Brig or Swashie?

[Mooncr]

Post this in the swashie forum wanted to see your take on it:I am relatively new to EQ2 and played a bard in EQ1 for a long time.  So I went to a DPS class to start with this time around, but the warlock is severly lacking in utilty for me.  Hence the question of a Brig or Swashie for my next class.  Any feed back here?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Mooncrow on <span class="date_text">03-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:01 AM</span></p>

[ag]

Swashbuckler.

[Mooncr]

ok why?  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Xebars]

erm if you're looking for utility...besides group invis and evac, neither Brig or Swash have any utility at all.  We have zero group buffs other than Pathfinding.I suppose an arguement could be made that our debuffs help the group as a whole but...usually when people talk "utility", they want group buffs.You can still do decent DPS as a dirge or troubador, and your group buffs are some of the best in the game.  If you want utility, you'd be best off with one of them.IMO the general debuff breakdown is this...Brigand debuffs help the group DO MORE dmg.Swashie debuffs help the group TAKE LESS dmg.Now both classes have crossovers into each other's realm of expertise...but that's a good general split.SariesRobber (robble?) King of Halcyon Affinity<div></div>

[DaLurk]

Go Swashbuckler.Why ?Because if you choose Brigand you will come back here and ask :- what the best race- what stat you should choose to pump- should you go chain or leather- is dual wield better than 1handed- where to find a guide or a faq about brigand class- what are our fluff spell and where to buy it- where to find an up-to-date skill list- what AA skill would be the bestyada yada yada.So yes. Go Swashbuckler.Definitely.

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>DaLurker wrote:Go Swashbuckler.Why ?Because if you choose Brigand you will come back here and ask :- what the best race- what stat you should choose to pump- should you go chain or leather- is dual wield better than 1handed- where to find a guide or a faq about brigand class- what are our fluff spell and where to buy it- where to find an up-to-date skill list- what AA skill would be the bestyada yada yada.So yes. Go Swashbuckler.Definitely.<hr></blockquote><p>ROFL !!! yea we are infinatly more friendly aswell lol</p><p> </p>

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div>and helpfull :smileyvery-happy:

[DaLurk]

There are several thread for each topic in this list.I'm ok to be helpfull and to share knowledge, but I'm not ok to do some babysitting on brainless and/or lazy guys that don't want to make the slightest effort to dig a data that is already in this forum.Oh, I may be a kill-joy, of course I only speak for me.I guess every other brigand in this community will be really happy to answer every day/week : what are the best attributes to choose for a brig, if we are better than swashy, if our heals are ubber etc. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Twist_nd]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>DarkMirrax wrote:<div></div>and helpfull :smileyvery-happy:<hr></blockquote>Who said a Brigand had to be helpful or friendly?  The only thing we are supposed to be helpful with is removing your of all your coin and maybe a good dagger in the back.

[pillb]

Swash because Dev's keep [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing nurfing Brigands<div></div>

[Lyasa]

didn't roll a brig to play the nice guy....<div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pillbub wrote:Swash because Dev's keep [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing nurfing Brigands<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Where ? lol</p><p> </p><p>I got both swashie at 50 and a newbie brigand at 37 love both for sure</p>

[RyfeEnd]

<div></div><p>As annoying as the question posed is, i'll give it some time.</p><p> </p><p>If you are joining a pvp server you need to pick a Faction, then a class, not the other way around.  Why would you want to play on the good side, its friggen Disney land over there.  Freeport is good, its slummy, has Ratonga's, Freeport is good.  Don't as which class is better, I've killed Swashies, does that make Brigands the uber? no, it means I beat the other guy sitting at his computer attempting to kill me.  No classes have a gigantic advantage over each other. </p><p>But if you are joining a Pve server, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pick a froglok coercer :p</p>

[kyth]

   Brigand is the best class in the game...period.  If you want to know why then just roll one, lvl to 70 and raid for 6months.  After that you will come here and post how you agree with me.<div></div>

[Kegofbud]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:   Brigand is the best class in the game...period.  If you want to know why then just roll one, lvl to 70 and raid for 6months.  After that you will come here and post how you agree with me.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Short, simple, true...

[Shidonya]

<div></div>Brigand for teh win!!! Why cause I have more masters than anyone I know when they drop in guild guess what I'm only Brigand and if not in guild they are really cheap on market cause there are only 10 or so of us able to use them and I imagine most of them are just like me with only one or two in a guild.

