Debilitate and murderous rake issues

[Eris]

<DIV>Ok couldnt find any references to this and since its started happening to me only 2 days ago i feel its a new bug that slipped by. I used to be able to fire debilitate and murd rake in group or raid settings every time timers refreshed. However last 2 days i got the message saying i couldnt use the arts as if some other art was blocking them. After some time, i can use them again. Hence, i think another art (a medium duration one would be my guess) is blocking them. In raids we are often 2 brigs and before it never was a problem to stack debuffs (well not stack per se but you got the point). As far as i can tell ive been in groups with all the class during raids so its a new thing. Anyone got the same?</DIV>

[kyth]

    ya i have had this issue for a while now.  I have been trying to figure out what it is but no such luck atm. <div></div>

[AratornCalahn]

Double up [Removed for Content]! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> When you use double up to put on a skill, it makes it block the real version. Notice that those 2 spells are like the only ones that can be still up when they refreseh <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<P>if you use double up after these 2, and have double up master, it fires stronger versions of these skills, and resets their duration,  giving you a stronger debuff but you cant overwrite it when the timer refreshes</P> <P>both skills have a 60 sec recast with 72 sec duration so if the double upped version is on, you will have to wait for it to expire (that should be 72 secs after using double up) before you can do the trick again</P>

[Eris]

Ah kk thanks a ton for input.

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Gyilok wrote:<div></div> <p>if you use double up after these 2, and have double up master, it fires stronger versions of these skills, and resets their duration,  giving you a stronger debuff but you cant overwrite it when the timer refreshes</p> <p>both skills have a 60 sec recast with 72 sec duration so if the double upped version is on, you will have to wait for it to expire (that should be 72 secs after using double up) before you can do the trick again</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>does this with adept3 double up also (have master now hough)</span><div></div>

[kyth]

    i know about the double up issue.  but i ahve had this happen with murd rake when i am the only brigand on the raid and i normally don't double up murd rake. <div></div>

[AratornCalahn]

<span><blockquote><hr>kythik wrote:    i know about the double up issue.  but i ahve had this happen with murd rake when i am the only brigand on the raid and i normally don't double up murd rake. <div></div><hr></blockquote>interesting never had that happen</span><div></div>

[Gyilok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kythik wrote:<BR>    i know about the double up issue.  but i ahve had this happen with murd rake when i am the only brigand on the raid and i normally don't double up murd rake.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i have had that with revoke, not double upped still it sometimes gets blocked

[kyth]

    ya i have had it happen with revoke also.  I think revoke can be blocked by the swash buckler skill maybe? <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<DIV>they also got a skill with similar parry debuff, but mine is m1 debuffing 82 parry, shwash has ad3 72 parry, and it has happened without the shwash being in raid also</DIV>