase AGI of Caster by 13 Increase Magic Mitigation by 74 Group Buffs (Saved the best for last): ================================================== ==== Raxxyl's Vivacious Descant (Adept 3) Increase AGI, ATA, and STR of group by 46 Increase Parry of group by 4 1 Concentration Niv's Song of Harmony (Class Choice) Increase AGI, ATA, and STR of group by 38 Increase DPS of group by 3% 1 Concentration Raxxyl's Energizing Harmony (Adept 3) Increase AGI, ATA, and STR of group by 34 1 Concentration Vhaelen's Stirring Tune (Class Choice) Increase AGI, ATA, and STR of group by 29 Increase Max Power of group by 30 1 Concentration Elemental Chorus (Master 1) Increases Heat and Cold Mitigation by 715 1 Concentration Arcane Concerto (Adept 1) Increases Magic, Divine, and Mental Mitigation by 644 1 Concentration Aria of Exaltation (Apprentice 1) Cast Dissonant Not on group members 5% chance to inflict 137-168 dmg 1 Concentration Swan Song (Adept 3) Increases AGI and WIS of group by 23 Increases Crushing, Slashing, Piercing, Ranged, Defence, Spell Avoidence, Disruption, Ordination, and Subjiurgation of the group by 9 2 Concentration Invigorating Opus (Master 1) Increases AGI of group by 9 Increases Defence of group by 4 Increases Attack Speed of group by 31% 2 Concentration Bria's Exalting Ballad (Adept 3) Increases pwoer of group by 17 Increase power of group by 13 every 6 seconds 1 Concentration Cassindra's Psalm of Replenishment (Class Choice) Heal group members for 38 Increase max heath of group by 90 Increase heath of group by 31 every 6 seconds 2 Concentration So there you have it that's what a fairly decked out troubador can do in a raid situation. we buff AGI STA and STR we can speed [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] up and we power drain and hit for mental dammage In a raid situation I am there to buff stats and do mana drain. I concentrait on mana drain and keeping my no concentraition debuffs down whenever I can also if you use Lore's Magniloquent Roust in conjunction with your HO starter you can throw quick single use HO's out there. As for buffs Find out what resists are needed if you need Heat and Cold save 1 concentraition for Elemental Chorus If you need Mental Divine or Magic save 1 concentration for Arcane Concerto. My most common buff loadout has to be: Raxxyl's Vivacious Descant, Niv's Song of Harmony, Raxxyl's Energizing Harmony, and Swan Song. Although depending on the group I will take out Niv's Song of Harmony, and Raxxyl's Energizing Harmony and replace those two with Invigorating Opus. It's actually quite difficult and depending on the fight I might go through 4 or five buff layouts depending on how we are doing I have had to cancel Invigorating Opus on many occasions for Cassindra's Psalm of Replenishment just cause we were hurting for some HP and this helps the healers a bit. What do you guys think? any info on the troubs job during raiding would be good. Plus as you can see I have several Master 1's and Adept 3's so you guys that have the app1's can see that it will not be a good upgrade to get most anything upgraded Message Edited by Shadoerider on 05-12-2005 12:16 PM

Frogsley

05-12-2005, 05:14 AM

<blockquote></blockquote>Not a bad summary, and good for those coming up to 40/50 to look at what they have to come. One thing though:<blockquote><hr>Shadoerider wrote:Sandra's Befuddling Incursion (Adept 1)170-284 dmh on targetDecrease power of target by 55 Decrease power of target by 14 every 2 seconds (this doesn't stick EVER)Inflict 29 dmg on targetDecrease health of target by 31 every 2 seconds (this doesn't stick EVER)</blockquote>Are you sure it doesn't stick? I have never had it not stick, to my knowledge, on my dps parses Sandra's is usually the highest total damage dealer after raw pierce / slash damage. As to my role in raids. HP/Stat buffs on the main tank is always welcomed, and don't forget the defence/avoidance/+wis goodness of swansong, it may be 2 concentration points but it's the only song we have I actually AGREE should cost 2 concentration points, it's that good. My 'normal' (if you like) buff layout tends to be swansong(2) Opus(2) and bria's(1), which provides the best defence in a general encounter. If the mob is aeing, then opus bites the dust, to be replaced by a resist song, and one other - usually the highest raxxyl's. Draining power is the first thing I'm expected to do in raids, and depending on the mob is usually quite achieveable. Add a friendly inquisitor with their power drain, another troub if you're lucky and a guardian with their drain taunts, and you're laughing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> After that, remember you can be dps! I know we are always very down on the combat arts that we get, and lets be honest they're not much to write home about, but with the right amount of power regeneration (from spells and items) and the right type of weapons for the encounter AND choosing the right arts to use (ie don't hammer them all, pick the best ones, just use those, think about recast timers) we can put out a respectable amount of damage, if not necessarily equal to the warlocks and the assiasins and the swashies :p You're so so right about upgrades though, and this isn't something exclusive to troubadors - although something that hits us hard. It really isn't worth upgrading anything much to Adept 3 or above. Hell some songs have no real reason to be upgraded from app 1, they don't change a bean. This really really really needs to be fixed, but I have a feeling we'll be waiting until the dreaded combat rebalancing (which could well be after LU10) before we see a change. Fingers crossed <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