[ibeo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kegofbud wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:   Brigand is the best class in the game...period.  If you want to know why then just roll one, lvl to 70 and raid for 6months.  After that you will come here and post how you agree with me.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Short, simple, true...<hr></blockquote><p><img src="http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ART/ART411/AA039975.jpg"></p><p> </p><p>whatwhatwhat no! brigs are bad......try a pred or a swash.....or a dirge or a fury or <font size="1">or a paladin or a wizard or a.................(you guys be chill with the pro brigs chat)</font></p>

[Twist_nd]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Shidonya wrote:<div></div>Brigand for teh win!!! Why cause I have more masters than anyone I know when they drop in guild guess what I'm only Brigand and if not in guild they are really cheap on market cause there are only 10 or so of us able to use them and I imagine most of them are just like me with only one or two in a guild.<hr></blockquote>I wish that was the case.  My guild has 3 brigands that are almost 70 (had 4, but lost one).  We also have another one right at 60.  No more cheap easy masters for me. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Handleba]

Don't worry Twist, I buy most of mine off of other players, I have 8 T7 masters now, so it's only you and Shadin fighting for most of them. Unless a devitalize or malicious assault drops <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<div></div><div></div>Brigands suck as has been said, preds outdps us, bards and swashies out utility us, and our heals are broken. There's a reason we're the least played class in the game :smileymad:.<p>Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:22 AM</span></p>

[Rezikai]

<div></div><div></div><p>Swashies play chess.. hence their spell "Checkmate"</p><p>Brigands play cards/poker ... hence our spells "Double Up/Blackjack"</p><p> </p><p>We're blue collar..pirates</p><p>They're white collar.. buccaneers</p><p> </p><p>:smileyvery-happy:</p><p>Message Edited by Porkchop133 on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:53 PM</span></p>

[CarlsonTheFly]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Porkchop133 wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>They're white collar.. buccaneers</p><hr></blockquote>No, they are pink or peach silk shirts with big fluffy cuffs________________________Minimus Maximus66 Gnome BrigandAncient Vengeance guildNajena server</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by CarlsonTheFlyer on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:16 PM</span></p>

[Tokam]

<div></div><p>Ranger</p><p>To the OP - we need more threads about this mate</p>

[Lings]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:<BR> Brigands suck as has been said, preds outdps us, bards and swashies out utility us, and our heals are broken. There's a reason we're the least played class in the game :smileymad:. <P>Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on <SPAN class=date_text>04-05-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>08:22 AM</SPAN></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ummm...</P> <P>Popularity =/= quality in ANY way</P> <P>Let's use a teacher metaphor as an example</P> <P>students can pick whatever teacher they want</P> <P>Teacher A allows the students to do whatever they want, so long as they get some small amount of work done.</P> <P>Teacher B makes them work and teaches them stuff they need to know, but pushes them to do their best.</P> <P>Which teacher do you think (most) student's of our current generation would choose?</P> <P>Does that necessarily mean he's better?</P> <P>I love this class, always have, and always will.</P> <P>preds are the pure melee DPS class, and as far as I know, all bards have is utility (not literally, but you get the idea). I've NEVER been outdone by a swashie... Between amazing debuffs, and all our other skills, this is a pretty great class.</P> <P>P.S. Third time's a charm, I had to rewrite that three times, it kept deleting and say "Your post has been changed because invalid HTML was found in the message body. The invalid HTML has been removed. Please review the message and submit the message when you are satisfied."</P><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:01 PM</span>

[Riversideblues]

<div></div>i like swashies, they make the tank die less, and i make the mob die faster, sure we're even on the parse, and we have the same utility (whoever said we didn't is a <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] mother[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ering [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) so what do you like more gaoe's or outright solo target poonage and sexy classhats?<img src="http://images6.theimagehosting.com/kiwis.gif"><div></div><p>Message Edited by Riversideblues on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:30 AM</span>

[Tokam]

Your post got [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing haxx0red

[Mathe]

<P>All right, I actually play both Brigand and Swashbuckler, and hear is basically what it comes down to.</P> <P>Brigands are slightly better at soloing. One major damage ability revolves around being hit (Ruse line). A major Swashbuckler one involves not getting hit (Bravado). Brigands get a mitigation buff, which in general is harder to raise than stats, which is advantageous.</P> <P>In groups, personally, I think Brigands are slightly less useful for debuffs than Swashbuckler, but they do more damage, too.</P> <P>They both have pros and cons, neither is a bad class.</P>