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[Jangofett2869]

<DIV>ok Your a 100% right on all the issues. Bars or troubadors are supposed to be support for everyone, or a really good solo choice. My issues are as follows. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mana/ Power song : it is absolutely useless. It should be right under breeze or something close. it could get better as the spell u get gets higher. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Health song is pretty silly when i havent been hit for less the 200 at most times. and it gives 26 a tick. It should be drasticly increased to about a 100 a tick. After all it is a lvl 30 spell to begin with. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bards should also have a few more fun spells. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bards do not get any great spells from like 33 up past 40 in some cases. No pets. no real hard hittin offense just more and more buffs and debuffs. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Concentration slots. all classes should get more slots as they lvl. You start out at 5 and get another every 5 lvls or so. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love playing the bard but their is so much wrong with it makes me wonder if they will fix it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PLEASE take these into consideration. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Craven 38 troubador </DIV> <DIV>Wretched Minds </DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV>

[WooTast]

<blockquote><hr>Jangofett2869 wrote:<DIV>ok Your a 100% right on all the issues. Bars or troubadors are supposed to be support for everyone, or a really good solo choice. My issues are as follows. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Mana/ Power song : it is absolutely useless. It should be right under breeze or something close. it could get better as the spell u get gets higher. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Health song is pretty silly when i havent been hit for less the 200 at most times. and it gives 26 a tick. It should be drasticly increased to about a 100 a tick. After all it is a lvl 30 spell to begin with. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Bards should also have a few more fun spells. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Bards do not get any great spells from like 33 up past 40 in some cases. No pets. no real hard hittin offense just more and more buffs and debuffs. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Concentration slots. all classes should get more slots as they lvl. You start out at 5 and get another every 5 lvls or so. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I love playing the bard but their is so much wrong with it makes me wonder if they will fix it. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>PLEASE take these into consideration. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Craven 38 troubador </DIV><DIV>Wretched Minds </DIV><DIV>Neriak</DIV><hr></blockquote>You are playing the wrong class if you want a pet spell. You are playing the wrong class if you don't like the fact that bards get better debuffs and buffs as they progress.Soprenah42 TroubadorNeriak Server

[duc7]

<DIV>Hehe, not to mention what your asking that the Mana/HP songs should do would clearly make us a little overpowered. Also the hate we would get if/when the whole group is hit with an AoE and our song is healing everyone for 100pts a tick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We're a "Jack of all Trades"  Master of none</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>not</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> "Jack of all Trades" Just as good as >insert caster & healer here<</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing we should excel at is Buffs/Debuffs</DIV>

[RobertQuicksilv]

The more I play a troubador the more I like the class as I work out different combos of attack and which are most effective whether solo or in a group.Swindle Essence at lvl 28 (current level) is fantastic! Picked up an Adept I on broker for about 1 gold <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />My tactic 1v1 at the moment is use SE first, then cheap shot, cancel attack, Taffos Blade, then lucky break, lores snapping sonnet, dazzling blade (HO). Then SE again, at this point mob is usually at 50% or less power. Roll off another HO maybe walts singing blade depends on power , cheap shot again Taffos blade, then SE (by this point mob usually has next to no power). Since mob has little power now they can't counterattack (especially if they can heal or use magic! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) so you just pile in the damage.I really like playing troubador at the moment <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Claritin]

