str/sta vs duel weild

[heirro]

<DIV>Hey guys im curious</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im currently str/sta lined as i play often as a tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find the increase in health, defense, dps and taunts to be extreamly useful from the STA line</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Str line gives me a debuff skill good for casters, increased criticals and defense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think overall it gives me the extra health and defense with a decent amount of dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone give me the perks of duel weild as i personaly play in defensive mode at all times and never realy went to dps mode or duel weild</DIV>

[Myrcul]

<DIV>Tanking as a Brigand took a giant nosedive with the EoF patching/LU etc.  I haven't played in the last few days, do not know how the slight mitigation boost in the Test notes is going to affect this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tanking as a Brigand though will probably be less viable now because of designer 'vision'.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>M</DIV>

[heirro]

<DIV>not sure to be honest man ive not noticed much diffrence in what i can tank, just a few more hairy moments.</DIV>

[DaLurk]

Finaly got no very much trouble tanking before and after EoF.Of course I'm a crappy unfabled nonraiding old dirty Brigand but I had a try last night on OoB heroic instance and some epic x4 greenies in SC and was pretty fine ; even offtanking Goliathian guards (T6 not revamped after EoF btw, was tougher than before).<div></div>

[Wardyn]

<P>I did Str/Sta on another toon and all it seemed ideal for was soloing. A properly formatted Str/Sta tree may actually be the best soloing build. Particularly with the nicer shields available. That said, I was nothing more than a fill in tank. While it may seem cliche to say, if you want to tank, be a Guardian. If you want to be the best Brigand soloer, try Str/Sta. That said, The Str/Agi - Str/Wis - Wis/Agi options are nearly as good, and will get you a ton more respect in group/raids.</P> <P>Then again, it's nice to be different on occasion. Of course, if you are already Str/Sta I think you're stuck with it. </P> <P>Did they change how resetting points worked. A friend wanted to change from Str/Agi, but said the NPC wouldn't let him. Odd.</P>

[Macross_JR]

I'm sorry, but if you are a tanking brig and not spec'd:agi 4/8sta 5/8/8/8/1you are wasting your aa's.  Sure str is nice, but if you really want to be a tanking brigand you need walk the plank to get your back stabs in.  plus once you get them facing the other way you can stun them to get off all your back stabs.<div></div>

[heirro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Macross_JR wrote:<BR>I'm sorry, but if you are a tanking brig and not spec'd:<BR><BR>agi 4/8<BR>sta 5/8/8/8/1<BR><BR>you are wasting your aa's.  Sure str is nice, but if you really want to be a tanking brigand you need walk the plank to get your back stabs in.  plus once you get them facing the other way you can stun them to get off all your back stabs.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ive tried that and found str line to offer more forward attacks and defense than agility

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<P>My guild's dirge can still tank heroic stuff after the nerf, with our defensive stance and mit buffs I don't see how our tanking would be effected any more. If I was a non raiding Brigand i'd be in stamina line personally, you do just as much damage as DW and you can tank as well as a brawler, the auto attack damage loss is hardly noticable because things die so fast in a group that autoattack averages to be about 10-15% of my DPS opposed to 30-40% of my raid DPS.</P> <P>Oh, and walk the plank is worthless by the way, there are too few decent 1h fabled rapiers to make it a reliable skill, between restrain, dirty blow, and cheapshot you should be able to get off most of your backstabs as they refresh (well other than sideswipe which is hardly better than shrouded blade anyways), and the crit chance boost helps with aggro more than being able to get sideswipe off more often.</P><p>Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on <span class=date_text>11-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:20 AM</span>

[DaLurk]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>My guild's dirge can still tank heroic stuff after the nerf, with our defensive stance and mit buffs I don't see how our tanking would be effected any more. <font color="#ff33cc"><b>If I was a non raiding Brigand</b></font> i'd be in stamina line personally, you do just as much damage as DW and you can tank as well as a brawler, the auto attack damage loss is hardly noticable because things die so fast in a group that autoattack averages to be about 10-15% of my DPS opposed to 30-40% of my raid DPS.</p> <p>Oh, and walk the plank is worthless by the way, <font color="#ff33cc"><b>there are too few decent 1h fabled rapiers</b></font> to make it a reliable skill, between restrain, dirty blow, and cheapshot you should be able to get off most of your backstabs as they refresh (well other than sideswipe which is hardly better than shrouded blade anyways), and the crit chance boost helps with aggro more than being able to get sideswipe off more often.</p><hr></blockquote>QFE <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by DaLurker on <span class=date_text>11-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:58 PM</span>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:<BR> <P>My guild's dirge can still tank heroic stuff after the nerf, with our defensive stance and mit buffs I don't see how our tanking would be effected any more. If I was a non raiding Brigand i'd be in stamina line personally, you do just as much damage as DW and you can tank as well as a brawler, the auto attack damage loss is hardly noticable because things die so fast in a group that autoattack averages to be about 10-15% of my DPS opposed to 30-40% of my raid DPS.</P> <P>Oh, and walk the plank is worthless by the way, there are too few decent 1h fabled rapiers to make it a reliable skill, between restrain, dirty blow, and cheapshot you should be able to get off most of your backstabs as they refresh (well other than sideswipe which is hardly better than shrouded blade anyways), and the crit chance boost helps with aggro more than being able to get sideswipe off more often.</P> <P>Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on <SPAN class=date_text>11-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:20 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Ancient Sarnak War Cutlass is a great 1H rapier.</P> <P> </P>

[Jeffmaster]

I used to be speced str/wis....I didn't like...seeing not a big difference in overall damage, so i went back with str/sta and unless you go 4/8 in agl, its not really worth it, better off putting all your points in str/sta

[heirro]

<P>i was tempted to go down sta 4  4  4  4 1 and str 4 4 4 8 and one point left maybe in max health or defense, as personaly id rather up my crits than bother with the last skill.</P> <P>Hoping then ive got enough defense and dps to deal a decent amount of damage, with a cloak crit 2% and aa crits should have a decent chance to land some improved dps.</P>

[Shidonya]

I differ in oppinion some here, yes I did the Sta/Str thing but I did put 1 point in WtP I've found that mobs immune to stun will still turn around plus it's less chance of pulling a wondering mob. Though not critical to have even at 1 point that is like a 1.8 second stun basically in which I then root face the mob away for 6 more seconds. Mobs are usually dead before they turn back around and if it works on a stun immune mob I can get at least a dispatch or rake off for my warlock/nec/coercer friends. Of course if you aren't MT then obviously WtP is worthless as you'll be behind anyway.