Rultrov

05-12-2005, 02:19 PM

forgot purloin essence <div></div>

Sanju

05-12-2005, 05:18 PM

<DIV>Guviena's Osmotic Ovation (ranged attack, with a chance to stifle, and return power to you) -- granted, it doesn't get used too much, but I usually cast it while the tank is pulling on the off chance that the stifle doesn't get resisted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also use Startling Shriek from time to time (drop auto-attack, use lowbie sneak, cast Startling Shriek)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, don't forget your self-buffs (Daeli's Dance of Blades and I still use Elise's Ditty (15 minute timer))</DIV>

Claritin

05-12-2005, 08:50 PM

Yeah Purloin Essense is my biggest raid spell... it should be added to your list. Guivena's is great for ranged encounters... I don't use it much any other time because I hate moving around more than I have to during a raid and I have enough attacks to spam that I really don't need it unless I am low on power... However the fact that it IS RANGED is a big deal. Startling Shriek - Although the DPS from this isn't very high for the aount of time to sneak and use it... it has a DPS boost that lasts after completion. I will sometimes use this if my buff load-up doesn't include Bria's (which seems to break sneak far too often) It's a quick 400-600 Dmg usually but the DPS boost helps on the next few attacks. As a matter of fact if I am low on power I stick to maintaining Lore's Roust... and doing this attack as often as possible because of the DPS boost. Daeli's Dance of blades should be up all the time.... however it is not worth upgrading... I know... I have Adept III... I got like 2 AGI and 0% DPS increase... what a waste. <sigh> <a href="http://www.thedauntless.org/Troubadour" target="_blank">http://www.thedauntless.org/Troubadour</a> That is a web page I set up to consult which skills are worth upgrading... As a general rule for Troubs I think anything that does power pool damage si something you should be interested in... you are one of the very few classes that can do it... Purloin Essence should be your first Adept III IMHO. <div></div>

Shadoerider

05-12-2005, 11:37 PM

<DIV>Updated my post with Self buffs and Purloin Essence I am not sure why I forgot the mana drain that is my main attack during raids till the mana is gone anyhow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

05-13-2005, 03:30 AM

I have tested this myself but feel free to confirm- Elises ditty does not stack with Daelis Dance of Blades I have Adept 1s of both, and M1 perf talent, and daelis doesnt stack with elises for me... (unless it was perf - but i dont think so) so the only +'s of stacking elises is the 180 odd mental resist <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

VericSauvari

05-13-2005, 04:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bieb wrote: I have tested this myself but feel free to confirm- Elises ditty does not stack with Daelis Dance of Blades I have Adept 1s of both, and M1 perf talent, and daelis doesnt stack with elises for me... (unless it was perf - but i dont think so) so the only +'s of stacking elises is the 180 odd mental resist <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> ive had all 3 self buffs stack...also stacked "20%" chance of interrupt is pretty nice

Shadoerider

05-13-2005, 06:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Frogsley wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>Not a bad summary, and good for those coming up to 40/50 to look at what they have to come. One thing though: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shadoerider wrote: Sandra's Befuddling Incursion (Adept 1) 170-284 dmh on target Decrease power of target by 55 Decrease power of target by 14 every 2 seconds (this doesn't stick EVER) Inflict 29 dmg on target Decrease health of target by 31 every 2 seconds (this doesn't stick EVER) </BLOCKQUOTE>Are you sure it doesn't stick? I have never had it not stick, to my knowledge, on my dps parses Sandra's is usually the highest total damage dealer after raw pierce / slash damage. As to my role in raids. HP/Stat buffs on the main tank is always welcomed, and don't forget the defence/avoidance/+wis goodness of swansong, it may be 2 concentration points but it's the only song we have I actually AGREE should cost 2 concentration points, it's that good. My 'normal' (if you like) buff layout tends to be swansong(2) Opus(2) and bria's(1), which provides the best defence in a general encounter. If the mob is aeing, then opus bites the dust, to be replaced by a resist song, and one other - usually the highest raxxyl's. Draining power is the first thing I'm expected to do in raids, and depending on the mob is usually quite achieveable. Add a friendly inquisitor with their power drain, another troub if you're lucky and a guardian with their drain taunts, and you're laughing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> After that, remember you can be dps! I know we are always very down on the combat arts that we get, and lets be honest they're not much to write home about, but with the right amount of power regeneration (from spells and items) and the right type of weapons for the encounter AND choosing the right arts to use (ie don't hammer them all, pick the best ones, just use those, think about recast timers) we can put out a respectable amount of damage, if not necessarily equal to the warlocks and the assiasins and the swashies :p You're so so right about upgrades though, and this isn't something exclusive to troubadors - although something that hits us hard. It really isn't worth upgrading anything much to Adept 3 or above. Hell some songs have no real reason to be upgraded from app 1, they don't change a bean. This really really really needs to be fixed, but I have a feeling we'll be waiting until the dreaded combat rebalancing (which could well be after LU10) before we see a change. Fingers crossed <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> If Sandra's does work there is no icon for it I am raiding right now and have casted it several times and checked and there is no icon for the drains which there should be.

Frogsley

05-13-2005, 02:44 PM

turn on your battle spam (I have mine whizzing past in a seperate window). There's no icon for it, but you'll always get the 2 ticks of damage and 2 ticks of drain off it (assuming it hits in the first place :smileyvery-happy:) <div></div>