Brigand v.s. assassin

[Dorchadas]

<DIV>I need some help here I love my assassin but who does more melee dps? I know assassin's get some ranged dps but if you disregaurd that 20's and 30's who out dps's who melee wise?</DIV>

[Goonch]

Assassin.  Especially Erudite ones.

[Kinza]

<DIV>It all boils down to player skill and group make up.  All the T1 and T2 scout are good, just stick with what you like.</DIV>

[Nitanyspirit]

I stab good.

[Zagats]

<DIV>It's like comparing apples to oranges.</DIV> <DIV>Predators to Rogues.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They're different classes for a reason.  Comparing brigand to swashy, or assassin to ranger, ok, cause theyre in the same class.</DIV> <DIV>Simply put, brigands have a different job than assassins do on a raid.  We debuff and do good damage.  Assassins are for doing huge damage only.</DIV>

[coffee2025]

<P>The difference is very simple:</P> <P>Assassins deal damage</P> <P>Brigands they bring sheer pain and misery that turns any mob into butter. Brigands will inflict a world of pain on their foes. Brigands can solo great and take down dragons with their bare hands. Brigands are the gods of EQ2.</P>

[Crimson Dragon]

<div></div>assassins achieve a higher melee dps.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Crimson Dragon on <span class=date_text>02-05-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:02 PM</span>

[Turb]

It depends if you want to top the dps chart, or boost everyone's dps.A brig on a raid can easily add 15-20% to the raid dps, so you're doing the equivalent of at least 2 people's dps on top of your own.But the parser doesn't show that.I suspect melee dps is similar when you factor in debuffs, but an assassin has bigger CAs to lift their dps higher (particularly if you debuff for them!)

[Nitanyspirit]

<P>I was parsing in between 1400-1900 yesterday in Halls of Seeing.  The two assassins there were parsing 1200-1400 and 1700-2300.</P> <P> </P> <P>You decide.</P> <P> </P> <P>And yes, I'm also increasing the raid DPS by 15-20% because I'm the only Brigand.</P><p>Message Edited by Nitanyspirit on <span class=date_text>02-06-2007</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 AM</span>

[Sin]

Assassin by far, if they arent - they are slacking.

[Rousso]

<p>As a 70 assassin who routinely raids with another assassin and one or two brigands - who has better DPS comes down to player skill, skill upgrades and weapons/ gear. Right now one of our brigs is on top (he is all fabled out, fully mastered and a really [Removed for Content] fine player) - but I am slowly catching him as I get myself into fabled gear. With the other assassin in the guild we seem to alternate as to who is highest on any given encounter, but the brig has a slight edge. Where as I seem to average around 1600 dps our brig averages around 1700. We can both get into the big numbers over 2k. The other brigand that raids with us almost never makes the parser.</p><p>Player skill, skill upgrades and gear. Pick the one with the playstyle that you can really dig and learn it better than anyone else. Brig or assassin you will top the parser. Brigands surely rock but I love my assassin.</p>

[Goonch]

<cite>Rousso wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As a 70 assassin who routinely raids with another assassin and one or two brigands - who has better DPS comes down to player skill, skill upgrades and weapons/ gear. Right now one of our brigs is on top (he is all fabled out, fully mastered and a really [I cannot control my vocabulary] fine player) - but I am slowly catching him as I get myself into fabled gear. With the other assassin in the guild we seem to alternate as to who is highest on any given encounter, but the brig has a slight edge. Where as I seem to average around 1600 dps our brig averages around 1700. We can both get into the big numbers over 2k. The other brigand that raids with us almost never makes the parser.</p><p>Player skill, skill upgrades and gear. Pick the one with the playstyle that you can really dig and learn it better than anyone else. Brig or assassin you will top the parser. Brigands surely rock but I love my assassin.</p></blockquote>Don't listen to this liar.  Brigands are a horrible class, you are so better off rolling an assassin, they are ELITE! 

[Siclone]

<p>Brigand are better solorers</p><p>Brigands have much more utility</p><p>Assassin has a slight edge on a raid for DPS but a great Brigand can out DPS a good Assassin</p><p>Brigands make everyone do more damage</p><p>Assassins dont.  </p><p>Brigands own assassins in PvP</p><p>devs think Assassins are in "excellent shape" no boost of any kind coming</p><p>so you decide</p>

[Kegofbud]

Equally buffed in the melee DPS group, I zone wide in the 1900s in Halls of Seeing/Lyceum. Our predators are over 2.1k...some of our mages, on the other hand, are slackers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm sure depending on setups for everyone it varies, but equally buffed a <u>well played</u> predator class will beat us cleanly.

