Moves you'd like to see from level 50 to 60?

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<DIV>Thought i'd start this because, well, i'm bored. Excuse me if i say a move that is already in, kinda new to the game:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Throw voice(for lack of a good name): throw your voice at target, saying curses and such to increase enemy hate on the target(only works for group members, may also have to add a consent for that or we'll get some greifers using it on preists then dumping group), would be good for helping tanks keep the hate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some sort of upgrade to ruse, i hear it's one of the brigands best attacks and i get it at 21, does not change other than scrolls to upgrade, ever (fricking nice though).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kick em while they're down(for lack of a better name again): you knock down the target and kick him in the gut a few times, good damage and maybe lower resist to pericing or somthing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Smash'n'grab (for lack of a better name again): you get your auto attack to do damage in coins, it will pop out copper at level 1-25, silver 25-50, gold 50-60 and on an EXTREMELY lucky hit on an elite or raid mob you might net a plat or two, needs a high timer(2.5 hours minimum, lets call this giving some time to let the guards give up the case or somthing) or will be exploited on greys with a macro probably.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pay off: reduces hate by giving the mob some coin, probably 10s or somthing, sounds like somthing a ruthless thug trying to get out of trouble would do.</DIV>

[some_perso]

<DIV>I'd definitly like to see some sort of pick pocket for us and swashys, it just doesn't feel like the rogue with out it.</DIV>

[Kirma]

<DIV>a flank attack that stealths you, like predators have. Im so jealous</DIV>

[Gyilok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kirmatt wrote:<BR> <DIV>a flank attack that stealths you, like predators have. Im so jealous</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>or a new 1sec (or instant hehe) cast combat stealth to make the stealth attack line useful

[M0rticia]

Pickpocket and disguises. We had these in EQOA and I LOVED them. I could disguise my delf rogue and go into ANY town I wanted to. I could pickpocket any mob but raid mobs and make quite a bit of cash. This cash was then split with the group (okay, I'm not that evil. I share!). It really helped the tank with the insane repair amounts for some items. <div></div>

[Goonch]

I agree with several of the posters here. 1.  Better stealth whether it be a quick cast/recast one, one that comes with attack, or a full movement speed self-stealth. 2.  Disguises that do something and aren't hindering.  I can disguise as a wood elf BUT I can NOT go into qeynos or ride a griffin?? Ridiculous. 3.  RUSE UPGRADE PLZ/THX! <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goonch wrote:<BR>I agree with several of the posters here.<BR><BR>1.  Better stealth whether it be a quick cast/recast one, one that comes with attack, or a full movement speed self-stealth.<BR>2.  Disguises that do something and aren't hindering.  I can disguise as a wood elf BUT I can NOT go into qeynos or ride a griffin?? Ridiculous.<BR>3.  RUSE UPGRADE PLZ/THX!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>aye, though it does not belong to the lvl 50-60 discussions, disguise working as a DISGUISE would make it worth buying, otherwise I want that 10gp that I payed for the ogre spell back

[Korelen]

<span>See Inline Comments: <blockquote><hr>The-Fourm-Pirate wrote:<div>Thought i'd start this because, well, i'm bored. Excuse me if i say a move that is already in, kinda new to the game:</div> <div> </div> <div>Throw voice(for lack of a good name): throw your voice at target, saying curses and such to increase enemy hate on the target(only works for group members, may also have to add a consent for that or we'll get some greifers using it on preists then dumping group), would be good for helping tanks keep the hate. <ul> <li>I do not want to see more taunts in the game for Brigands.  I hardly use them as it is, and when I really needed to use them, they did not work very well.  Leave taunting and hate generation to the tank classes.</li> </ul> </div> <div> </div> <div>Some sort of upgrade to ruse, i hear it's one of the brigands best attacks and i get it at 21, does not change other than scrolls to upgrade, ever (fricking nice though). <ul> <li>While it will be nice to have an upgrade to Ruse, but I doubt we will see it.  If Ruse was intended to be upgraded, it would have ages ago.  Even in it's current state, it is a CA that I use a lot. </li> </ul> </div> <div> </div> <div>Kick em while they're down(for lack of a better name again): you knock down the target and kick him in the gut a few times, good damage and maybe lower resist to pericing or somthing. <ul> <li>We already have CAs that knockdown your target as well as lowering resists.  I would rather have a CA that is an instant / one second in combat stealth, a ranged attack that does not increase hate, or a CA that truly stuns your target for X amount of seconds. </li> </ul> </div> <div> </div> <div>Smash'n'grab (for lack of a better name again): you get your auto attack to do damage in coins, it will pop out copper at level 1-25, silver 25-50, gold 50-60 and on an EXTREMELY lucky hit on an elite or raid mob you might net a plat or two, needs a high timer(2.5 hours minimum, lets call this giving some time to let the guards give up the case or somthing) or will be exploited on greys with a macro probably.</div> <div> </div> <div>Pay off: reduces hate by giving the mob some coin, probably 10s or somthing, sounds like somthing a ruthless thug trying to get out of trouble would do. <ul> <li>Will combine my comments for the last two.  I would never want a CA that uses coin.  There should never be a reason for a person to toss out perfectly good drinking money!  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </li> </ul> </div><hr></blockquote> While I do not agree with most of these, they are interesting nonetheless.  Keep up the good work.</span><div></div>

[TricksyRaton]