<blockquote><hr>Jangofett2869 wrote:<DIV>ok Your a 100% right on all the issues. Bars or troubadors are supposed to be support for everyone, or a really good solo choice. My issues are as follows. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Mana/ Power song : it is absolutely useless. It should be right under breeze or something close. it could get better as the spell u get gets higher. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Health song is pretty silly when i havent been hit for less the 200 at most times. and it gives 26 a tick. It should be drasticly increased to about a 100 a tick. After all it is a lvl 30 spell to begin with. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Bards should also have a few more fun spells. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Bards do not get any great spells from like 33 up past 40 in some cases. No pets. no real hard hittin offense just more and more buffs and debuffs. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Concentration slots. all classes should get more slots as they lvl. You start out at 5 and get another every 5 lvls or so. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I love playing the bard but their is so much wrong with it makes me wonder if they will fix it. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>PLEASE take these into consideration. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Craven 38 troubador </DIV><DIV>Wretched Minds </DIV><DIV>Neriak</DIV><hr></blockquote>Power song is a little weak.. we all agree on that.HP song is a waste... no self respecting bard uses it... 2 CP is way too much.. 1 CP is too much... it's worthless.... we all agree on that.We didn't get a lvl 30 fluff spell... we could use one. lvl 20 fluff spell was just an emote... lvl 40 fluff spell changed me from wood elf to high elf... basically I grew a half inch, lost my tan, and styled my hair... most people don't even notice I shape shifted.... it's an ability you can get via a petrified eye. lvl 50 fluff isn't fantastic... but it's unique so no complaints. BTW to the person who said bards should not get pets... tell that to hmm... is it druids, rangers, templars, paladins, SK, etc... he never said pets with damage... he said "fun spells" AKA fluff... lots of fluff spells are pets. No one that has understood you can really complain with our lvl 20 and 40 fluffs or the lack of a lvl 30.5 CP slots is just fine I have to disagree with you that we need more CP slots as we level... however our CP costs have to be looked at... we have too many 2 CP songs... that's our main problem. If Haste or Songsters lines were reduced to 1 CP cost every troub would automaticaly gain 1 slot almost regardless of what type of encounter they are facing... the only time our slots would be inadequete to maintain balance at that point in time would be when we are assigned crowd control... mez takes 1 CP per target... many encounters are 3 mobs... I can't spare 2 CP for a standard encounter... I have no suggestions on how to fix mez CP use... I'm at a loss.

[Jehannum]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Claritin wrote:<BR><BR>Power song is a little weak.. we all agree on that.<BR><BR>HP song is a waste... no self respecting bard uses it... 2 CP is way too much.. 1 CP is too much... it's worthless.... we all agree on that.<BR><BR>We didn't get a lvl 30 fluff spell... we could use one. lvl 20 fluff spell was just an emote... lvl 40 fluff spell changed me from wood elf to high elf... basically I grew a half inch, lost my tan, and styled my hair... most people don't even notice I shape shifted.... it's an ability you can get via a petrified eye. lvl 50 fluff isn't fantastic... but it's unique so no complaints. BTW to the person who said bards should not get pets... tell that to hmm... is it druids, rangers, templars, paladins, SK, etc... he never said pets with damage... he said "fun spells" AKA fluff... lots of fluff spells are pets. No one that has understood you can really complain with our lvl 20 and 40 fluffs or the lack of a lvl 30.<BR><BR>5 CP slots is just fine I have to disagree with you that we need more CP slots as we level... however our CP costs have to be looked at... we have too many 2 CP songs... that's our main problem. If Haste or Songsters lines were reduced to 1 CP cost every troub would automaticaly gain 1 slot almost regardless of what type of encounter they are facing... the only time our slots would be inadequete to maintain balance at that point in time would be when we are assigned crowd control... mez takes 1 CP per target... many encounters are 3 mobs... I can't spare 2 CP for a standard encounter... I have no suggestions on how to fix mez CP use... I'm at a loss.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Power song, agreed.  HP song, most definitely not agreed.  Group with a few warlocks or wizards and it's much more substantial extra power to feed them health and let them convert.  Granted, it's very situational, but the HP song, while it could stand to be improved, isn't completely worthless.  Just close.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also agree on concentration; 5 is plenty, but it'd definitely be nice if some (like Bria's) were taken off concentration entirely, and others reduced.  Minstrel's and Songsters should remain two slots, but our hastes at least are marginal at best and could be reduced to 1.  As to the mez, I don't have it yet but if it takes that much concentration that's just nuts.  I'd say limit it to 2 affected mobs and one CP but that's knee-jerk, not based on what might actually be balanced <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  After all, like in EQ1 I'm not looking to steal enchanters' lunch - just sample a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit - I'd also like to see Quiron's reduced to 1 conc slot to make it more appealing outside its current almost-never utility.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Jehannum on <span class=date_text>03-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:54 AM</span>