[Siclone]

Choadley@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>Equally buffed in the melee DPS group, I zone wide in the 1900s in Halls of Seeing/Lyceum. Our predators are over 2.1k...some of our mages, on the other hand, are slackers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm sure depending on setups for everyone it varies, but equally buffed a <u>well played</u> predator class will beat us cleanly. </blockquote><p>thats just not true, there are tons of people in high raiding guilds that say so.  Just look up a few spots on this thead you have a brigand saying how close he is to the top assassin and how he beats the other assassin.</p><p>Of course it depends on gear and group set up and player ability but as I said a good assassin can be beaten by a great Brigand </p><p>Now if you counted the parse numbers that everyone gains in the raid from the extra damage of the debuffs, Assassins would not even be on the parse </p>

[Goonch]

<cite>Siclone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Choadley@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>Equally buffed in the melee DPS group, I zone wide in the 1900s in Halls of Seeing/Lyceum. Our predators are over 2.1k...some of our mages, on the other hand, are slackers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm sure depending on setups for everyone it varies, but equally buffed a <u>well played</u> predator class will beat us cleanly. </blockquote><p>thats just not true, there are tons of people in high raiding guilds that say so.  Just look up a few spots on this thead you have a brigand saying how close he is to the top assassin and how he beats the other assassin.</p><p>Of course it depends on gear and group set up and player ability but as I said a good assassin can be beaten by a great Brigand </p><p>Now if you counted the parse numbers that everyone gains in the raid from the extra damage of the debuffs, Assassins would not even be on the parse </p></blockquote><p> it boils down to how well someone knows or plays their class.  theres no way an equally skilled/grouped/geared/spelled brigands zw will be higher than a predator.  swashies on the other hand.... can burn in hell.  people slack people dont take as much pride in their dps and just get by.  its all about the person.  </p><p>theres no reason our zw should be higher than a predator or that pred is a slacker.</p>

[Crimson Dragon]

brigands suck, roll an assassin.

[Beldin_]

Vallix@Befallen wrote: <blockquote>brigands suck, roll an assassin. </blockquote> Yeah .. when i told Chuck Norris that i rolled a Brigand he gave me a roundhouse kick <img src="/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Aral]

<p>I started an assassin alt this past year (Afya on unrest) and got her to 70.  My main is my brig, so I don't expect my 6 months of assassin experience to compare to my release - day brigand experience.  Assassin is at 96 AA, brigand 100.  Str/wis brig, Str/Int assassin.  Given that, here's what I notice:</p><p>1. My brigand damage and control within fights is far more consistent, but over time lower zone wide.  Part of this is due to the flakiness of stealth-required combat arts. You wouldn't believe how many idiotic events break stealth, right when you are firing off your AE or perfectly timed chain of arts.  In short, I feel much less "in control " of my assassin's dps than my brig's... too many outside forces can ruin the stealth arts.  When things go well, she flies, and I lead the pack.  When things go badly, I'm sitting there using a long - recast sneak to get my stealth arts off, and cursing my timing.  HOWEVER, given all that - I still parse higher zone wide with my assassin, given similar buffing groups.  This is partly due to the much higher AE-fight damage the assassin can do, and the much higher aggro threshhold of assassin vs. brig.  Both characters are near 100% master, exceptions being cloaked assault for assassin, and entangle for brig. </p><p>2. I can tank pretty much any heroic zone with my brig, even with str/wis line and in offensive stance (most of the time).  The assassin hate genis much more dependent upon stealth as well as position, and without stuns to get the positionals in, [Removed for Content]-tanking with an assassin just doesn't work well.  Also, the defensive stance of assassin is pathetic, for when things go bad.  Ruffian can really help, during the occasional spike damage where I switch out of offensive.  </p><p>3. In pickup groups, it's very difficult to use my brigand to even 75% effectiveness without making the pickup tank upset.  Aggro generation is just so much larger for a brig, the group with no de-aggro, amends, moderate buffs I have to hold way back to keep the peace.  My assassin on the other hand, can go all out in pickups - the 29% transfer is a serious benefit.    </p><p>4.  It is much easier to avoid getting aggro with an assassin  in raid. It is much easier to lose the aggro with my brigand, once I get it.  For this reason, I honestly prefer my brigand's aggro control to my assassin's lower hate gen.  I also like the ability to grab aggro when needed - and assassin can't reliably do that, unless a huge hit is up and you can stealth.  Double - up on stuns, ruse, appeal for mercy give me far more control rising and falling on the hate list.  </p><p> 5. Brigand soloing heroics vs assassin soloing heroics is like a 10 vs a 2.  No contest there, soloing as assassin sucks. </p>