How about some group buffs asides pathfinding? Kinda goes along the line of utility. <div></div>

[Aral]

<P>group buffs?  You joking?!  There are already too many classes with group buffs as it is, I prefer our crippling/debuffing role, thanks.  Brigand =| support class. </P> <P>On that note, with the upcoming changes to WIS/INT, I'd like to see more than one attack line that debuffs WIS or better yet, Spell Avoidance.  Also need another strength debuff in there somewhere, aside from the run through line.  Since we all know agility does jack (hopefully that will change with the fixes), agi debuffs just don't do much, especially compared to the defense debuffs. </P> <P>However, I have this funny suspicion that when they make changes to reduce the effectiveness of defense skill, they won't think it through to changing the debuffs to compensate.  </P>

[Banef]

Here are some I would like to see, in the new T6 range: Level 51 - Forced Flinch Similer to Ruse, does not share timer. 2 Minute recast, 300 power. 1,200 App1, 1,400 App2, 1600 App3 1800 App4 2,200 Adept 1, 2,600 Adept 3, 3500 Master 1 Level 53 - Dissappear Insant Sneak, Zero cast, 30 second recast, zero cost, level 63 sneak at adept 3 level. ( Unique Timer - unshared ) Level 55 <b>All Rogue</b> - Theivery Takes copper/silver from a mob, based on level and skill. 2 Second cast, Instant recast, 50 power, must be sneaked. 10 Copper App1, 25 Copper App 4 50 Copper Adept 1, 1 Silver Adept 3. ( Base skill-level at 55, mastery at 65, +50% copper per level over 55 ) ie: At level 60 with an adept 3, 1.5S per use. Level 56 - Leg Rip New WIS/AGI Debuff Level 57 - 1,000 Points of Pain Pierce/Slash DoT 30 second recast, 210 power. Deals 350 Damage upfront, and ticks 6 times for: 200 App1, 220 App2, 250 App3 270 App4 300 Adept 1, 375 Adept 3, 400 Master 1 Finishes with a stun. Level 60 - Leg Rip Another Large Mit. Debuff Level 60 - Forced Walk Mob removal from battle. Not usable on epics, but anything else. Fighting a group of 4? Removes one from the fight. ( Not kills, removes, it's gone away, scared. ) 5 minute recast. <div></div>

[VettsVey]

<P>An upgrade to Ruse without a doubt.</P> <P>Functioning Fluff spell like Illusion Rock/Shrub  ( works simular to stealth, but you are stunned and cannot move and you look like a [Removed for Content] rock or a shrub with no name above it )</P>

[kyth]

<div></div>This is what i would like to see in the expansion for our skills... 1) Attack skills:     a) Backstab make it the highest Initial + Dot dmg attack on a 10sec timer     b) Flanking DOT attack.  low initial dmg with high dot dmg     c) High dmg Flank attack.  mostlikely have it close to the new back stab's initial dmg     d) AE Encounter attack. or maybe not.  we have one now but it isnt anything impressive.  I would much rather be uber dmg on single uber mobs..     e) Moderate dmg bow attack(s) nothing to make the rangers cry but something to burn power on for ranged fights.     f) Upgraded hidden attack.  highest dmg of all our attacks.  Keep it on a 30sec timer. (only if 4.c gets put in also) 2) Agro managment!     a) Upgrade to Self preservation.  I want to see it proc a lot more and have a much larger reduce in hate.  and get rid of the -haste on it     b) upgrade to all of our hate reducing abilities.     c) High refresh ability that moves you down the hate list by 10 or more places.  Something that can be used say in the middle of a fight to drop us down the list.     d) Very high refresh lose all agro ability (i.e. escape from eq1 rogue's) 3) Debuffs     a) upgrade to Debilitate <3     b) int/wis debuffer     c) Snare single/encounter versions     d) str/sta debuffer 4) Buffs     a) Long lasting (15-30mins) haste buff.  Also have it increase our proc rate for spells and weapons.     b) Short duration DMG increase buff.  something that will effect CA's as well as auto attack.  25% increase for a minute. high refresh on this.         Can also make it a longer lasting buff but have it increase the refresh times on all CA's used while this buff is active.     c) Poison resist buff.  Well maybe not buff but something that increases out poison resist.  Lots of rogues/assassins will create a tollerance to their own poisons and           most other poisons also...(kinda a half thought out idea here) 5) Utility     a) New versions of group/personal sneak.  keep in the FD on the personal sneak atleast.. i love it soooo much. very handy to have =p     c) Instant casting lower lvl sneak to make our hidden attacks worth while.    6) Misc info     a) increase brigand/swash dps     b) class specific items/weapons     c) customizeable procs maybe?     d) NEW POISONS!!!     <div></div><p>Message Edited by kythik on <span class=date_text>06-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:40 AM</span>

[pirateracer]

<DIV>As a brigand, moves I'd like to see i the future would include as follows:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>RUSE 2 because the old one is awesome, but when you start fighting 50+ monsters it would be nice to have a higher damage version</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PICK POCKET, a chance to steal items or cash from an NPC during combat</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>HASTY RETREAT, a solo version of escape that has a faster cast time and puts you into a stealth mode when you appear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BARRAGE OF DAGGERS, a multiple medium damage skill that lowers a enemy's piercing  & poison resistance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>GAPPING WOUND, a high damage attack that lowers the attack ability of the enemy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>